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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Are you claiming that sainz has been more successful than Leclerc for as long as they have been team mates ? And this "despite" leclerc black cloud following him around ? The answer can be found in their respective results. Carlos is clearly not the better driver of the two. Thanks for making my point. And this has nothing to do with an "excuse" To claim sainz is the better driver based on the race this Saturday is , at best, retarded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Originally Posted By Cypher214: It's always something. "Without the braking issue" "Without the tow" "Without the tire deg" "Without that spin in turn 4" "Without the broken gearbox" "Without the failing power unit" "Without Charles' upset tummy" "Without the botched pit stop" "Without that lizard on the track" Charles is the best driver who ever lived if only he didn't have to deal with the same things every other driver deals with. The excuses are why people make fun of you because no driver will ever have perfectly flawless conditions surrounding their season but some still find a way to win. Are you claiming that sainz has been more successful than Leclerc for as long as they have been team mates ? And this "despite" leclerc black cloud following him around ? The answer can be found in their respective results. Carlos is clearly not the better driver of the two. Thanks for making my point. And this has nothing to do with an "excuse" To claim sainz is the better driver based on the race this Saturday is , at best, retarded. That's not what I said. I said you ALWAYS have some excuse for why Charles isn't dominating. You are somehow convinced he is the best driver on the grid and it's only (insert today's excuse) that kept him from winning. It's amazing how "bad luck" is only affecting LeClerc and all other drivers are immune to it. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:45:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: That's not what I said. I said you ALWAYS have some excuse for why Charles isn't dominating. You are somehow convinced he is the best driver on the grid and it's only (insert today's excuse) that kept him from winning. It's amazing how "bad luck" is only affecting LeClerc and all other drivers are immune to it. Strawman. I have never argued this, neither today neither before. I even stated before that overall max is clearly the best driver while Charles might be the better qualifier of the 2 but less reliable. Points, podiums, victories, leclerc is leading Carlos on all fronts. To claim Ferrari is getting rid of the worse of the two is simply factually wrong, even though I am not happy to see Carlos going at all. And to not recognize that Leclerc has been particularly unlucky these last few years compared to others) is also in bad faith. When the medias and business are suggesting him to go to Lourdes, there is a fucking reason. They don’t say that about George or lando, max or Lewis, do they ? I wonder why He clearly has made mistakes too, but then there is everything else https://lastwordonsports.com/motorsports/2023/11/14/charles-leclercs-long-history-of-bad-luck/ And Saturday was another notch |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:46:28 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: Somebody really has it out for F1 this year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By fike: Another day, another story.
A whistleblower has told the FIA that Ben Sulayem allegedly intervened to overturn a penalty given to Aston Martin's Fernando Alonso at the 2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix. Somebody really has it out for F1 this year. The drama is fun, but too much is damaging to the sport. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:53:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: danpass]
[#4]
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POS TEAM PTS 1 RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT 44 2 FERRARI 27 3 MERCEDES 16 4 MCLAREN MERCEDES 12 Crazy how a 1-2 finish is 59% more points than 3-4 finish (63% more when you add in the fastest lap point) If a Ferrari got the fastest lap then 1-2 would still be 54% more points - |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:55:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: All of this started after the Andretti bid was rejected by the FIA!  /s I’m going with this - i want to believe 😁 |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:56:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: CONSTRUCTORS POS TEAM PTS 1 RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT 44 2 FERRARI 27 3 MERCEDES 16 4 MCLAREN MERCEDES 12 Crazy how a 1-2 finish is 59% more points than 3-4 finish (63% more when you add in the fastest lap point) If a Ferrari got the fastest lap then 1-2 would still be 54% more points - Honestly that’s good. I prefered the old points system though. 12-8-6 -4 rather than 25-18-15-12 Victory should always come with a significant premium |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:57:32 PM EDT
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The off track drama this year is absolutely next level. Now the talk of Horner trying to buy out the Red Bull team with a bunch of British money.
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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:57:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Janus]
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Posted: 3/4/2024 12:58:42 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Janus: [tweet]https://twitter.com/RocketPMohawk/status/1764688287745085655?s=20[/tweet] His current contract runs through 2028... Maybe there is a horner clause |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 1:04:54 PM EDT
[#10]
I'd be totally cool with Verstappen to mercedes and Alonso to red bull. Somebody make this happen!
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Posted: 3/4/2024 1:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m_lowlander: I think CH is going to get booted. More crap is being slung and its snowballing in the European news cycle. Not sure he survives this... Honestly if he gets booted I would be off the RB bandwagon as should a lot of people. It would mean that RBR is putting some never was wanker, upset over having sloppy seconds, utlizing his kids success, over an unbeatable. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Oh… You just learning today that he’s a psychopath. A lot of people knew this. Also look up the story about how he left Max at a gas station when he came in second in a race. The guy is a psychopath who groomed and raised a half psychopath. Half a psychopath? Bud you need to fuck off from this thread. Literally you are toxic and thats a lot coming from me. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:19:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Oh… You just learning today that he’s a psychopath. A lot of people knew this. Also look up the story about how he left Max at a gas station when he came in second in a race. The guy is a psychopath who groomed and raised a half psychopath. I knew about him leaving Max, but was totally unaware on the amount of violent events the man has had over the years. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:26:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: warp_foo]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: CONSTRUCTORS POS TEAM PTS 1 RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT 44 2 FERRARI 27 3 MERCEDES 16 4 MCLAREN MERCEDES 12 Crazy how a 1-2 finish is 59% more points than 3-4 finish (63% more when you add in the fastest lap point) If a Ferrari got the fastest lap then 1-2 would still be 54% more points -  m |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:32:25 PM EDT
[#15]
I don't understand how Jos has any pull with the team. Is there some reason RBR and Max can't just tell him to fuck off?
He brings nothing to the sport besides being an asshole dad that caused Max to drive with a chip on his shoulder. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:32:50 PM EDT
[#16]
I'm more of a MotoGP fan, but this race looked like last year. Other than the Yuki divebombing his teammate fiasco.
The RedBull car seems settled, don't move much. Again, just how I saw it. I don't need anyone swinging purses at me. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:40:33 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Half a psychopath? Bud you need to fuck off from this thread. Literally you are toxic and thats a lot coming from me. Hahha one gotta admit. Vertappen is socially “special” (In a “I kinda like it” kind of way though) |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:41:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warp_foo: I'm talking Ferrari's points after the first race as a sign. m Expand ? |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:42:06 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: I don't understand how Jos has any pull with the team. Is there some reason RBR and Max can't just tell him to fuck off? He brings nothing to the sport besides being an asshole dad that caused Max to drive with a chip on his shoulder. Jos is prolly the cause max is such a Great driver though. For good or bad. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:45:56 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Expand ?  |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:48:13 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Expand ? However, they never won a championship with those numbers, so probably not the best sign.
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:52:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Jos is prolly the cause max is such a Great driver though. For good or bad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Originally Posted By Cypher214: I don't understand how Jos has any pull with the team. Is there some reason RBR and Max can't just tell him to fuck off? He brings nothing to the sport besides being an asshole dad that caused Max to drive with a chip on his shoulder. Jos is prolly the cause max is such a Great driver though. For good or bad. Yeah, that's what I meant by "chip on his shoulder." A lot of greats are great because they had a dad who should have been a better dad. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 3:35:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: The off track drama this year is absolutely next level. Now the talk of Horner trying to buy out the Red Bull team with a bunch of British money. That’s pretty messed up if you’re buying the team just to keep your job. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 3:37:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warp_foo: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/88/c1/9d/88c19d91689a1c9bd05fc029ad0fa2c0.jpg Gotcha |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 3:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Janus: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/713/Screenshot_2024-03-04_110144_png-3149057.JPG His current contract runs through 2028... So what? There are always out clauses, and even if there isn’t one, the other team would just buy out the contract. I don’t think a signed contract has ever stopped anyone from swapping teams if the person really wants to go, and the other team is willing to do whatever it takes to get that driver. Everything is negotiable. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 3:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: I don't understand how Jos has any pull with the team. Is there some reason RBR and Max can't just tell him to fuck off? He brings nothing to the sport besides being an asshole dad that caused Max to drive with a chip on his shoulder. RBR won’t say anything because they want to keep Max happy, but if Max tells dad to fuck off, that’s it. Game over for Jos. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 3:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: RBR won’t say anything because they want to keep Max happy, but if Max tells dad to fuck off, that’s it. Game over for Jos. I honestly don’t see that happening But I have been wrong before |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 3:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: That’s pretty messed up if you’re buying the team just to keep your job. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By Mars87: The off track drama this year is absolutely next level. Now the talk of Horner trying to buy out the Red Bull team with a bunch of British money. That’s pretty messed up if you’re buying the team just to keep your job. Or tired of the BS and lack of a spine and willing to put your money where your mouth is. I won’t hold my breath for Christian to buy the Redbull F1 team but it would be something to see. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 3:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Jos is prolly the cause max is such a Great driver though. For good or bad. I wonder what his problem with Horner is. It's not like Jos is some bastion of morals looking down on Horner's [alledged] attempts to cheat on his wife. So what else has Horner done behind the scenes that Jos is not liking? |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:00:08 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: I wonder what his problem with Horner is. It's not like Jos is some bastion of morals looking down on Horner's [alledged] attempts to cheat on his wife. So what else has Horner done behind the scenes that Jos is not liking? Maybe he told Jos to keep his $$$ request quiet, since 3 or 4 other drivers could win the champ for him in the RB-20 or RB-21. I suspect Jos came to horner after he saw Lewis new fancy contract. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drewptwo: I knew about him leaving Max, but was totally unaware on the amount of violent events the man has had over the years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drewptwo: Originally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Oh… You just learning today that he’s a psychopath. A lot of people knew this. Also look up the story about how he left Max at a gas station when he came in second in a race. The guy is a psychopath who groomed and raised a half psychopath. I knew about him leaving Max, but was totally unaware on the amount of violent events the man has had over the years. It's pretty funny Jos is pulling a whole "Horner was a bad man over text messages!" when that's literally what made Jos a convicted criminal. In December 2008, with the couple effectively separated, Verstappen appeared in court in Tongeren, Belgium, charged with assaulting his wife, Sophie Kumpen.[35] He was found not guilty of assault, but guilty of threatening Kumpen in text messages and of violating a previously issued restraining order. He was fined and sentenced to three months probational, suspended prison sentence And that's Max's mom. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:16:04 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: The drama is fun, but too much is damaging to the sport. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By fike: Another day, another story.
A whistleblower has told the FIA that Ben Sulayem allegedly intervened to overturn a penalty given to Aston Martin's Fernando Alonso at the 2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix. Somebody really has it out for F1 this year. The drama is fun, but too much is damaging to the sport. Fact |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:20:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Janus: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/713/Screenshot_2024-03-04_110144_png-3149057.JPG His current contract runs through 2028... God I can't wait for all the Lewis fans to fuck off and die. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:26:11 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Jos is prolly the cause max is such a Great driver though. For good or bad. Ya like Tigers dad was a dick to him. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:27:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: I wonder what his problem with Horner is. It's not like Jos is some bastion of morals looking down on Horner's [alledged] attempts to cheat on his wife. So what else has Horner done behind the scenes that Jos is not liking? A key here is...is he actually cheating? What if Jerri and Christian have a "open" marriage. I mean at that level its not a unheard of thing. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:33:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: A key here is...is he actually cheating? What if Jerri and Christian have a "open" marriage. I mean at that level its not a unheard of thing. I think the (note that I say the angle and not my angle) angle here is that it’s a boss / employee thing. Which is frowned upon in this great year 2024 Not that he could be a swinger.. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: I think he's referring to 27/28 being long time historical race numbers for Ferrari. However, they never won a championship with those numbers, so probably not the best sign. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: Originally Posted By Shung: Expand ? However, they never won a championship with those numbers, so probably not the best sign. m |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:39:57 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: I think the (note that I say the angle and not my angle) angle here is that it’s a boss / employee thing. Which is frowned upon in this great year 2024 Not that he could be a swinger.. I mean...if you are the boss who makes the rules :) People need to care about their own shit vs who is pile driving the paddock bunny. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:57:41 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: I don't understand how Jos has any pull with the team. Is there some reason RBR and Max can't just tell him to fuck off? He brings nothing to the sport besides being an asshole dad that caused Max to drive with a chip on his shoulder. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:59:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryContracts are made to be broken. I believe his contract included an exit clause after 3 years IIRC. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 5:04:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shadow_Dancer]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Half a psychopath? Bud you need to fuck off from this thread. Literally you are toxic and thats a lot coming from me. Listening to a guy with the screen name of "Poison" call me toxic is the height of abject irony or stu... Maybe both? Chucklehead, no one cares about your puff our your chest bravado. For the avoidance of doubt; any driver admitting they are taking people out on the track and literally has to resolve to their team Principle apologizing for their driver's action is a freaking half-a-psychopath. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 5:08:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drewptwo: I knew about him leaving Max, but was totally unaware on the amount of violent events the man has had over the years. Yep. The guy is a douche of a Dad and doubled douche of a Human. I seriously do not understand why RBR lets Jos come within 100 meters of their operation, let alone inside the garage. If I wear Team Principle, I would have iced his behind so fast. I'm not going to manage the relationship between someone under my employ and their damn Father. Your Father doesn't work for me and is not beholden to anything, and vice versa. Go have a nice time in the Team Hospitality trailer, Pops. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 5:12:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: God I can't wait for all the Lewis fans to fuck off and die. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Originally Posted By Janus: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/713/Screenshot_2024-03-04_110144_png-3149057.JPG His current contract runs through 2028... God I can't wait for all the Lewis fans to fuck off and die. I can't wait until people choose who they like based on something other than how much they hate another driver. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 5:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: I can't wait until people choose who they like based on something other than how much they hate another driver. Supporting drivers is gay. Drivers are just another car part ! |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 5:21:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sierra5]
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Posted: 3/4/2024 5:22:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Supporting drivers is gay. Drivers are just another car part ! Enzo Ferrari, is that you?! Man, I thought you were dead for decades. What have you been up to, chief? |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 6:52:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: poison123]
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Posted: 3/4/2024 6:59:27 PM EDT
[#48]
We’re only one race in and people are losing their minds. And nothing crazy on track has happened.
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Posted: 3/4/2024 7:02:23 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87:We’re only one race in and people are losing their minds. And nothing crazy on track has happened. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/jerryPopcorn-685.gif I’m not sure which has a higher level of drama; this thread or the off track shenanigans at Red Bull…. 
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Posted: 3/4/2024 7:04:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: I’m not sure which has a higher level of drama; this thread or the off track shenanigans at Red Bull…. We just need something fucky to happen to Ferrari and Toto to really start shit stirring and the timeouts will start flowing.
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