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Posted: 12/21/2005 5:33:57 PM EDT
Has anyone else seen the new DPMS .308 M4? It's been reviewed on pg.56 of this months American Rifleman. 16" M4 profile barrel with a collapsible stock, flash suppressor and a bayonet lug!!! I gotta go clean my jeans now!
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:35:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/21/2005 5:36:06 PM EDT by DriftPunch]
Yup, it was good to see it there...

Oh wait, the the NRA is just a bunch of smug deer and duck hunters who don't care about anything other than Remchesters.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:37:07 PM EDT
If it only took fal mags.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:37:21 PM EDT
It aint new....

But if i had the money i might get it.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:37:52 PM EDT
My shoulder aches just thinking about a .308 in such a lightweight package.

But I'd buy one in heartbeat anyway.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:38:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.



It wouldn't work.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:38:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.



Then it could shear lugs too!
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:38:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Yup, it was good to see it there...

Oh wait, the the NRA is just a bunch of smug deer and duck hunters who don't care about anything other than Remchesters.



Don't let the Tactical Ninja exterior of the gun fool you. The .308 is an excellent deer round.

I can't wait until Beta makes mags for that gun!
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:39:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.



It wouldn't work.


Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:40:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.

Bans over man... If you've got enough money for the rifle, you've got enough for some extra mags. They make steel 20 rounders.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:40:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.



Then it could shear lugs too!



I heard that!

But they (fal mags) is so cheap
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:43:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.



Then it could shear lugs too!

I've missed something, explain... Is the Bushmaster model poping lugs?
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:43:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.



Then it could shear lugs too!



I heard that!

But they (fal mags) is so cheap


That's what FAL's are for..
Cheap mags don't make the gun....
Ask Bushmaster.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:44:04 PM EDT


Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:46:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:50:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Troy:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.



Then it could shear lugs too!

I've missed something, explain... Is the Bushmaster model poping lugs?



Yes, just as I predicted here when it was announced. Bushmaster has since announced that their .308 line has been cancelled.

-Troy

Details? Did they have to eliminate the bottom lug for feeding, thereby putting unbalanced stress on the rest? I'd have though that thought this problem could be eliminated by making two large lugs (AK style) as opposed to many small perfectly machined ones. The 7.62*39 AR sheared lugs because it tried to use the same bolt , but with a larger face which took precious steel away from the lugs.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 5:51:21 PM EDT
.308 and the theory behind the M4 don't equate or mix, IMHO.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:02:02 PM EDT
i have a magazine article on a busy 308 ar to that takes fal mags, at least i think it was a busy i will look later
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:08:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scotty1911:
i have a magazine article on a busy 308 ar to that takes fal mags, at least i think it was a busy i will look later



Bushmaster DID have an AR in .308. They stopped making them after problems with broken bolts, it sold lame, and they thought people want a carbon fiber 9mm instead.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:12:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 20iner:
.308 and the theory behind the M4 don't equate or mix, IMHO.



Pretty decent rifle for carrying around in Alaska and urban combat ops.....
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:13:58 PM EDT
Bleh.. Gimme a regular stock and a 20" barrel
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:16:21 PM EDT
I'm going to try mine out on monday
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:20:10 PM EDT
I'll just stick with my Armalite AR10 20"!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:20:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Originally Posted By 20iner:
.308 and the theory behind the M4 don't equate or mix, IMHO.



Pretty decent rifle for carrying around in Alaska and urban combat ops.....



Except why IN THE HELL would anyone put an M4 cut in the barrel? This tourist trap BS gets on my nerves.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:22:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Originally Posted By 20iner:
.308 and the theory behind the M4 don't equate or mix, IMHO.



Pretty decent rifle for carrying around in Alaska and urban combat ops.....



Except why IN THE HELL would anyone put an M4 cut in the barrel? This tourist trap BS gets on my nerves.



Point to Combat jack.......agreed. Dumb marketing ploy that could have saved us at least $5 on the price.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:27:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Originally Posted By 20iner:
.308 and the theory behind the M4 don't equate or mix, IMHO.



Pretty decent rifle for carrying around in Alaska and urban combat ops.....



Except why IN THE HELL would anyone put an M4 cut in the barrel? This tourist trap BS gets on my nerves.



So that you can mount your 37mm distress flare launcher.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 6:28:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Thekatar:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Originally Posted By 20iner:
.308 and the theory behind the M4 don't equate or mix, IMHO.



Pretty decent rifle for carrying around in Alaska and urban combat ops.....



Except why IN THE HELL would anyone put an M4 cut in the barrel? This tourist trap BS gets on my nerves.



So that you can mount your 37mm distress flare launcher.




Link Posted: 12/21/2005 7:03:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 7:11:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Troy:
Hesse and ASA tried to make FAL-mag ARs a couple of years before BM, and they left the lug in place. To the surprise of no one who understands how ARs work, they could never get the ammo to feed around the bottom lug reliably from the narrow, center-feeding FAL mags.
-Troy



Are you sure it wasen't because it was Hesse and ASA?
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 7:13:46 PM EDT
OH Thank God.

DPMS... I won't have to buy one.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 11:02:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
If it only took fal mags.



The it would have the same bolt breakage issues that the BAR-10 did. Troy did a good writeup about this, but essentially the bolt is too weak after removing one of the locking lugs to get it to feed from the center.

Dave
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