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Posted: 11/1/2006 6:16:13 AM EST
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From the Desk of Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton:
New Documents Detail Mexican Military Incursions!

Judicial Watch recently obtained documents from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that detail more than 226 Mexican government incursions between 1996 and 2005 - an average of 25 per year. (An incursion is defined by DHS as, "the unauthorized crossing of the U.S.-Mexico border by Mexican Government Personnel.") It seems that armed Mexican soldiers and Mexican police officers are regularly crossing our border with little or no consequence.

The records obtained by Judicial Watch through the Freedom of Information Act consist of annual intelligence summaries of "Mexican Government Incidents," compiled over a nine-year period. They were designated as "limited official use" by the DHS, requiring "special protection against unauthorized or inadvertent disclosure." After reading the documents, I can understand why the federal government would want to keep a lid on them.

The intelligence summaries provide detailed maps of the incursions, along with descriptions of other documented "incidents" involving Mexican government personnel and Border Patrol agents. The records describe incidents involving shots fired on both sides of the border, unmarked helicopters invading U.S. airspace, drug smuggling, and confrontations between U.S. Border Patrol agents and armed members of the Mexican military. Here are a few highlights:

MEXICAN MILITARY ENCOUNTER (ARMED/THREATENING) RIO GRANDE VALLEY/BROWNSVILLE - "As the boat proceeded to go down river towards the scene, the [Border Patrol] Agent on board advised via radio that several Mexican soldiers were pointing their rifles in his direction. The Agent decided for his safety and the safety of the crew to turn back, but advised that the soldiers were still aiming at them." (2005)
MEXICAN MILITARY SIGHTING - TUCSON/DOUGLAS STATION - "The [Border Patrol] Agents were returning to their assigned area when they heard four distinct gunshots coming from Mexico. The gunshots were fired when the Agents were approximately 10 feet away." (2005)
MEXICAN MILITARY SIGHTING (ARMED) LAREDO/ZAPATA: "This boat, which appeared to be a Mexican Military boat, was providing security and escort for the two others that were later found to be transporting 2,716.53 pounds of Marijuana." (2003)
Border Patrol agents have a difficult enough job as it is stopping the flow of illegal aliens without having to worry about running into squads of Mexican soldiers working to mover drugs across our border. I would hazard a guess we don't have this problem with the Canadian armed forces in the north. The federal government should take these incursions seriously and take measures to stop them. As these documents show, it is a joke to think we will ever receive any help from the Mexican government in helping to police the southern border.

Judicial Watch’s investigation of Mexican government incursions is related to Judicial Watch’s larger campaign to fight illegal immigration. When public officials undermine federal immigration laws, we don’t just complain about it. We go to court to stop them. Here are some other highlights from Judicial Watch’s Illegal Immigration Program:

Judicial Watch Sues Los Angeles Police Department Over Dangerous
& Unlawful Immigration Policy
ACLU Asks Court to Allow Illegal Immigrants to Intervene in Judicial
Watch’s Special Order 40 Lawsuit
Judicial Watch Files Lawsuit Against City of Laguna Beach, CA Over
Illegal Day Laborer Site
Government Documents Detail Local Law Enforcement Role in
Immigration Enforcement
New Report Exposes Mexican “Separatist” School Funded by Taxpayers!
JW Defends State Trooper Attacked by ACLU for Arresting Illegals
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:18:36 AM EST
They are simply controlling a border that we Americans are unwilling to control.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:22:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Will-Rogers:
They are simply controlling a border that we Americans are unwilling to control.



That would be funny, if it weren't so true.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:34:39 AM EST
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:40:04 AM EST
BP agents accidently crossing into Mexico is an International Incident. The Mexican Consulate goes ape-shit, the Mexican Army or the Federales or Policia Judicial arrest the BP agents, the PAIC gets called, Washington gets called.

Mexican Army crosses in the US and it's a mouse-fart in a hurricane.

ETA: The incidents of Mexican Army units firing AT or in the direction of BP Agents is VASTLY under-reported.

There's one spot here along the AZ border where an old, abandoned car sits about 300m on the US side of the border. There is a either a BP agent sitting on the X or a agents in the immediate area and the Mexican Army ROUTINELY shoots at said car. Occasionally they miss.

BP can't shoot back.



Sheep
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:41:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 6:42:01 AM EST by psyops4fun]

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??




Yo me voy a gritar << !Bienvenidos, General! !Mi casa es su casa!>>
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:45:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:47:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


Same thing I'd do if anyone was on my property with weapons- defend it with the most ferocity I can muster, and then afterward, move!
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:49:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


Knowing that the average Mexican Soldier can't shoot for shit, I would have to open fire killing all infiltrators. Than i would call the local TV stations. I would like to see both governments explain themselves as well as try to prosecute my ass.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:49:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??



You mean after the realilzation that there are all those weapons that have no form of any kind of registry....just waiting to be battlefield pick ups?
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 6:52:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??




Link Posted: 11/1/2006 7:01:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


FIREFIGHT

They'll be picking dead Mexican soldiers out of my back yard. I don't care who they are; if they are in my yard at oh dock thirty, they will be there when the local PD shows up with the morgue van.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 7:17:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 7:21:08 AM EST by Atomic_Ferret]

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


WOLVERINES!!!!

It would be one heck of a firefight, not sure who would be standing at the end but I would sure as hell take as many of them out as I could. Hopefully some like minded neighbors would show up to even the odds somewhat.

An incident like that sure would bring the border issue to a head if reported exactly as it happened.

Sadly, I think our government would try to spin/cover up the incident. Probably use some kind of a drug dealer /white separatist angle to gloss it over. Place blame on the landowner for throwin shots across the border and show the mexican .mil as defending themselves.

You would wind up spending the rest of your life in prison and any surviving mexican soldiers would be given visas and your property as compensation for the "unfortunate incident".
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 7:21:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


Claymores first...then...send in the hogs.

That's if I was prepared.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 7:33:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


Become a myrtr
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 7:35:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By ar10er:

Originally Posted By Will-Rogers:
They are simply controlling a border that we Americans are unwilling to control.



That would be funny, if it weren't so true.


+1
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 7:48:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


The way you post the question, like you would be dubious if someone like me responded very matter of factly that they would open fire with everything they had and try to kill as many as they possibly could. What kind of Patriot would do anything else?
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 7:57:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


get out the KY since after I shot the invaders I would undoubtedly end up in federal pound me in the ass prison following the shitstorm from either the aclu or the mexican.gov. mexico is our friend, I welcome our new lowriding overlords.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:48:13 PM EST
BTT
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 9:04:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


Being told to disarm by foreign soldiers on U.S. property? That's a total no-brainer.

I might not survive the encounter but I'd take as many as I could with me. I can't think of a more clear-cut reason for use of deadly force than being confronted by a group of armed, uniformed and hostile foreign military personnel on U.S. soil.

Link Posted: 11/1/2006 9:21:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Airwolf:

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


Being told to disarm by foreign soldiers on U.S. property? That's a total no-brainer.

I might not survive the encounter but I'd take as many as I could with me. I can't think of a more clear-cut reason for use of deadly force than being confronted by a group of armed, uniformed and hostile foreign military personnel on U.S. soil.



Werd.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 9:51:57 PM EST
Calm down everyone!

They're only patroling a border Americans don't want.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 10:00:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fire.

What would YOU do??


Something tells me this situation would be an ARFCOMMER's wet dream.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 10:01:54 PM EST
This stuff has been going on for awhile....thanks for the update. Stuff like this will be the proof test to see who is ready to rock and roll, and who is all talk.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 10:35:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By StandardDeviation:

Originally Posted By extra_ammo:
Okay... here's a scenario for all you to consider.

You live near the US/Mexico border, you own several acres, fenced in an all legally owned. It's zero-dark-thirty, you're sleeping in your humble abode with your beautiful woman, your precious dog(s) start barking you get up to see what's got 'em all upset. You see shadows of men in your yard with rifles. You and your woman grab weapons and prepare to defend... when all of a sudden into the lighted area you see undead Mexican army personnel - in uniform with automatic weapons looking to eat your brains. You are told to lay down your weapons or they will fireconfronted with grunting and groaning and nearly overcome with the stench of rotting flesh and chili peppers.

What would YOU do??


Something tells me this situation would be an ARFCOMMER's wet dream.


Now it is an ARFCOMMER'S wet dream.

Seriously though, this situation sucks.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 10:36:45 PM EST
This has been going on for a long time.
Many of those incursions are being done in support of smugglers who have paid the army for protection.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 6:17:41 AM EST
One last bump
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 6:27:37 AM EST
If the day ever comes when I have to deal with this situation up here in MT, then we're really screwed. But my response would be the same either way. This country belongs to us AMERICANS.. and if foreign troops are found armed on my property, then they'll be found lying where they once stood in the morning. I consider that an invasion and will put my life on the line to repel it.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 6:57:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
If the day ever comes when I have to deal with this situation up here in MT, then we're really screwed. But my response would be the same either way. This country belongs to us AMERICANS.. and if foreign troops are found armed on my property, then they'll be found lying where they once stood in the morning. I consider that an invasion and will put my life on the line to repel it.



At the rate this is going, the border just may be MT.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 3:33:03 PM EST
Sounds a bit like 1916 all over again.
My great grandfather came down here w/ Gen'l "Blackjack" Pershing.
I think back then they called it the "Punitive Expedition".
Pershing and Patton and the doughboys came down here and accomplished nothing..well except the last American cavalry charge under fire on this continent.
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