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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:56:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/25/2014 1:09:47 AM EDT by bob1946]
Joseph thought it was an April Fools' joke.

It was April 1, 2011, when Joseph, a White Plains defense attorney, got a call from the Westchester District Attorney's Office telling him they wouldn't be able to prosecute his client on felony drug charges. The evidence — nearly 100 Oxycodone pills — had been lost by New York State Police in Hawthorne.

According to the Albany Times Union, the barracks were the target of a two-year internal affairs investigation sparked by missing or stolen evidence — including cocaine and prescription medicine.

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/2014/04/21/lost-evidence-leads-reduced-charge-local-case/7992485/

The State Police kept secret an evidence-handling scandal that erupted in 2011 at the Hawthorne barracks in which drugs and other evidence were lost, leading to botched prosecutions, the retirement of two senior investigators and the forced resignation of a trooper accused of lying to internal affairs investigators.

The only person arrested in the investigation was a nurse who is married to a former senior investigator.

She was implicated for forging dozens of prescriptions for painkillers as her husband, who abruptly retired, was a target in the theft of similar drugs from an evidence locker.

the investigation never determined who was responsible for the missing evidence, including nearly five ounces of cocaine

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/21/state-police-troop-k-hawthorne-lost-evidence-report/7960093/
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 10:12:41 PM EDT
It's not a substance abuse problem if your doctor prescribes it to you.

And the cocaine is prob being used for a turn-of-the century living history museum in their dental practices exhibit.

Link Posted: 4/24/2014 10:19:07 PM EDT
These things happen.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 10:21:05 PM EDT
Sounds like someone's having a party
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In before the thin white line.

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Watch for the flyers for a house party
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol
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Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case.

The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol
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I got a whole lot more than that in my hall closet
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Originally Posted By COCKEDANDGLOCKED:

Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case.

The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence.
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Originally Posted By COCKEDANDGLOCKED:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol

Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case.

The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence.


Sounds like my friends mom's week when I was a kid.

The scary part is she drove us around all the time.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol
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"the investigation never determined who was responsible for the missing evidence, including nearly five ounces of cocaine."

Five ounces of cocaine is a class A felony big deal.

2. Maximum term of sentence. The maximum term of an indeterminate
sentence shall be at least three years and the term shall be fixed as
follows:
(a) For a class A felony, the term shall be life imprisonment
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 11:02:57 PM EDT
sounds like the start to an awesome weekend.
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The city back home had to pay 10,000 to some one who's money was taken from the evidence locker. The officer who took it gambled it all away along with his career.
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Originally Posted By RVAguy:
It's not a substance abuse problem if your doctor prescribes it to you.

And the cocaine is prob being used for a turn-of-the century living history museum in their dental practices exhibit.

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I'm not quite sure but I don't think you can fill your doctor's prescription from a police evidence locker. There also might be questions about prescribing 5 ounces of cocaine.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:


lol - love the edit to add that whole tidbit to the story, which wans't part of the original post I responded to

Ooooooh, five WHOLE ounces you say?

lol

Yeah, that whole War on Drugs will be won any day now. Just a little more Federal Funding and we'll win it!! C'mon big budgets!
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol


"the investigation never determined who was responsible for the missing evidence, including nearly five ounces of cocaine."

Five ounces of cocaine is a class A felony big deal.

2. Maximum term of sentence. The maximum term of an indeterminate
sentence shall be at least three years and the term shall be fixed as
follows:
(a) For a class A felony, the term shall be life imprisonment


lol - love the edit to add that whole tidbit to the story, which wans't part of the original post I responded to

Ooooooh, five WHOLE ounces you say?

lol

Yeah, that whole War on Drugs will be won any day now. Just a little more Federal Funding and we'll win it!! C'mon big budgets!


It was in the second link and if the police knew a non police officer had 5 ounces of cocaine I'm pretty sure they'd get a little more than a nice pension.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 11:48:08 PM EDT
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Found the coke:


COCAINE!

ETA: Found the pills too.


Mystery solved.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 12:24:05 AM EDT
A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!

Is Albany next to Mayberry?
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Originally Posted By Bullet_:
A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!

Is Albany next to Mayberry?
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More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use.
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Originally Posted By Bullet_:
A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!

Is Albany next to Mayberry?
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So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room?

It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 5:11:53 AM EDT
I am so shocked and surprised.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:


More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!

Is Albany next to Mayberry?


More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use.

Meh.



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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:


Sounds like my friends mom's week when I was a kid.

The scary part is she drove us around all the time.
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Originally Posted By COCKEDANDGLOCKED:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol

Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case.

The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence.


Sounds like my friends mom's week when I was a kid.

The scary part is she drove us around all the time.
Jesus, Mom knows how to party!
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 5:15:44 AM EDT
Cops always have the best dope.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:


More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!

Is Albany next to Mayberry?


More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use.


ever been to Phoenix?
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 5:16:17 AM EDT
Crooked cops in New Yoahk? Color me shocked.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 5:16:27 AM EDT
So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence?
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Originally Posted By Suicideking:


ever been to Phoenix?
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Originally Posted By Suicideking:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!

Is Albany next to Mayberry?


More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use.


ever been to Phoenix?

Go on...



*logs into Travelocity*
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 5:23:31 AM EDT
Isolated incident.
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"The girls come easy and the drugs come cheap"
Oh wrong group.
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Originally Posted By surveyor3:
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Based on my childhood, they also have the best fireworks


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Link Posted: 4/25/2014 5:39:31 AM EDT
Should be an easy one to solve, look for the guy sleeping at 100 MPH.
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Originally Posted By brian4wd:


I got a whole lot more than that in my hall closet
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Originally Posted By brian4wd:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol


I got a whole lot more than that in my hall closet
That's not the point. When cases get thrown out because of botched or stolen evidence then it points to a system that is badly broken. I have absolutely zero tolerance for people who pilfer the evidence locker. Don't lie on the stand, don't tamper with evidence, and

Wanna see a real panic set in? I once was around for the hilarity when two kilos of coke went missing from an evidence locker. The guy who figured out it was missing was going around trying to find someone to pin it on and threatened me with all sorts of prosecution when, in fact, my paperwork on the thing was flawless and filed in multiple copies in multiple locations. I was practically Holy on that one. Turns out the coke was transported to Federal Court in Cincinnati and on the return trip the officer in charge of it was killed in a pretty horrific traffic accident. The Ohio Highway Patrol cleaned out his car and took all the personal effects to his department and put them under a desk in a fairly public area. Two kilos of coke had been sitting under that desk in a brown paper sack for almost a year. After I tracked down the dope the asshole who was going to throw me in jail for it didn't have the decency to apologize. I wouldn't have even bothered looking but a fellow officer who I deeply respect was probably going to get set up for the whole affair and I kind of took that hard.
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Originally Posted By basicone:
So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence?
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Or better yet, "Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, how can we be sure that the evidence the State is presenting isn't the drugs that went "missing" from the evidence locker during a previous case? They apparently play fast and loose with the drugs down at the station house." The chain of custody in dealing with evidence has to be solid or someone gets turned loose.

The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book.
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Or better yet, "Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, how can we be sure that the evidence the State is presenting isn't the drugs that went "missing" from the evidence locker during a previous case? They apparently play fast and loose with the drugs down at the station house." The chain of custody in dealing with evidence has to be solid or someone gets turned loose.

The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book.
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Originally Posted By jeepnstein:
Originally Posted By basicone:
So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence?
Or better yet, "Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, how can we be sure that the evidence the State is presenting isn't the drugs that went "missing" from the evidence locker during a previous case? They apparently play fast and loose with the drugs down at the station house." The chain of custody in dealing with evidence has to be solid or someone gets turned loose.

The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book.



No judge is going to let you make a statement like that to the jury without evidence to support it.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:


More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!

Is Albany next to Mayberry?


More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use.


You mean as an arbitrary limit set by you?
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No judge is going to let you make a statement like that to the jury without evidence to support it.
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Originally Posted By gonoles:
Originally Posted By jeepnstein:
Originally Posted By basicone:
So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence?
Or better yet, "Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, how can we be sure that the evidence the State is presenting isn't the drugs that went "missing" from the evidence locker during a previous case? They apparently play fast and loose with the drugs down at the station house." The chain of custody in dealing with evidence has to be solid or someone gets turned loose.

The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book.



No judge is going to let you make a statement like that to the jury without evidence to support it.



At this point, couldn't is be considered common knowledge that the local jurisdiction has a "local" supply for the purpose?
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At this point, couldn't is be considered common knowledge that the local jurisdiction has a "local" supply for the purpose?
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Originally Posted By basicone:
Originally Posted By gonoles:
Originally Posted By jeepnstein:
Originally Posted By basicone:
So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence?
Or better yet, "Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, how can we be sure that the evidence the State is presenting isn't the drugs that went "missing" from the evidence locker during a previous case? They apparently play fast and loose with the drugs down at the station house." The chain of custody in dealing with evidence has to be solid or someone gets turned loose.

The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book.



No judge is going to let you make a statement like that to the jury without evidence to support it.



At this point, couldn't is be considered common knowledge that the local jurisdiction has a "local" supply for the purpose?



I have never done criminal law but I would suspect it would be inadmissible, along the lines of prior bad acts. At best it might be allowed for impeachment purposes if their was already a chain of custody issue. The problem with any trial is that the jury will never hear more than about 10% of the story.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 7:08:42 AM EDT
I'm guessing their evidence room was as "secure" as ours was.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 7:15:53 AM EDT
" Lost Evidence ". Happens all the time. And in much larger amounts.



gd
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Originally Posted By COCKEDANDGLOCKED:
Jesus, Mom knows how to party!
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By COCKEDANDGLOCKED:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol

Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case.

The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence.


Sounds like my friends mom's week when I was a kid.

The scary part is she drove us around all the time.
Jesus, Mom knows how to party!


She was high most of the time.

Fell off a chair and was "disabled" for life
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Amazing. Not the theft, the justification/dismissal of it.

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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room?

It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed.


/this

Amazing. Not the theft, the justification/dismissal of it.



+1

Patients will get arrested if they have a loose Percocet in their pocket and the rest of the prescription bottle at home. $2500 retainer to an attorney to clean up the mess. But coke goes missing and it's no big deal. A single tablet of a controlled substance goes missing in the hospital and it's a big deal. Either it is a big deal or it is not. You can't have it be both.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 8:22:45 AM EDT
Cops are the only ones who should be allowed to carry 1/4 pounds of cocaine.
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So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room?

It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Bullet_:
A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!

Is Albany next to Mayberry?


So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room?

It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed.


Not purposefully missed, just purposefully obscured.
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Originally Posted By C-4:


+1

Patients will get arrested if they have a loose Percocet in their pocket and the rest of the prescription bottle at home. $2500 retainer to an attorney to clean up the mess. But coke goes missing and it's no big deal. A single tablet of a controlled substance goes missing in the hospital and it's a big deal. Either it is a big deal or it is not. You can't have it be both.
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Originally Posted By C-4:
Originally Posted By Paul:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room?

It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed.


/this

Amazing. Not the theft, the justification/dismissal of it.



+1

Patients will get arrested if they have a loose Percocet in their pocket and the rest of the prescription bottle at home. $2500 retainer to an attorney to clean up the mess. But coke goes missing and it's no big deal. A single tablet of a controlled substance goes missing in the hospital and it's a big deal. Either it is a big deal or it is not. You can't have it be both.


Sure you can!

If you're a cop.

Seriously, the 100 oxy pills? That much is probably STILL in Limbaugh's couch cushions.

But that won't stop the cops from hanging a felony on you, and then stealing the evidence, with attaboy's all around.

Link Posted: 4/25/2014 8:44:00 AM EDT
Myth or not, I'd rather have cocaine than caffeine in my Coca-Cola.

Legalize, let pharmacists sell it.
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