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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:04:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2016 7:19:34 PM EST by maleante]
Interested in becoming a plaintiff against the state?

http://comm2a.org/8-home/238-guns-available-in-massachuetts

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Glock and Remington sues MA AG over fishing expedition data request on nationwide customer information.

Attorney General Maura Healey has launched a sweeping investigation into possible safety problems involving guns manufactured by at least two major companies, Remington and Glock, according to lawsuits filed by both firms, which are fighting Healey’s efforts.
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Originally Posted By djsmiles:
Originally Posted By bikerman9967:
how do you help these states? i mean what support is there to give?

all CT got was a bunch of hate
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Originally Posted By djsmiles:
Wanna help?

Donate

Comm2A

GOAL

Sign the petition

Come to the rally

We need to stand together.
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The Antigun group hashtag they intend to use is #weaponsofwar

All info from AG here: http://www.mass.gov/ago/public-safety/awbe.html


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11am update:
* effective immediately the "illegal assault weapons" since 1994 are now illegal. No buying, no selling. Dealers with existing stock must sell them out of state where they are"still" legal.

No legal way to make a gun compliant. She used an example of a flash hider and said that a gun without a flash hider (no features) is illegal. If a gun is "MA compliant" it's illegal.



From the attorney general of Massistan:

The Massachusetts assault weapons ban mirrors the federal ban Congress allowed to expire in 2004. It prohibits the sale of specific weapons like the Colt AR-15 and AK-47 and explicitly bans “copies or duplicates” of those weapons. But gun manufacturers have taken it upon themselves to define what a “copy” or “duplicate” weapon is. They market “state compliant” copycat versions of their assault weapons to Massachusetts buyers. They sell guns without a flash suppressor or folding or telescoping stock, for example, small tweaks that do nothing to limit the lethalness of the weapon.

That will end now. On Wednesday, we are sending a directive to all gun manufacturers and dealers that makes clear that the sale of these copycat assault weapons is illegal in Massachusetts. With this directive, we will ensure we get the full protection intended when lawmakers enacted our assault weapons ban, not the watered-down version of those protections offered by gun manufacturers.

The directive specifically outlines two tests to determine what constitutes a “copy” or “duplicate” of a prohibited weapon. If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon, or if the gun has components that are interchangeable with those of a banned weapon, it’s a “copy” or “duplicate,” and it is illegal. Assault weapons prohibited under our laws cannot be altered in any way to make their sale or possession legal in Massachusetts...
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Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:06:53 AM EST
The AR15 is now dead in MA. Not even the SafeAct abortion would be legal in MA.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:15:20 AM EST
Your move NY......And you know they will.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:15:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2016 7:26:22 AM EST by dcormier1]
Originally Posted By maleante:
From the attorney general of Massistan:

The Massachusetts assault weapons ban mirrors the federal ban Congress allowed to expire in 2004. It prohibits the sale of specific weapons like the Colt AR-15 and AK-47 and explicitly bans “copies or duplicates” of those weapons. But gun manufacturers have taken it upon themselves to define what a “copy” or “duplicate” weapon is. They market “state compliant” copycat versions of their assault weapons to Massachusetts buyers. They sell guns without a flash suppressor or folding or telescoping stock, for example, small tweaks that do nothing to limit the lethalness of the weapon.

That will end now. On Wednesday, we are sending a directive to all gun manufacturers and dealers that makes clear that the sale of these copycat assault weapons is illegal in Massachusetts. With this directive, we will ensure we get the full protection intended when lawmakers enacted our assault weapons ban, not the watered-down version of those protections offered by gun manufacturers.

The directive specifically outlines two tests to determine what constitutes a “copy” or “duplicate” of a prohibited weapon. If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon, or if the gun has components that are interchangeable with those of a banned weapon, it’s a “copy” or “duplicate,” and it is illegal. Assault weapons prohibited under our laws cannot be altered in any way to make their sale or possession legal in Massachusetts...
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Then why did the law use these features as reason to ban them dumbfucks?


So a bolt action AR15 would be banned because it shares components with the Semi AR15?

And since banned semi AR15 use a gas/recoil system then all other semi auto rifles would also be banned?

Seems like these 2 would be enough to challenge the interpretation goes beyond the law that was originally passed.

We passed a law that says no exotic sports cars on the road will be allowed or copies of said vehicles. Well now we say copies include any car with same drive systems or cars that share interchangeable parts. Your car uses 4 round rubber devices that allow your car to speed. Yup its a copy + banned
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:19:05 AM EST
What did I miss, this seemed like it sprang up out of nowhere, quickly. I don't live in MA, but this pisses me off all the same.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:19:09 AM EST
California and New York will not be outdone.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:19:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dcormier1:


Then why did the law use these features as reason to ban them dumbfucks?
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Originally Posted By dcormier1:
Originally Posted By maleante:
From the attorney general of Massistan:

The Massachusetts assault weapons ban mirrors the federal ban Congress allowed to expire in 2004. It prohibits the sale of specific weapons like the Colt AR-15 and AK-47 and explicitly bans “copies or duplicates” of those weapons. But gun manufacturers have taken it upon themselves to define what a “copy” or “duplicate” weapon is. They market “state compliant” copycat versions of their assault weapons to Massachusetts buyers. They sell guns without a flash suppressor or folding or telescoping stock, for example, small tweaks that do nothing to limit the lethalness of the weapon.

That will end now. On Wednesday, we are sending a directive to all gun manufacturers and dealers that makes clear that the sale of these copycat assault weapons is illegal in Massachusetts. With this directive, we will ensure we get the full protection intended when lawmakers enacted our assault weapons ban, not the watered-down version of those protections offered by gun manufacturers.

The directive specifically outlines two tests to determine what constitutes a “copy” or “duplicate” of a prohibited weapon. If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon, or if the gun has components that are interchangeable with those of a banned weapon, it’s a “copy” or “duplicate,” and it is illegal. Assault weapons prohibited under our laws cannot be altered in any way to make their sale or possession legal in Massachusetts...


Then why did the law use these features as reason to ban them dumbfucks?

"It's like rain on your wedding, it's a free ride, when you've already payed, it's the good advice that you just didn't take..."
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Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:19:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By maleante:
The AR15 is now dead in MA. Not even the SafeAct abortion would be legal in MA.
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Interpretation vs exact verbiage, I smell multiple court challenges...
The state wasting your tax dollars to try and exert their privelege, perhaps its time the state finds out that receiving tax funding is just a privelege...consent of the governed.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:21:34 AM EST
Who would have thought?
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:22:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By medalhedd:
What did I miss, this seemed like it sprang up out of nowhere, quickly. I don't live in MA, but this pisses me off all the same.
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Same. So is this just a re-interpretation of an existing law/ban?
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Originally Posted By dcormier1:


Then why did the law use these features as reason to ban them dumbfucks?
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Originally Posted By dcormier1:
Originally Posted By maleante:
From the attorney general of Massistan:

The Massachusetts assault weapons ban mirrors the federal ban Congress allowed to expire in 2004. It prohibits the sale of specific weapons like the Colt AR-15 and AK-47 and explicitly bans "copies or duplicates” of those weapons. But gun manufacturers have taken it upon themselves to define what a "copy” or "duplicate” weapon is. They market "state compliant” copycat versions of their assault weapons to Massachusetts buyers. They sell guns without a flash suppressor or folding or telescoping stock, for example, small tweaks that do nothing to limit the lethalness of the weapon.

That will end now. On Wednesday, we are sending a directive to all gun manufacturers and dealers that makes clear that the sale of these copycat assault weapons is illegal in Massachusetts. With this directive, we will ensure we get the full protection intended when lawmakers enacted our assault weapons ban, not the watered-down version of those protections offered by gun manufacturers.

The directive specifically outlines two tests to determine what constitutes a "copy” or "duplicate” of a prohibited weapon. If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon, or if the gun has components that are interchangeable with those of a banned weapon, it’s a "copy” or "duplicate,” and it is illegal. Assault weapons prohibited under our laws cannot be altered in any way to make their sale or possession legal in Massachusetts...


Then why did the law use these features as reason to ban them dumbfucks?

That was the first thing I thought.


So this would ban ANY DI or piston driven semi-auto weapon?
"If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon"

Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:23:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dcormier1:


Then why did the law use these features as reason to ban them dumbfucks?
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Originally Posted By dcormier1:
Originally Posted By maleante:
From the attorney general of Massistan:

The Massachusetts assault weapons ban mirrors the federal ban Congress allowed to expire in 2004. It prohibits the sale of specific weapons like the Colt AR-15 and AK-47 and explicitly bans "copies or duplicates” of those weapons. But gun manufacturers have taken it upon themselves to define what a "copy” or "duplicate” weapon is. They market "state compliant” copycat versions of their assault weapons to Massachusetts buyers. They sell guns without a flash suppressor or folding or telescoping stock, for example, small tweaks that do nothing to limit the lethalness of the weapon.

That will end now. On Wednesday, we are sending a directive to all gun manufacturers and dealers that makes clear that the sale of these copycat assault weapons is illegal in Massachusetts. With this directive, we will ensure we get the full protection intended when lawmakers enacted our assault weapons ban, not the watered-down version of those protections offered by gun manufacturers.

The directive specifically outlines two tests to determine what constitutes a "copy” or "duplicate” of a prohibited weapon. If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon, or if the gun has components that are interchangeable with those of a banned weapon, it’s a "copy” or "duplicate,” and it is illegal. Assault weapons prohibited under our laws cannot be altered in any way to make their sale or possession legal in Massachusetts...


Then why did the law use these features as reason to ban them dumbfucks?

Because it's taken them twenty years to even get a small notion of how guns work and what makes them different.


They could've gotten one gun owner drunk in 1993, asked him what wording of the law would fuck him the most, and done a lot more damage.


But, lucky for us, the idiots backing gun laws are usually "the shoulder thing that goes up" level of retarded.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:24:02 AM EST
So, a state-compliant AR-15 is not defined as an assault weapon because its lacking features of an "assault weapon" but since it still acts like an "assault weapon" (however they think an assault weapon works) it therefore must finally be banned.

What a bunch of retards in command.

#blackriflesmatter
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:24:24 AM EST
What is MA gonna do? Go out of state and arrest the CEO of of some of these manufacturers?
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:25:23 AM EST
Bundle civil rights, give up any and give up all. There is no reason for people in gun control states to have the vote or any other civil rights.

Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:25:50 AM EST
wait, which law in MA allows for this? I want to see it codified or its bullshit.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:27:10 AM EST
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All they need to do is intimidate the gun shops into compliance. It doesn't even matter if it is legal. They've done the same thing with mail order ammunition.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:28:45 AM EST
Does that mean Smith & Wesson will be relocating to a free state?

Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:29:03 AM EST
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Does that mean Smith & Wesson will be relocating to a free state?

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i doubt it
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:30:21 AM EST
Link OP?
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:31:47 AM EST
One more reason to try and convince my GFs family to retire in a free state.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:32:31 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:33:19 AM EST
Anyone have a link? I can't find anything
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:33:26 AM EST
So anything that can accept a 1/2x28 muzzle device . Or the magazine. Or a screw, pin, clip, etc...

Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:33:45 AM EST
ASSachusetts
The Black Hole of Freedom
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:34:24 AM EST
I'm surprised cuomo didn't do it first

Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:35:49 AM EST
As the FSA grows this plague will never stop.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:36:22 AM EST
That law, if it is even a law, should be struck down in the courts as too vague.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:38:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FMJ3:
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So this would ban ANY DI or piston driven semi-auto weapon?
"If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon"


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You're being too narrow in your "essentially the same" reasoning. They'll be calling it like this eventually: "if it has a firing pin instead of an external hammer... if it has any sort of magazine other than a revolving cylinder... if it uses a rifled barrel instead of a smooth bore... if it uses cased ammo instead of a separate charge and ball..."
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:38:28 AM EST
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Tinfoil hat time:

May 24 the MA attorney general met with the white house to discuss gun control and the purpose of her meeting according to her speech (available on her website in .PDF) was to "share ideas and find solutions".

Then this literally comes out of nowhere less than 2 months later.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:42:27 AM EST
How about pre-1994 AR-15's?
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:43:50 AM EST
So they passed a law and were upset that people complied with their law, because they didn't really want compliance. They wanted total prohibition, which is unconstitutional.

MA is proving that the "common sense gun laws that respect 2A rights" argument that the left has been using is a total lie.

Not that we didn't know this already.

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Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:43:53 AM EST
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It's not up on the MA AG site yet.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/07/20/the-loophole-mass-assault-weapons-ban/eEvOBklTriWcGznmXqSpYM/story.html#comments

Cold link
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Link? I see nothing on GOAL.
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This happened this morning.

Surprise!
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:46:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By djsmiles:
I don't actually see this happening.
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I can see it easily happening.

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Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:51:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Andrapos:
The birthplace of freedom!
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Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:51:43 AM EST
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Nvm
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Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:54:28 AM EST
One state at a time.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:54:46 AM EST
No news here, no surprises. The citizens of MA are much safer today then they were yesterday. There won't be anymore gun violence now that the law has been clarified.

MA has been on my no go list for a long time. Fuck them!
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:55:09 AM EST
Bunch of fucking traitors.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:56:48 AM EST
CALCULATED strategy.

Start with the most sympathetic state's attorney, progress through most sympathetic court system and batter the 2nd amendment to death with anti freedom government apparatchiks.
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:57:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By djsmiles:


Not legally. We fought, and won, against a SAFE style law last year. We are not going down without a fight. Fuck that whore Maura Healey. Bitch will get tarred and feathered. The old school way.
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Originally Posted By Azygos:
Originally Posted By djsmiles:
I don't actually see this happening.


I can see it easily happening.

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Not legally. We fought, and won, against a SAFE style law last year. We are not going down without a fight. Fuck that whore Maura Healey. Bitch will get tarred and feathered. The old school way.


no she won't
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 7:59:03 AM EST
Massachusetts just banned every semi auto rifle and shotgun. I am glad to see the truth come out . I hope the government comes after the first amendment just as hard..
Link Posted: 7/20/2016 8:01:02 AM EST
Can anyone from MA confirm this? Seems that it would be an easy google....it's not.
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