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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: He could have recognized Donbas and sent in peacekeepers without the massive invasion force. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Sorry if it's been discussed already, this thread moves fast. I'm thinking this MAY have been his intention all along, and the threat of invasion was to make this "small" grab more palatable to the world. But who knows, he's obviously in a great position to invade the rest of Ukraine if he wants to. He could have recognized Donbas and sent in peacekeepers without the massive invasion force. He could have, but he's also paranoid. Not saying this is the case, just a possibility. |
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Thank you! And thanks to all who hate Russian propaganda! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By Third_Rail: Absolutely. BerettaGuy: I think you're doing a great job with it. Ignore the naysayers. Thank you! And thanks to all who hate Russian propaganda! I grew up with it. There's little I hate more. |
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Under Biden, Americans Tell NBC Rising Gas Prices Are “Already Expensive & Now It’s Outrageous” |
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Originally Posted By whollyshite: Like what? I went to his twitter feed and the first thing I noticed was the comparatively small amount of posts on Ukraine versus Canada or covid. Those seem to be more important to him. I don't disagree with that at all. What's happening in Canada has , at a minimum, as much impact as a Russian invasion of Ukraine to America, if not more. That's our back yard, and may be spilling into the US. I did see multiple posts going after the US and European admins for drumming up missed invasion times, and hypocrisy with Libya and other countries. None of that is false. You're gonna have to show me the "Russian propaganda" that he's been saying, because I'm not seeing it. Calling out our leadership for gaslighting and misdirection is not Russian propaganda. View Quote It’s possible to criticize the shit Biden foreign and domestic policies and not be parroting RU propaganda. Sometimes things just intersect by themselves. |
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A little timeline.
Kiev, in fact, is already conducting military operations in the Donbass, brazenly and with impunity, said Deputy Defense Minister Pankov at a meeting of the Federation Council ⚡️Russia will take all available measures to eliminate the threat to peace in Donbass, said Deputy Defense Minister Pankov -Zvezdanews View Quote
The russian SM channels are reporting this to mean in connection of the situation in Donbass. And will be peacekeeping forces per Matvienko.
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Germany's Scholz Halts Certification of Nord Stream 2 Pipeline
Germany's Scholz Halts Certification of Nord Stream 2 Pipeline |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: Lots of conservative Americans like Putin over other(liberal) Americans because of Putins conservative tough guy personna. It was fairly recently when Putin said that America is losing it's culture to liberals. Putin knows what he is doing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: If you look at Paul Joseph Watson’s Tweets, they are comical regurgitation of Russian propaganda, and more important, he parrots those very same points that all the “Join Date, Post Count” folks that show up here seem to love. Lots of conservative Americans like Putin over other(liberal) Americans because of Putins conservative tough guy personna. It was fairly recently when Putin said that America is losing it's culture to liberals. Putin knows what he is doing. None that have any knowledge of recent (~75 years) history. And I would use the word "some" and not "lots" as an accurate description. You can also say that "some" Americans believe about any subject. With that said, our leadership is in shambles. We're constantly fed garbage by the fifth column of MSM, and "conservatives" are constantly attacked by Washington. That breeds mistrust, for good reason. If you want to blame anyone, blame DC (notice that I didn't differentiate strictly by Democrat or Republican) and the media. They're fueling this fire, and it's on purpose. |
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"The beatings will continue until morale improves." - Youknowwho
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: BREAKING: #RUSSIA'S UPPER HOUSE OF PARLIAMENT VOTES IN FAVOUR OF GIVING PUTIN FORMAL AUTHORITY TO DEPLOY RUSSIA'S ARMED FORCES ABROAD Fuck View Quote I knew it would escalate. I hope it stops. Are there any details? I heard talk of Cuba and Venezuela yesterday, possibly Nicaragua. Putin has been working/funding those countries for over a decade and has alluded to putting Russian bases there as far back as 2009. Is anyone (or website) tracking Russian subs near our coastline? There a ton of articles but if there was one site that would be great. Clinton pulled our sub hunters from 250 miles out back to 50 miles out, as far as I know no president has put them back out. And we have no civil defense program since Carter scuttled it (along with stopping AWAC flights near Cuba, and giving away the Panama Canal...). Even with many serious threats from China, Russia, North Korea, no president in modern times has bothered to do jack shit to encourage civil defense, but shelters have been modernized/updated and built for politicians - screw the pee ons. |
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: I knew it would escalate. I hope it stops. Are there any details? I heard talk of Cuba and Venezuela yesterday, possibly Nicaragua. Putin has been working/funding those countries for over a decade and has alluded to putting Russian bases there as far back as 2009. Is anyone (or website) tracking Russian subs near our coastline? There a ton of articles but if there was one site that would be great. Clinton pulled our sub hunters from 250 miles out back to 50 miles out, as far as I know no president has put them back out. And we have no civil defense program since Carter scuttled it (along with stopping AWAC flights near Cuba, and giving away the Panama Canal...). Even with many serious threats from China, Russia, North Korea, no president in modern times has bothered to do jack shit to encourage civil defense, but shelters have been modernized/updated and built for politicians - screw the pee ons. View Quote None yet officially |
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Originally Posted By atavistic: Are sanctions...imminent? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By atavistic: Originally Posted By TallyGator: US Principal Deputy National Security Advisor just labeled the Russian actions an “invasion” and said more US sanctions will be coming in an interview. Are sanctions...imminent? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: It’s possible to criticize the shit Biden foreign and domestic policies and not be parroting RU propaganda. Sometimes things just intersect by themselves. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Originally Posted By whollyshite: Like what? I went to his twitter feed and the first thing I noticed was the comparatively small amount of posts on Ukraine versus Canada or covid. Those seem to be more important to him. I don't disagree with that at all. What's happening in Canada has , at a minimum, as much impact as a Russian invasion of Ukraine to America, if not more. That's our back yard, and may be spilling into the US. I did see multiple posts going after the US and European admins for drumming up missed invasion times, and hypocrisy with Libya and other countries. None of that is false. You're gonna have to show me the "Russian propaganda" that he's been saying, because I'm not seeing it. Calling out our leadership for gaslighting and misdirection is not Russian propaganda. It’s possible to criticize the shit Biden foreign and domestic policies and not be parroting RU propaganda. Sometimes things just intersect by themselves. Absolutely. As an example for me, I grew up during the end of the cold war. I have honestly been raised to have a healthy distrust of Russia, which I still have. I think Putin is a soft dictator and a murderer. He is in no way a friend or ally of anyone in the West. I also believe it's in the US President's, as well as many Western leaders', best interests to deflect attention from current domestic and "Western nations'" events and toward Russia. I also realize that the media and elite want this deflection, and will work towards it. All of that can be true at the same time. |
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"The beatings will continue until morale improves." - Youknowwho
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Biden is set to announce new sanctions today at 2pm.
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Originally Posted By whollyshite: None that have any knowledge of recent (~75 years) history. And I would use the word "some" and not "lots" as an accurate description. You can also say that "some" Americans believe about any subject. With that said, our leadership is in shambles. We're constantly fed garbage by the fifth column of MSM, and "conservatives" are constantly attacked by Washington. That breeds mistrust, for good reason. If you want to blame anyone, blame DC (notice that I didn't differentiate strictly by Democrat or Republican) and the media. They're fueling this fire, and it's on purpose. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By whollyshite: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: If you look at Paul Joseph Watson’s Tweets, they are comical regurgitation of Russian propaganda, and more important, he parrots those very same points that all the “Join Date, Post Count” folks that show up here seem to love. Lots of conservative Americans like Putin over other(liberal) Americans because of Putins conservative tough guy personna. It was fairly recently when Putin said that America is losing it's culture to liberals. Putin knows what he is doing. None that have any knowledge of recent (~75 years) history. And I would use the word "some" and not "lots" as an accurate description. You can also say that "some" Americans believe about any subject. With that said, our leadership is in shambles. We're constantly fed garbage by the fifth column of MSM, and "conservatives" are constantly attacked by Washington. That breeds mistrust, for good reason. If you want to blame anyone, blame DC (notice that I didn't differentiate strictly by Democrat or Republican) and the media. They're fueling this fire, and it's on purpose. One can dislike Putin, and still recognize the West is led by feckless idiots. |
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"Aftermath"
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Originally Posted By New2AR15s: The rest of the world recognizing those regions would be predicated on an agreeement about Ukrain joining NATO. The logic (or lack thereof) would be to cut your losses and reinforce the rest. Russia wanted a buffer, they have their buffer in the new Republics they just recognized. Problem with buffers is once you control the buffer state you get to complain theres no longer a buffer. And the idea that Ukraine is going provoke anything from Russia is getting old. You dont have to provoke a bully to hit you, theyre gonna do it anyway. Sometimes its best to be decisive and commit to action. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By New2AR15s: Originally Posted By TallyGator: Originally Posted By New2AR15s: Is it not possible for Ukraine to cede the regions Russia is taking and then join NATO as part of that deal? Officially recognize them as lost and try and defend what is left if (hahahaha) Russia were to push forward further? FWIW i think this is a bad course of action, but thinking of the possibilities. Potentially, but I'm not sure anyone in the world wants to join Russia in recognizing the provinces as not being part of Ukraine, and there would be a whole lot of handwringing about Russia viewing the extension of NATO membership to Ukraine as provocation. The rest of the world recognizing those regions would be predicated on an agreeement about Ukrain joining NATO. The logic (or lack thereof) would be to cut your losses and reinforce the rest. Russia wanted a buffer, they have their buffer in the new Republics they just recognized. Problem with buffers is once you control the buffer state you get to complain theres no longer a buffer. And the idea that Ukraine is going provoke anything from Russia is getting old. You dont have to provoke a bully to hit you, theyre gonna do it anyway. Sometimes its best to be decisive and commit to action. They don't want Ukraine in NATO because they don't want NATO on their border. But, if they take Ukraine, they have NATO on their border. |
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16.16 JAKE 21 WC-135W 61-2667 rtb to Mildenhall Squawking 7700 declaring an emergency with Hydraulic failure working Swan Mil 259.600
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
"Aftermath"
https://i.imgur.com/aa7tE3t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dIq2jh9.jpg View Quote Convenient that wargonzo is nearby to take photos. Might as well be RT news. |
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Convenient that wargonzo is nearby to take photos. Might as well be RT news. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
"Aftermath"
https://i.imgur.com/aa7tE3t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dIq2jh9.jpg Convenient that wargonzo is nearby to take photos. Might as well be RT news. I just had that exact thought. |
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Not looking good Seems that they are going after the claimed territories at minimum. View Quote They're going after Donbass. Russian SM channels are say Mariupol soon. |
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
"Aftermath"
https://i.imgur.com/aa7tE3t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dIq2jh9.jpg View Quote Those pictures make it look like it got shot up and lit on fire. Where was the "explosion"? |
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Lighten up, Francis.
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
"Aftermath"
https://i.imgur.com/aa7tE3t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dIq2jh9.jpg View Quote Ummm, it looks like those bullet holes are coming from the outside going into the vehicle... |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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It seems strange that there isn't tons of video of Russian troops in Ukraine like there was in 2014. Back then all of the networks were showing video of "unidentified gunmen" (Russian soldiers in debadged uniforms) with Russian army hardware, moving against govt buildings
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Not looking good Seems that they are going after the claimed territories at minimum. View Quote Realistically, I've thought that's Putin's only "win" in this mess. He does something, but not any real escalation of war or strategy. This has always been his end game. Eventually, he'll want that territory to be completely part of Russia. He's already spent tons of money and resources placing 150,000 troops around Ukraine, so if he backs out with nothing, then he looks like a pussy and has provided good intel to his enemies. If he truly invades, then it's even worse. They'll eventually take "control" of a large portion of Ukraine, but at what cost? It could mean a lot of body bags for him simply taking the country. Holding the country could be exponentially worse, as I would think that the insurgent war could be even worse than Iraq and Afghanistan. And with all of that, what does he really get? Land for his pipelines and some farms? Then, if real sanctions are passed, then that just makes it worse for himself, his oligarch buddies, and his country, on top of them burying their sons and brothers. |
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Convenient that wargonzo is nearby to take photos. Might as well be RT news. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
"Aftermath"
https://i.imgur.com/aa7tE3t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dIq2jh9.jpg Convenient that wargonzo is nearby to take photos. Might as well be RT news. lol I know right. |
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
"Aftermath"
https://i.imgur.com/aa7tE3t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dIq2jh9.jpg View Quote "It just exploded" "What about all the bullet holes in the car?" "It just exploded" |
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Originally Posted By whollyshite: Like what? I went to his twitter feed and the first thing I noticed was the comparatively small amount of posts on Ukraine versus Canada or covid. Those seem to be more important to him. I don't disagree with that at all. What's happening in Canada has , at a minimum, as much impact as a Russian invasion of Ukraine to America, if not more. That's our back yard, and may be spilling into the US. I did see multiple posts going after the US and European admins for drumming up missed invasion times, and hypocrisy with Libya and other countries. None of that is false. You're gonna have to show me the "Russian propaganda" that he's been saying, because I'm not seeing it. Calling out our leadership for gaslighting and misdirection is not Russian propaganda. View Quote You’re right. He doesn’t say much about Ukraine today, other than the typical, why should I care” stuff we hear from others.., All his messaging mirrors what we see from the others. |
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"... I can't look at hovels and I can't stand fences..."
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Those pictures make it look like it got shot up and lit on fire. Where was the "explosion"? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
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https://i.imgur.com/aa7tE3t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dIq2jh9.jpg Those pictures make it look like it got shot up and lit on fire. Where was the "explosion"? Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
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https://i.imgur.com/aa7tE3t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dIq2jh9.jpg Ummm, it looks like those bullet holes are coming from the outside going into the vehicle... Hey hey! Don't question the narrative glorious russian media gave us. |
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
View Quote That dude is a warrior. Hope he survives this. |
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: It’s possible to criticize the shit Biden foreign and domestic policies and not be parroting RU propaganda. Sometimes things just intersect by themselves. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Originally Posted By whollyshite: Like what? I went to his twitter feed and the first thing I noticed was the comparatively small amount of posts on Ukraine versus Canada or covid. Those seem to be more important to him. I don't disagree with that at all. What's happening in Canada has , at a minimum, as much impact as a Russian invasion of Ukraine to America, if not more. That's our back yard, and may be spilling into the US. I did see multiple posts going after the US and European admins for drumming up missed invasion times, and hypocrisy with Libya and other countries. None of that is false. You're gonna have to show me the "Russian propaganda" that he's been saying, because I'm not seeing it. Calling out our leadership for gaslighting and misdirection is not Russian propaganda. It’s possible to criticize the shit Biden foreign and domestic policies and not be parroting RU propaganda. Sometimes things just intersect by themselves. That’s correct. Russian bots like to push messages that criticize our lack of border security (“Biden cares more about the border of Ukraine…”), the West’s transgender problems and how Putin hates trannies, and all the things we love to nod our heads about. Then they sneak in messages that furthers their agenda. This has gone on for 50 years. They used to target our Left. Now they target both our Left and our Right, but with different messages. If anyone EVER says “Globohomo,” they are a stooge or and idiot. |
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"... I can't look at hovels and I can't stand fences..."
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Putin asked "if we can still be on the side of good if we resolve things with force" replies: "Should good forces be helpless or defenceless? Good forces should be able to defend themselves."
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Originally Posted By whollyshite: Absolutely. As an example for me, I grew up during the end of the cold war. I have honestly been raised to have a healthy distrust of Russia, which I still have. I think Putin is a soft dictator and a murderer. He is in no way a friend or ally of anyone in the West. I also believe it's in the US President's, as well as many Western leaders', best interests to deflect attention from current domestic and "Western nations'" events and toward Russia. I also realize that the media and elite want this deflection, and will work towards it. All of that can be true at the same time. View Quote Yes, I feel the same as you. I am not sure why certain individuals feel the need to call anyone who questions our own government as Russian propagandists. Sure, there have been several of those in this thread and it was obvious who they are. But there are others who simply have expressed distrust for both our government and Russia. Seems this issue could splinter conservatives because you have those who believe the narrative Russia is just defending itself and harmlessly moving troops within its own borders. Then you have others who believe Russia can never say anything true and agreeing with anything they say about the US government means you are a Russian agent. I fall somewhere in between. I believe Putin is evil and plans on taking Ukraine and potentially other Eastern European nations. I also believe our government is corrupt and using this opportunity to distract from domestic issues and the Covid narrative collapsing. Russia isn't wrong when they say the US is trying to escalate this war. But they also conveniently leave out they want this war too and that they are the ones starting the whole thing. Both our government and Russia are bad. We should be able to agree on that. At least as conservatives. Liberals will probably just believe whatever they are told by the MSM. |
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Originally Posted By whollyshite: Like what? I went to his twitter feed and the first thing I noticed was the comparatively small amount of posts on Ukraine versus Canada or covid. Those seem to be more important to him. I don't disagree with that at all. What's happening in Canada has , at a minimum, as much impact as a Russian invasion of Ukraine to America, if not more. That's our back yard, and may be spilling into the US. I did see multiple posts going after the US and European admins for drumming up missed invasion times, and hypocrisy with Libya and other countries. None of that is false. You're gonna have to show me the "Russian propaganda" that he's been saying, because I'm not seeing it. Calling out our leadership for gaslighting and misdirection is not Russian propaganda. View Quote LOL! There is so much going back to the Russian invasion of Georgia but here is a taste: Paul Craig Roberts [BIGTIME Russian apoligist and Ukraine hater] discusses ISIS+Ukraine with Alex Jones 9 2 2014 Failed To Load Title Just posted the other day (from Alex's favorite foreign news source) https://www.infowars.com/posts/mobilization-ordered-in-eastern-ukraine/ https://www.infowars.com/posts/putin-ukraine-has-become-a-puppet-regime-of-nato-the-west/ - Holy crap, read this article and watch Alex Jones' commentary video about Putin's speech : " to watch anyone [Putin] speak the truth at that level is powerful" - Alexi Joneskov He has dozens and dozens of videos for almost 14 years promoting Kremlin talking points and defending Putin. There are over 1,000 RT News articles posted on his websites. You do know how to do an internet search don't you? |
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