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Posted: 4/27/2014 6:42:28 AM EDT
I recently bought a sig sauer 1911 .22 from grabagun and when it showed up at my Maryland ffl dealer there was no shell case with the firearm. As you all know the great state of Maryland requires a casing with the handgun, so I am either going to have to find someone in MD that will fire it or send it back to G.a.g. Do any of you know which gun manufacturers provide a casing with a new gun, because I am interested in other handguns such as glock and rock island.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:45:21 AM EDT
You should just move to a free state.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:45:47 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:46:59 AM EDT
I got Maryland cases with the last three new handguns I have purchased.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:47:11 AM EDT
My last RIA did. Don't remember for Glock.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:48:22 AM EDT
What exactly is the purpose of having a fired shell casing?
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To waste a bunch of the taxpayers' money and help politicians pretend they care about the Children.



 
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:49:21 AM EDT
Bought a Glock  couple of years ago and had this envelope with a shell case with it.
Felt too dumb to ask what the hell this is for.

Figured it was something like the Sig targets you get in the case.
Yea Glock just showing you that it does fire.

Stupid me.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:49:29 AM EDT
I thought rimfire was exempted.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:51:38 AM EDT
Here's a similar thread with a lot of responses.



Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:53:28 AM EDT
My last several guns have had this casing.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:56:01 AM EDT
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Allegedly, your chamber and firing pin are unique to your gun. Three imprint made after firing it will thus also be unique. So if you leave casings behind at a crime scene, they can identify you...in theory.

Not sure how many cases have been solved in this manner. I'd guess a few at least...
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 6:59:08 AM EDT
O.P. A manufacturer in MD can fire a round from the gun and provide the shell casing to the MDSP in lue of sig doing it. Ask on MDShooters and they'll point you towards someone who can without having to send the gun back.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 7:00:50 AM EDT
Move to a free state.
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Brass whores.


That snarky little bastard that's always hovering around your bench at the shooting range, yeah...that guy.   He got a job with the state.
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supposedly so their CSI guys can match up casings found at crime scenes

NY finally scrapped their program after realizing it was costing millions of dollars and hadn't solved a single crime
I had to get casings for my single action revolver, like a criminal is going to leave casings behind if they use one of those in a crime

I'm glad ny finally killed the program, and think other states should too, but if they insist on doing it wouldn't a fired bullet with the rifling marks be worth more from an investigation standpoint?
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 9:10:54 AM EDT
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Considering they literally throw the casing in a 55 gallon drum in a shipping container in their crime lab parking lot as they don't have funds to record them...wasting your time and money is the purpose.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 9:16:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
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Stay in MD and fight for your Freedom.

Never give up, never compromise, never surrender.

If everyone moves to a Free State, MD wins.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 9:24:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FreeFloater:


Allegedly, your chamber and firing pin are unique to your gun. Three imprint made after firing it will thus also be unique. So if you leave casings behind at a crime scene, they can identify you...in theory.

Not sure how many cases have been solved in this manner. I'd guess a few at least...
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Originally Posted By FreeFloater:
Originally Posted By badeffect10:
What exactly is the purpose of having a fired shell casing?


Allegedly, your chamber and firing pin are unique to your gun. Three imprint made after firing it will thus also be unique. So if you leave casings behind at a crime scene, they can identify you...in theory.

Not sure how many cases have been solved in this manner. I'd guess a few at least...


Especially those cases that used a revolver, or stolen gun, or brass catcher, or gun with slide/barrel/ejector/extractor replaced...
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 9:28:16 AM EDT
Ok, OP, youve gotta learn, their (red) state, their rules.  Which means, if I lived in some fucked up place like that, I would bring my own spent shell casing with me every time to toss in if there isnt one there.

BOOM!  Mind blown!!!!!
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:01:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BladedRonin:
Ok, OP, youve gotta learn, their (red) state, their rules.  Which means, if I lived in some fucked up place like that, I would bring my own spent shell casing with me every time to toss in if there isnt one there.

BOOM!  Mind blown!!!!!
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Spent casing can only be supplied by a Manufacturer (07 iirc) FFL.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:12:36 AM EDT
MD admits it does not have the capability to process the casings. I last heard the machine had been broken for years. MD regulates handgun sales and does a very poor job of it causing delays and wasting more money then you can imagine. They have to continually reprint the forms because of stupid mistakes. The latest idiocy was just this week. the moron reviewing the forms could not read and was rejecting them all for not being filled out properly. It was her not being able to understand the wording of the question did not require a reply. I heard from a dealer the person has been relieved of her position but I doubt that is the case. They can't understand why we have a crime problem when they keep going after honest folks and let the criminals run the show.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:12:53 AM EDT
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Makes sense now:

New York General Business Law § 396-ff(2) requires any firearms manufacturer that ships, transports or delivers a handgun to any person in New York to include a separate sealed container with a shell casing of a bullet or projectile discharged from the handgun, along with additional information that identifies the handgun and shell casing.
A state-licensed gunsmith or firearms dealer must, within ten days of delivering a handgun received on or after March 1, 2001, forward to the Division of State Police the sealed container enclosing the shell casing from the handgun. Section 396-ff(5). The state police must enter the pertinent ballistic information into an automated electronic databank (the “Combined Ballistic Identification System” or “CoBIS”) designed to ensure compatibility with national ballistic technology. Section 396-ff(6).
For detailed information on CoBIS, see N.Y. Comp. Codes R. & Regs. tit. 9, § 472.1 et seq.
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Here, the spent casing goes to the purchaser.


MOAR
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Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

You should just move to a free state.






 
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:39:39 AM EDT
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You should just move to a free state.


 


Yes;  move to Texas.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:47:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mikebiker:
MD admits it does not have the capability to process the casings. I last heard the machine had been broken for years. MD regulates handgun sales and does a very poor job of it causing delays and wasting more money then you can imagine. They have to continually reprint the forms because of stupid mistakes. The latest idiocy was just this week. the moron reviewing the forms could not read and was rejecting them all for not being filled out properly. It was her not being able to understand the wording of the question did not require a reply. I heard from a dealer the person has been relieved of her position but I doubt that is the case. They can't understand why we have a crime problem when they keep going after honest folks and let the criminals run the show.
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The machine isn't just broken, the State Police sold the broken parts on eBay.

Kharn
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:50:58 AM EDT
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To waste a bunch of the taxpayers' money and help politicians pretend they care about the Children.
 
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Originally Posted By badeffect10:
What exactly is the purpose of having a fired shell casing?

To waste a bunch of the taxpayers' money and help politicians pretend they care about the Children.
 


In other words, it was intended to allow forensic identification of what firearm fired what casings found at a crime scene by allowing a match by firing pin strike.
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It was started by a bunch of retards that watched too many CSI shows and actually think they can solve a murder by matching up the fired cases at a crime scene.



 
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:54:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By underdogII:
Bought a Glock  couple of years ago and had this envelope with a shell case with it.
Felt too dumb to ask what the hell this is for.

Figured it was something like the Sig targets you get in the case.
Yea Glock just showing you that it does fire.

Stupid me.
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Glock always sends un-reloadable blaser cases.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:58:30 AM EDT
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Glock always sends un-reloadable blaser cases.
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Originally Posted By underdogII:
Bought a Glock  couple of years ago and had this envelope with a shell case with it.
Felt too dumb to ask what the hell this is for.

Figured it was something like the Sig targets you get in the case.
Yea Glock just showing you that it does fire.

Stupid me.


Glock always sends un-reloadable blaser cases.



Yup, aluminum cases.
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Considering they literally throw the casing in a 55 gallon drum in a shipping container in their crime lab parking lot as they don't have funds to record them...wasting your time and money is the purpose.
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Originally Posted By para_frame:
Originally Posted By badeffect10:
What exactly is the purpose of having a fired shell casing?


Considering they literally throw the casing in a 55 gallon drum in a shipping container in their crime lab parking lot as they don't have funds to record them...wasting your time and money is the purpose.

Doesn't everyone have a collection of random range pick up brass in a variety of calibers?

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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:00:05 AM EDT
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In other words, it was intended to allow forensic identification of what firearm fired what casings found at a crime scene by allowing a match by firing pin strike.
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Originally Posted By badeffect10:
What exactly is the purpose of having a fired shell casing?

To waste a bunch of the taxpayers' money and help politicians pretend they care about the Children.
 


In other words, it was intended to allow forensic identification of what firearm fired what casings found at a crime scene by allowing a match by firing pin strike.

I was talking to one of our crime lab guys and he mentioned having a hell of a time doing forensics on a recent officer involved shooting.

Seems at least 3 officers had to use their patrol rifles, and he couldn't match any of their fired cases to a particular rifle.
ARs are apparently so consistent that that type of forensics is impossible.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:19:29 AM EDT
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Stay in MD and fight for your Freedom.

Never give up, never compromise, never surrender.

If everyone moves to a Free State, MD wins.
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Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
You should just move to a free state.


Stay in MD and fight for your Freedom.

Never give up, never compromise, never surrender.

If everyone moves to a Free State, MD wins.

They already have won!!! MD is lost as are several other states. I could not live under the draconian rules that were levied against me. I fought against the laws and it just doesn't matter. no matter how the rest of the state votes, it is impossible to out vote the commies in Montgomery co and the dead people in Baltimore. I decided to escape while there was still a few places that were still free as this seemed like a better option than ending up in jail or dead.!
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:17:29 PM EDT
I received a casing in a signed envelope when I bought my XD. Was I supposed to send that in or something??
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I destroy mine.

Actually, sending in a flat rate box of junk brass might be funny.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:23:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By uxb:


Stay in MD and fight for your Freedom.

Never give up, never compromise, never surrender.

If everyone moves to a Free State, MD wins.
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Originally Posted By uxb:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
You should just move to a free state.


Stay in MD and fight for your Freedom.

Never give up, never compromise, never surrender.

If everyone moves to a Free State, MD wins.



I left MD for good nine days ago, and I've never felt more relaxed.

That fight has long been lost.

Now I'm here in GA, and I can cash and carry a Colt 6920 at Walmart.
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Originally Posted By FreeFloater:
Allegedly, your chamber and firing pin are unique to your gun. Three imprint made after firing it will thus also be unique. So if you leave casings behind at a crime scene, they can identify you...in theory.



Not sure how many cases have been solved in this manner. I'd guess a few at least...
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Originally Posted By badeffect10:

What exactly is the purpose of having a fired shell casing?




Allegedly, your chamber and firing pin are unique to your gun. Three imprint made after firing it will thus also be unique. So if you leave casings behind at a crime scene, they can identify you...in theory.



Not sure how many cases have been solved in this manner. I'd guess a few at least...
in md? zero.



 
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:31:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By eh1:
I recently bought a sig sauer 1911 .22 from grabagun and when it showed up at my Maryland ffl dealer there was no shell case with the firearm. As you all know the great state of Maryland requires a casing with the handgun, so I am either going to have to find someone in MD that will fire it or send it back to G.a.g. Do any of you know which gun manufacturers provide a casing with a new gun, because I am interested in other handguns such as glock and rock island.
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What dealer? They should be able to do it for you for a small fee.
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To make it more of a PITA to buy a gun in MD.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:37:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mikebiker:
MD admits it does not have the capability to process the casings. I last heard the machine had been broken for years. MD regulates handgun sales and does a very poor job of it causing delays and wasting more money then you can imagine. They have to continually reprint the forms because of stupid mistakes. The latest idiocy was just this week. the moron reviewing the forms could not read and was rejecting them all for not being filled out properly. It was her not being able to understand the wording of the question did not require a reply. I heard from a dealer the person has been relieved of her position but I doubt that is the case. They can't understand why we have a crime problem when they keep going after honest folks and let the criminals run the show.
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That's the first I've heard that, though I'm not surprised at all.  Was this discussed on MDshooters?
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 4:01:19 PM EDT
This is what happens when you dont support your local dealers and buy online instead.  Grab a gun could care less at this point.  And its not your receiving dealers problem.  Good luck
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Want to play "spot the FFL"?


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This is what happens when you dont support your local dealers and buy online instead.  Grab a gun could care less at this point.  And its not your receiving dealers problem.  Good luck
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Yup, aluminum cases.
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Originally Posted By bluetick357:
Originally Posted By underdogII:
Bought a Glock  couple of years ago and had this envelope with a shell case with it.
Felt too dumb to ask what the hell this is for.

Figured it was something like the Sig targets you get in the case.
Yea Glock just showing you that it does fire.

Stupid me.


Glock always sends un-reloadable blaser cases.



Yup, aluminum cases.




I've never bothered to open any of those little envelopes.  So that's what's in there!
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No.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 5:41:45 PM EDT
After you've fired a few thousand rounds through your gun, the chamber won't be the same, and if you file down the firing pin to make it FA, then that would also change.
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