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8/8/2013 8:08:58 AM EDT

In dire need of some help here.  I'm a DoD contractor shipping 12 cases of ammo via MILITARY airlift next week.  One of the things I need is the NET EXPLOSIVE WEIGHT (NEW) for the shipment.  I know this number as the manufacturer gave it to me, but it was verbal and I'm having a hard time finding this out in printed form (just in case it's needed when I get to the base.)  Anyone have any tools or a chart I can refer to?   I'm shipping 9mm 115 grain FMJ rounds.  I've been searching everywhere.  No luck.  Usually we go through a third party to certify ammo.  This time I did it myself.
8/8/2013 8:11:31 AM EDT
[#1]
Is there an MSDS from the manufacturer?
I used to be in the explosives industry and everything had an MSDS that gave that info in print.
8/8/2013 8:14:48 AM EDT
[#2]
Contact your local .mil bomb dumps Inspection office.(The NEW for 1.4 to even placard it on a truck is an ass ton of small arms ammo)
8/8/2013 8:33:14 AM EDT
[#3]
I'm looking at the MSDS now and they only have them broken down by primer, not specific round.  I'm reading over it now and see nothing about NEW.
8/8/2013 8:35:34 AM EDT
[#4]
It's stamped on the side of the crate.....
8/8/2013 8:40:23 AM EDT
[#5]
This ammo is not in crates.  It's in 1000 round cartons made of fiberboard.
8/8/2013 8:46:21 AM EDT
[#6]
From the TB 700 -2  
4–9. Explosive weights for Class 1 items
a. High Explosive Weight (HEW). The total weight of all Hazard
Division 1.1 material contained in an item.
b. Net Propellant Weight (NPW). The total weight of Hazard
Division 1.3 material contained in an item.
c. Net Explosive Weight (NEW). NEW = HEW + NPW. The
total weight of all Class 1 material in an item, stack of items, ship,
vehicle, aircraft, cubicle or building. For instance, the NEW of an
entire ship’s cargo is required on the manifest for shipment under
the International Maritime Dangerous Goods Code (IMDG).
d. Net Explosive Weight for Q-D (NEWQD). NEWQD = NEW
unless testing has been conducted (see paras 6–1a and 6–2). Based
on testing, the NEWQD may include a contribution (less than or
equal to 100%) from Hazard Division 1.3 material when the Hazard
Division 1.1 material has been functioned. The test protocol and the
determination of NEWQD requires approval by the DDESB. The
NEWQD may not be acceptable for transportation over the highways
or aboard ships. The value of applying NEWQD occurs in
storage configurations and when items are deployed.
NOTE: Quantity distance (Q–D) is defined in Chapter 2.

Hope this helps you figure it out.  NEW = HEW + NPW
8/8/2013 8:46:54 AM EDT
[#7]
Call the local BATFE office.
This may fall under common weight.
(i.e. the CFR 49 and IME states that all #8 blasting caps, regardless of manufacturer, have a NEW of 1.5 lbs per 1,000)

I'm not sure about small arms ammo, but it may be the same kind of generalization.
8/8/2013 8:50:02 AM EDT
[#8]
That would help if the manufacturer would provide the numbers!  So frustrating.  They should have this stuff easily obtainable.  I've called 3 times.
8/8/2013 8:51:24 AM EDT
[#9]
I know what the NEW is per case.  They gave me the Net Explosive Weight per case which is .731kg.  I need a document that shows this.  That's all.
8/8/2013 8:55:23 AM EDT
[#10]
The fiberboard box should have a label or stencil that states the NEW.

ETA: NM I see that you already know the actual number, you just need a JHCS printout.
8/8/2013 9:02:51 AM EDT
[#11]
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The high explosive weight is in the priming copound, and the ammunition manufacturer likely purchased those.

They should now the propellent weight.
8/8/2013 9:10:40 AM EDT
[#12]
This spreadsheet and PDF list some #s

http://www.eur.army.mil/safety/INTERNAL/TRANSPORTATION/DANGEROUS_GOODS/GENERAL/Movement_Authorizations/CAAs/GE38%20-%201315-01-000-0038/GE01-GE40%20Bulg%20Ammo%20IHC.pdf
Page 10 jj: NEW .0009 /lbs (0.408g)

https://aepubs.army.mil/ae/images/AER55-4_FH-01.xls
8/8/2013 10:40:03 AM EDT
[#13]
Thanks for providing that document but it doesn't show what I need.  I've 9mm 115 grain FMJ rounds made by Federal Ammunition.  I even downloaded the MSDS from their web site and still, no documentation.
8/8/2013 10:51:19 AM EDT
[#14]
Call manufacturer (again) and request a simple statement of what you need in writing on their letterhead.
Scan & email to you.


done.
8/8/2013 12:16:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Yep, I've done that and they keep telling me someone will email it to me.
8/8/2013 12:33:36 PM EDT
[#16]
Where are you located? the explosive category is 1.4S and for that small of an amount it's not going to measure up much. Who is doing the transport?
8/8/2013 12:42:05 PM EDT
[#17]
Couple of these usually make the UPS guy twitch...



8/8/2013 12:42:20 PM EDT
[#18]
Located in MD.  I know it's not a lot. Each case of 1000 rounds only has a NET EXPLOSIVE CASE weight of .731.  Still, this ammo is going on a MILAIR flight and headed to the middle east.  The pilot is going to want to know how much explosive material he has on his plane.
8/8/2013 12:52:55 PM EDT
[#19]
Go to the Army Small Caliber Ammunition Data Sheets.  Find the sheet for 9mm Ball and you'll find the powder charge weight per round.  You should also find the NEW for a single primer.

There are 7000 grains per pound.  Loaded ammo is hazard class 1.4S, Small Arms Cartridges.
8/8/2013 12:55:52 PM EDT
[#20]
I thought that suggests that all 9mm rounds have the same amount of explosives in them? That's not true, right?   These are 115 grain 9mm Luger Auto FMJ.
8/8/2013 12:56:30 PM EDT
[#21]
Have you called the Cargo Drivers(Aircrew), they should have access to that data as well.
8/8/2013 12:58:29 PM EDT
[#22]
Most places don't worry much about this:

as much as they do this:
8/8/2013 1:01:20 PM EDT
[#23]
What is the NSN of the item you are shipping?  You can find the NEW through that.
8/8/2013 1:02:22 PM EDT
[#24]
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Can he get access to FEDLOG?
8/8/2013 1:03:35 PM EDT
[#25]
Just reviewed this document and I see nothing about about the charge weight per round.
8/8/2013 1:19:55 PM EDT
[#26]


DODICNSNUS NOMENCLATUREUN NUMBERPROPER SHIPPING NAMEDIVISIONCGNET EXPLOSIVE WEIGHT KILOGRAMSNEW LBSSRCPLACARD & LABELADDITIONAL PLACARD & LABELSUPPL AISIBDPACKAGED WEIGHT LBSPACKAGED WEIGHT KGSUNIT PACK




A3631305-01-172-9558CARTRIDGE, 9MM BALL NATO XM8820012CARTRIDGES, SMALL ARMS1.4S0.0004130.00091141.479.36


Google 9mm Net Explosive Weight and just the first excel sheet that pops up.

8/8/2013 1:38:06 PM EDT
[#27]
If you give me the DODIC or model number I can give you all of the info you need.
8/8/2013 1:48:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Try this:



Straight from the SW020 for shipping Ammo for the military.
8/8/2013 2:54:45 PM EDT
[#29]
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What is the NSN of the item you are shipping?  You can find the NEW through that.


Can he get access to FEDLOG?



Dont need access to FEDLOG to find out the same info FEDLOG has.
8/8/2013 2:58:39 PM EDT
[#30]
It should be in the HAZMAT Shipping TO.

IM 2T2_Crash, he might be able to answer your question.