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Posted: 5/16/2001 7:10:07 PM EDT
> Regarding job layoffs in the U.S. > > Joe Smith started the day early having set his alarm > clock (MADE IN JAPAN) for 6 a.m. While his coffeepot > (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his > electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG). > > He put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), > designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE) and > tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA). > > After cooking his breakfast in his new electric > skillet (MADE IN INDIA) he sat down with his > calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much > he could spend today. After setting his watch > (MADE IN TAIWAN) to the radio (MADE > IN INDIA) he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY) > and continued his search for a good paying > AMERICAN JOB. > > At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day, > Joe decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals > (MADE IN BRAZIL) poured himself a glass of wine > (MADE IN FRANCE) and turned on his TV > (MADE IN INDONESIA), and then wondered why > he can't find a good paying job in.....AMERICA.....? > |
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aint it sad how far this country has gone in such a short amount of time ?
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These corparate heads who run the big corporations are so busy chasing cheap foreign labor they just don't take the time to realize they are destroying the country.
With each job that goes overseas an American tax payer must apply for welfare. |
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yup thats the truth
the destruction of the middle class continues |
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And the population of foreigners in the country continues to rise at break-neck speed.......
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Fullclip:
so true, so true. I took a quick look around my apartment and found the same foriegn made crap everywhere. Except for a few weapons. I have to agree that big corporations and the US government are the real villians here. it is difficult to find American made goods at comparable prices today. I am not very wealthy, so I try to get the most out of my money when buying household items. I will start to look for more US made products when making purchases. The only problem is that we, the American citizens and consumers, have been sold out by the big wigs and they made it very hard for true American small buisinesses to compete with the corporations that use cheap foriegn labor. This reply was MADE IN USA on a mostly foriegn computer. |
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I love it when they say they have to move overseas due to "competitive pressure". A major small engine manufacturer said that when they moved out of Milwaukee. Problem was their major competitor was also based in Milwakee.
I've often wondered how much shipping costs are when they move stuff overseas. Why can't they just move executives overseas? In Germany average manager pay is appx 10 times avg. worker pay. In the US avg. manager pay is 100 times the avg worker pay. Of course we bring it on ourselves. We complain about the loss of jobs here but when we go to buy stuff, for the most part, the minutely cheaper foriegn widget is sold more often than the US widget. And if ther is a big price difference........ |
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'Zactly! It sure is tough to find anything American made these days.
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I've been trying to only buy American-made products, but they are sure as hell hard to find, these days.
Heck, even trying to NOT buy ChiCom stuff is a pain in the pockets... But well worth the effort, in my estimation. Semper Fi! Ken Little |
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Flame time....If he took his AMERICAN car looking for a job, it would have been towed by to the American shop by an Ameican tow truck driver!
Good luck trying to find an American to do some of the jobs we are moving overseas. Not a rip, but true. |
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"In Germany average manager pay is appx 10 times avg. worker pay. In the US avg. manager pay is 100 times the avg worker pay."
The BS flag is raised and is flying high. Let's figure shall we? Let's say that the "average" American worker makes minumim wage plus a few cents. Remember "average" counts 18 year old kids at McD's and union welders with 40 years - minimum wage plus a few cents, figure $7 an hour. I would guess closer to $20-25 an hour but let's just say $7. $7 x $100 = $700 an hour for an "average manager", not an owner, not a senior executive, an "average manager". $5600 a day, $39,200 a week, $78,400 a paycheck and finally just over FOUR MILLION dollars a year for an "average manager". This doesn't include bonuses! If we went with the $20 and hour guess this would be over 12 million dollars a year for an "average manager" I am an above manager and make about an "average managers" two week take. What am I doing wrong? Thank God that I don't live in Germany where I'd be making one tenth of what I get. Does anyone concider the FACT that American workers have the among the highest pay and productivity in the world? |
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fullclip, thanks for sharing the article! I've already downloaded a copy to share with people at my college and business associates. This will give me direction in my own business.
This article is a real eye-opener! [:(!] -RoadDog |
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Quoted:(: I've often wondered how much shipping costs are when they move stuff overseas. Why can't they just move executives overseas? In Germany average manager pay is appx 10 times avg. worker pay. In the US avg. manager pay is 100 times the avg worker pay. View Quote I am ready to apply for an "average manager" job at what-ever company is paying 100 times the average workers' pay. If the average worker makes $25K, the average manager makes $2.5 mil? [b]I'm THERE![/b] Edited because even though I'm an above average manager, I still can't make [b]Bold[/b] work. Pointy hair on! |
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US still makes cars, and the $10k $100k price is a whole lot more than the remaining combined items.
Anyone willing to make $1/hr sewing cloths? Or how about sewing cloths for minimum wage? PRK is a major wine producer and the quality exceeds what the French can make (hate picking toe-nails out of french wine) |
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I don't need a job. I have a "position" working for the state.
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People with "good paying jobs" are not going to be making alarm clocks, coffeepots, or electric razors.
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NO AR definitely has his figures confused, but the fact remains that disparity between the earnings of a typical US CEO and his typical floor employee vastly exceeds that of their European and Asian counterparts. From that perspective, the 100 times as much figure doesn't sound quite so out of line. I'd be willing to bet that the CEO of my employer took home $6,000,000 in earnings and benefits last year.
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Quoted: "In Germany average manager pay is appx 10 times avg. worker pay. In the US avg. manager pay is 100 times the avg worker pay." The BS flag is raised and is flying high. Let's figure shall we? Let's say that the "average" American worker makes minumim wage plus a few cents. Remember "average" counts 18 year old kids at McD's and union welders with 40 years - minimum wage plus a few cents, figure $7 an hour. I would guess closer to $20-25 an hour but let's just say $7. $7 x $100 = $700 an hour for an "average manager", not an owner, not a senior executive, an "average manager". $5600 a day, $39,200 a week, $78,400 a paycheck and finally just over FOUR MILLION dollars a year for an "average manager". This doesn't include bonuses! If we went with the $20 and hour guess this would be over 12 million dollars a year for an "average manager" I am an above manager and make about an "average managers" two week take. What am I doing wrong? Thank God that I don't live in Germany where I'd be making one tenth of what I get. Does anyone concider the FACT that American workers have the among the highest pay and productivity in the world? View Quote HA MADE YOU DO MATH ON A RIFLE SITE!! [:)] What I should have said was UPPER Management, All those guys with the alphabet titles CEO, CFO, CIO, M-I-C-K-E-Y, etc Or Jr Vice President President. By comparisoin to the rest of the world our over-seers are over payed.... Ask the exec's at PG+E if the earned their bonuses this year |
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Quoted: NO AR definitely has his figures confused, but the fact remains that disparity between the earnings of a typical US CEO and his typical floor employee vastly exceeds that of their European and Asian counterparts. From that perspective, the 100 times as much figure doesn't sound quite so out of line. I'd be willing to bet that the CEO of my employer took home $6,000,000 in earnings and benefits last year. View Quote I think I got the figures right just not the proper -terms- sorry, it was clear to me when I typed it.......that is usuallly a problem |
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I have read all the replies and have to say I agree with all of them.I don't pretend to know what the answers are,but have to wonder if the point of American industry now is to provide managers and CEO's with high dollars. Have we become too proud to be a worker anymore? Look at all the fancy names for garbage men now.I am not flaming garbage men, for as my job title has Engineering Tech. in it, I still fill potholes for the state for a living. When people learn what I do for pay, The reply is usually someone has to do it. Even in the most advanced society, there has to be the common worker. But remember, that doesn't make him a common man.
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I think part of the problem is poor work ethic, poor work skills, and the quest for money.
I'm not great, but it seems to me the older folks work a lot harder and the younger folks try to figure out what is the minimun amount of work they can do and get by. And then they try to figure out how the can get the standard changed so they can do less. Plus younger people seem to know how to do everything computer related, but don' ask them to make change...... It seems work/life skills are diminishing as computers take over more and more tasks...... Sorry, rant mode off, next time I'll try to warn you first. [;)] |
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Quoted:(: I think part of the problem is poor work ethic, poor work skills, and the quest for money. I agree with that, but could it come from wanting our children to have it easier than us? I want that also, but push more to have a job that you enjoy, even if it is manual labor.I try to teach mine to do their best at whatever they do, and a honest days work for the pay. I will provide the best education possible and trust them from there. |
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Quoted: My Bushmaster is made in the USA!!!!!!!! View Quote I wonder if they are hiring? |
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It would be nice to work at a place that builds the rifle you love and enjoy. Probably get an employee discount too!
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but could it come from wanting our children to have it easier than us? I want that also, but push more to have a job that you enjoy, even if it is manual labor.I try to teach mine to do their best at whatever they do, and a honest days work for the pay. I will provide the best education possible and trust them from there. View Quote I thought that we wanted our children to have it better, not neccesarily easier. I agree with the rest. I think that part of the problem is that too many people think that "I" is the most important person in the world. If we look back 1900-2000 I think that every generation of americans remembered a major war, Civil, WWI, and WWII, that pulled the country together and made people realize they were an individual that had rights and duty. I think we are being hit with the Vietnam 60's junk we should all do what we want.... I'm not that old but my parents were born around WWII and were raised by parents that lived through that and the depression. I think it makes a difference. |
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NO-AR, I agree fully. My dad made a landing in France in WWII and went on to Germany. His attitude and ideas were different from anything I see now. They will be missed.
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One of the liberals (socialist) primary weapons against conservatives is the class war. Over and over again it has been used to raise my taxes. Every time the liberals say workingmen and women need something I know that I’m taking it in the shorts. I work for a living too, and trust me, much harder than most workingmen that I know.
Our “poor” workingmen and women still make a metric butt ton more money than the poor of other countries. Don't fall into this simple trap. Unlike socialist states there is nothing except your talents and drive standing between you and a good life. Dropped out of school, have no education, no drive, no motivation short of where’s that nice cold six pack coming from… don't go taking my life energy out of my pocket for something more that you don't deserve. Quit taking food off of my table for yours using the strong arm of the government. Want to compare the "average construction worker" in Thailand to one in Chicago? The daily wage in Thailand working concrete in Bangkok is 100 to 120B a ten-hour day. That's under $5. When you don’t work in Thailand you starve. I would guess that the average construction worker in Chicago is bring home more money that this manager. I’ve been around the world a number of times on Uncle Sam’s dime. Go look at what you’re asking for before you open your mouth again. Socialism is what you want and it sucks. Look at Africa and Eastern Europe for some good examples. |
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While I agree that trade needs to be fair, let me be the lone voice of dissention here.
I don't see anyone running out to buy the more expensive US product. Look at the flip side, instead of spending $279 on a VCR, you spend $79 and that $200 goes towards something else. If it's so bad, why is the US economy humming along? Why is it so hard to hire good help and keep them employed? There is no labor shortage in this country. As long as we don't do trade with countries that have "slave" labor, free trade is a good thing. Unfortunately, most of our trade is with countries that have slave labor. |
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Quoted: One of the liberals (socialist) primary weapons against conservatives is the class war. Over and over again it has been used to raise my taxes. Every time the liberals say workingmen and women need something I know that I’m taking it in the shorts. I work for a living too, and trust me, much harder than most workingmen that I know. Our “poor” workingmen and women still make a metric butt ton more money than the poor of other countries. Don't fall into this simple trap. Unlike socialist states there is nothing except your talents and drive standing between you and a good life. Dropped out of school, have no education, no drive, no motivation short of where’s that nice cold six pack coming from… don't go taking my life energy out of my pocket for something more that you don't deserve. Quit taking food off of my table for yours using the strong arm of the government. Want to compare the "average construction worker" in Thailand to one in Chicago? The daily wage in Thailand working concrete in Bangkok is 100 to 120B a ten-hour day. That's under $5. When you don’t work in Thailand you starve. I would guess that the average construction worker in Chicago is bring home more money that this manager. I’ve been around the world a number of times on Uncle Sam’s dime. Go look at what you’re asking for before you open your mouth again. Socialism is what you want and it sucks. Look at Africa and Eastern Europe for some good examples. View Quote Yeah the US sure looks good when you compare it to Bangladesh and Botswana. The problem is that when you compare it to other western industrialized countries, the fact is that the american worker has taken it in the shorts over the last couple of decades. Despite the enormous economic growth over the past 10 years in the US economy, real wages (adjusted buying power) for the lower half of all income earners in the US has not increased at all, and in many cases it has decreased. However, an enormous amount of wealth has been created - practially all of which has gone to the top income earners. Look at what's happening right now. All sorts of tax breaks are going to happen - all based on the justification that the "average joe" needs a break - whereas in reality the avergae family will get a small token break, and the rich guys will be laughing all the way to the bank. Remember the "death tax"? It will ONLY benefit rich people who inherit other rich people - there had never been a documented case of a family farm or business being lost because of this tax which should be called the "rich kid's tax". Democrat or republican - the system is not designed to help the american worker - and the original story in this thread is the result. |
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