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Posted: 11/19/2003 7:04:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2003 7:05:06 AM EST by AR_Shorty]
Weapons Lube Issued by Army May be Costing Lives in Iraq

(New York-WABC, November 18, 2003) — In a four-month investigation that reaches from the sands of Iraq to the halls of the Pentagon, we found that weapons given to tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers may not work in the desert. All because of a defective product.

And it could be putting American troops at risk. The Investigators' Jim Hoffer is here with his findings.

The key to surviving any war is to have a weapon that works. To that end a good, reliable gun lubricant is critical.

But our investigation has found that a lubricant supplied by the military may be actually causing guns to jam. What's worse, soldiers say they were blocked from getting a better lubricant at a time when they needed it the most.

A Purple Heart does little to heal the aching heart of a mother who's lost her son to war.

Arlene Walters, Mother: "He was conscientious about everything."

Sgt. Donald Walters was in the same convoy as Private Jessica Lynch when Iraqis ambushed it, killing Walters and 10 other soldiers. A Pentagon report on the attack shows that many of the soldiers could barely fight back because of multiple "weapons malfunctions."

Pfc. Jessica Lynch: "When we were told to lock and load. That's when my weapon jammed."

The report suggests their weapons failed perhaps because of "inadequate individual maintenance". In other words, the Army says that the soldiers may have neglected to clean their guns.

Arlene Walters: "That shouldn't happen to everybody. It seems that it's a fault of something that they are using not the fault of the soldier that he didn't clean the gun."

Ret. Lt. Col. Robert Kovacic, Firearms Trainer: "They would stop and jam."

Kovacic, a retired lieutenant colonel who trained thousands of soldiers for the Iraqi invasion, says this grieving mother's suspicions are right on target.

Ret. Lt. Col. Robert Kovacic: "Those weapons if properly lubricated will work better than anybody else's. But they have to be properly lubricated, CLP is not the proper lubrication."

Col. Kovacic contacted Eyewitness News outraged that the military was equipping soldiers with a government-issued lubricant known as CLP.

Ret. Lt. Col. Robert Kovacic: "It didn't work when I was a tank commander and it's not working now."

Eyewitness News obtained a copy of a general's "lessons learned" report which details weapons performance in Iraq. The report says soldiers repeatedly stated that "CLP was not a good choice for weapon's maintenance", claiming it "attracted sand to the weapon."

We heard similar complaints about the lubricant from some New Jersey Marine reservists back from Iraq:

Corporal Steven Gentle, Montclair NJ: "I used it as little as possible.

Jim Hoffer: "You used it as little as possible? Why?"

Corporal Steven Gentle: "Because the CLP attracted the sand. It made the sand stick to the weapon and clot up, causing the weapon to jam."

In telephone conversations and e-mails from soldiers we heard numerous complaints about CLP. One sergeant told me it is a commonly known fact that the military-issued gun lubricant doesn't work in the desert. We've learned that some soldiers have been so desperate for a lubricant that works they're writing their families for help.

Art Couchman, Father [reading from letter]: "'Dad, that Militec is working great!' ..."

Art Couchman sent his son, a soldier in Iraq, a commercial lubricant called Militec. A firearms trainer for police in New York, Couchman became quite concerned when his son told him that the military-issued lubricant attracted dirt and sand to his gun. That's when Couchman sent him bottles of Militec.

In a recent letter, his son thanks his dad for the shipment of Militec, calling the lube, "pretty amazing stuff."

Art Couchman: "I think it could probably save some lives if they had more of this stuff."

Even that "lessons learned" report put out by the Pentagon states that soldiers considered "Militec to be a much better solution for lubricating weapons" than the military's CLP.

And now many are questioning why just as the war began, the military cancelled all troop orders for Militec.

Brad Giordani, Militec: "They were unable to get the product after the orders were cancelled."

The commercial lubricant's inventor says he knows why. Because the military invested millions of dollars developing CLP, Brad Giordani says Army bureaucrats feared their product would be outshined.

Brad Giordani: "(The orders) were cancelled by civilians within the Defense Department that realized our orders were getting to be such large quantities that if they would have allowed these orders to go through we would now be the standard lubricant within the army."

The Army declined an interview but in a statement to U.S. admits that in the middle of the war, it stopped filling orders for Militec. It doesn't explain why.

The Army says Militec is now available, and further states that because of "mixed reports on the performance ... of lubricants" it plans to "rapidly evaluate ... and test" various products for possible future use.

Colonel Kovacic says Militec is already proven in desert combat. And as long as CLP remains the government product of choice, he says, then that's what most troops will get, leaving the better lube on the shelf and soldiers lives on the line.

Ret. Lt. Col. Robert Kovacic: "There's a better product. I say we give the kids the best we can give them. I'm telling you CLP is not the best weapons lubricant, they even said that in a report."

For nearly seven months, the military blocked soldier's orders for the rival Militec. Only in October, in the middle of our investigation, did the Army again begin to fill orders for Militec.

Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:12:16 AM EST
Hmm...and the argument against bayonets is that a stronger supply chain will keep up with ammo demands.
That kind of situation is why bayonets still exist.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:17:30 AM EST
I think somebody smarter than I should figure how and where we can start shipping cases of Militec over there courtesy of ArfCom. I'll kick some $ if somebody figures it out.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:22:24 AM EST
This article reads like an ad for Militec. Is it a real article?
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:29:48 AM EST
I have my soda, and popcorn.

I'm going to sit back and watch the shit storm.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:32:17 AM EST
Yeah, it's for real: abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/investigators/wabc_investigators_111803gunlube.html

I only found one hit on news.google.com when searching for "militec" so the story hasn't been picked up by any of the other new outlets yet.

Didn't we have this discussion shortly after the war started or am I having déjà vu?
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:50:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
Didn't we have this discussion shortly after the war started or am I having déjà vu?

Yes it was and, No your not.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:00:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2003 8:00:23 AM EST by Alien]
So, what do the Israeli's use?
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:01:59 AM EST
Yes, I remember this.

It reads WAY too much like a Militec ad. I'd be curious to find out who clued the media in on this 'problem.' Usually the media isn't so product savvy when it comes to military gear.

I would hope that Militec isn't using the publicity generated by the blood of US soldiers to sell their product...
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 3:55:09 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 4:28:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2003 4:33:39 PM EST by Searcherfortruth]
It's like deja vu all over again.

I have both lubricants. I will look for some sand, & use equal amounts of both on a couple of bolt carriers, & then put sand near them & see if it magiclay jumps onto the clp b/c. or if poured on both, doesn't stick equally as well to the Miltech. Give me a break. Oil is going to be sticky to some extent. In the Corps we had to know how much of a coating of clp to put on each area of our weapons. Camp Pendelton has to be as sandy & dusty as any desert around, & we didn't ever seem to have a problem in the feild with weapons welding them selves shut magically with the aid of sand. They could try a pereodic cleaning, & oh yeah, keep the dust cover closed when not firing the weapon.A mag in the mag well,& a balloon, over the muzzel, & I heard a nylon over the whole weapon works wonders in keeping SAND out of the action.
Are these stopages happening during combat in dust storms? or did I miss something.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 4:50:36 PM EST
Goddammit. Would somebody with a stock 20" AR-15 run a test with both lubes and make an article in the papers on which one worked better?

I'm getting tired of not knowing the truth. Are ALL these frigging Army troops just complacent with their basic weapon, or are the lubes bad?
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 5:04:04 PM EST
FWIW, and this is my opinion only, If I was assigned to a desert/ sand/dust AO, I would remove every trace of lubricant and take my chances with a totally dry, unlubricated weapon.

Generally speaking, combat is short, sharp and the average grunt doesn't fire a whole lot of rounds.Probably well under 100.

A well broken in M-16 ought to be able to handle that with few problems.

As for the wear and tear on a gov't issued piece from firing it dry?

Tango Sierra. If they want to take it out of my paycheck, fine. At least I'll be alive to pay for it.

Again, FWIW.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 6:08:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2003 6:15:34 PM EST by Corey]
I had the good fortune to go shooting with an E-4 just recently back from Iraq (this back in July).

He was in 3ID and was an infantryman. His unit had just gotten the M16A4 (M5RAS, M2, etc.) prior to the start of the war.

I asked him about the CLP issue. He said that he cleaned his weapon 2X's per day and used CLP. He had just gotten 14 new mags prior to deployment (but gave 7 to another soldier who didn't have new mags) and said if he used new mags, the rifle ran great. Even through the storm that preceded Private Lynch's capture. If his rifle was exceedingly dirty and needed for action, he'd squirt some CLP into the upper/bolt carrier and be good to go.

This young man went into Baghdad through the western airport and helped clear that entire compound. Then he went into Baghdad itself.

This young man has seen plenty of action and said that most of the rooms they cleared were so small only 1-2 soldiers could enter them. And the M855 was terribly devastating on enemy soldiers at these distances.

So, based on this firsthand information I'd say that this story is BS.

EDITED for a typo.
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