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3/17/2014 11:14:42 AM EDT
My son is leaving for Army basic in June. What rifle will he be utilizing to qualify with on what type of targets?
3/17/2014 11:15:37 AM EDT
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Just let uncle sugar teach him how to shoot

Eta: just a civ here ... Sorry

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3/17/2014 11:16:26 AM EDT
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This. but not a civ. Probably an old M16 from vietnam era.
3/17/2014 11:19:50 AM EDT
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This. but not a civ. Probably an old M16 from vietnam era.


lol

In 08, there were a lot of GM Hydromatic lowers in Basic at Sill.
3/17/2014 11:21:27 AM EDT
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Clean slate.
3/17/2014 11:25:32 AM EDT
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I qualified on an M16A4, tankers had M4s. As stated let big green teach him how to shoot, the best shooters were the ones that were newbies to shooting and hadn't developed bad habits yet. A rifle will be a nice present after graduation.



Best preparation for basic would be making him field strip and clean a shitty rattling M16 over and over on 4 hours of sleep a day and never being able to sit on anything other than the floor for a few months . Oh yeah and sweeping/mopping/buffing the goddamn floor
3/17/2014 11:26:49 AM EDT
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Probably M16A2, maybe M16A4.

As stated above,  he will be trained.  If he shows up with even the slightest aura of having something figured out, the  DLs will sniff it out, and destroy it.

Ignorant will not be bliss, but in this application, it will make his life easier.  I showed up cocky, thinking I knew everything.  In hindsight, it was amusing thinking about how I was "set straight," though at the time, not so much!
3/17/2014 11:30:52 AM EDT
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I don't know....In my case, I had shot competitively all through high school, and was the only person in my Plt to qualify expert on the M16.

Some familiarity with the AR type rifle (M16A2 type sights) would definitely be an advantage.
3/17/2014 11:33:04 AM EDT
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If he's anything like the SSG I work with he is going to come back thinking the bullets tumble in flight and that a .50 is illegal to use on humans and will kill someone just by passing close by.
3/17/2014 11:36:21 AM EDT
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I don't know....In my case, I had shot competitively all through high school, and was the only person in my Plt to qualify expert on the M16.

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Then your PMI failed your platoon.
3/17/2014 11:37:51 AM EDT
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If you want to teach him to shoot, use a 22lr bolt gun with iron sights.

Trigger pull, breath control, and sight picture will transfer over to whatever weapon he ultimately uses.

I learned on a 22 and bb gun, had no problem with the M16 when the time came.
3/17/2014 11:37:53 AM EDT
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My son graudated basic at Ft. Leanord Wood in 2011. He was issued a M4 with aimpoint. MOS 21B
3/17/2014 11:38:45 AM EDT
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This. but not a civ. Probably an old M16 from vietnam era.



This. The lower will be Vietnam era most likely, but the upper will be an A2. Also A2 buttstock.
3/17/2014 11:40:07 AM EDT
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Get him a floor buffer to train on if you want him to come back a real Soldier.

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3/17/2014 11:42:42 AM EDT
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While this doesn't answer your question I will share with you my experience at Parris Island back in 2005.

Our PMI wanted to know who had extensive shooting experience. Several guys raised their hands. He asked who had spent some time shooting ARs and the great majority of those guys raised their hands again. Not a single one of them qualified expert. A good half of them had pizza boxes. We had 14 guys out of 80 qualify expert. Not one of them had any real shooting experience before. He doesn't need to show up thinking he already knows everything and have a chip on his shoulder.
3/17/2014 11:43:51 AM EDT
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Brief him on what grid squares are.
3/17/2014 11:44:22 AM EDT
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train him on a AR  with A2 stock and sights  using 5.56    55 gr.   ammo   at   50-300 meters
3/17/2014 11:46:25 AM EDT
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If you want to teach him to shoot, use a 22lr bolt gun with iron sights.

Trigger pull, breath control, and sight picture will transfer over to whatever weapon he ultimately uses.

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This. Do not teach him any bad habits that have to be beaten out of him in basic.

My son and I went through about 1k rounds before he shipped doing nothing but breath control and sight picture from a bench. He shot expert.
3/17/2014 12:38:32 PM EDT
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Why 55gr? We used 62gr.

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3/18/2014 6:51:08 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info...you guys are great. I am a NRA Master Class Service Rifle Competitor. I didn't know if he needed to train him with iron sights or a blame red dot gadget thingy.
3/18/2014 6:52:35 AM EDT
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M16A2 with iron sights.
3/18/2014 7:06:05 AM EDT
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Ignore the "let Uncle Sugar teach him" posts.  Army basic training is just that; basic.  The Army will teach him to shoot good enough to qualify, everything else is up to him.

If you have an iron sighted A2 sign him up for an Appleseed and let him use it.  If all you have are optics that'll work but he'll learn less.  If bringing a scope bring the tools to adjust how it's mounted as he develops proper cheek rest and NTCH.

At an Appleseed he'll spend two long days learning nothing but positional shooting (prone, sitting, standing and maybe kneeling), sight alignment and trigger press.  It'll make him a far better shooter as prep for basic.

Ask any DS how many kids struggle to even establish a zero on day one and you'll see that starting ahead of the curve is AOK!  Basic Rifle Marksmanship is a little different than what and how an Appleseed teaches but not by much.  If he keeps his mouth shut about "what I learned at Appleseed" and just excels while doing what they tell him things will go well for him.

ETA - Just saw you're a SR competitor so Appleseed may seem a little slow to you.
He may use all three platforms (irons, M68 & ACOG RCO) or just one. No telling until he gets there unless you know an instructor.  I've had friends attend basic at different stations and all had different experiences.