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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:56:57 PM EDT
Joseph thought it was an April Fools' joke.
It was April 1, 2011, when Joseph, a White Plains defense attorney, got a call from the Westchester District Attorney's Office telling him they wouldn't be able to prosecute his client on felony drug charges. The evidence — nearly 100 Oxycodone pills — had been lost by New York State Police in Hawthorne. According to the Albany Times Union, the barracks were the target of a two-year internal affairs investigation sparked by missing or stolen evidence — including cocaine and prescription medicine. http://www.lohud.com/story/news/2014/04/21/lost-evidence-leads-reduced-charge-local-case/7992485/ The State Police kept secret an evidence-handling scandal that erupted in 2011 at the Hawthorne barracks in which drugs and other evidence were lost, leading to botched prosecutions, the retirement of two senior investigators and the forced resignation of a trooper accused of lying to internal affairs investigators. The only person arrested in the investigation was a nurse who is married to a former senior investigator. She was implicated for forging dozens of prescriptions for painkillers as her husband, who abruptly retired, was a target in the theft of similar drugs from an evidence locker. the investigation never determined who was responsible for the missing evidence, including nearly five ounces of cocaine http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/21/state-police-troop-k-hawthorne-lost-evidence-report/7960093/ |
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It's not a substance abuse problem if your doctor prescribes it to you. And the cocaine is prob being used for a turn-of-the century living history museum in their dental practices exhibit. |
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Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case. The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case. The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence. Sounds like my friends mom's week when I was a kid. The scary part is she drove us around all the time. |
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100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol View Quote "the investigation never determined who was responsible for the missing evidence, including nearly five ounces of cocaine." Five ounces of cocaine is a class A felony big deal. 2. Maximum term of sentence. The maximum term of an indeterminate sentence shall be at least three years and the term shall be fixed as follows: (a) For a class A felony, the term shall be life imprisonment |
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"the investigation never determined who was responsible for the missing evidence, including nearly five ounces of cocaine." Five ounces of cocaine is a class A felony big deal. 2. Maximum term of sentence. The maximum term of an indeterminate sentence shall be at least three years and the term shall be fixed as follows: (a) For a class A felony, the term shall be life imprisonment View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol "the investigation never determined who was responsible for the missing evidence, including nearly five ounces of cocaine." Five ounces of cocaine is a class A felony big deal. 2. Maximum term of sentence. The maximum term of an indeterminate sentence shall be at least three years and the term shall be fixed as follows: (a) For a class A felony, the term shall be life imprisonment lol - love the edit to add that whole tidbit to the story, which wans't part of the original post I responded to Ooooooh, five WHOLE ounces you say? lol Yeah, that whole War on Drugs will be won any day now. Just a little more Federal Funding and we'll win it!! C'mon big budgets! |
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The city back home had to pay 10,000 to some one who's money was taken from the evidence locker. The officer who took it gambled it all away along with his career.
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It's not a substance abuse problem if your doctor prescribes it to you. And the cocaine is prob being used for a turn-of-the century living history museum in their dental practices exhibit. View Quote I'm not quite sure but I don't think you can fill your doctor's prescription from a police evidence locker. There also might be questions about prescribing 5 ounces of cocaine. |
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lol - love the edit to add that whole tidbit to the story, which wans't part of the original post I responded to Ooooooh, five WHOLE ounces you say? lol Yeah, that whole War on Drugs will be won any day now. Just a little more Federal Funding and we'll win it!! C'mon big budgets! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol "the investigation never determined who was responsible for the missing evidence, including nearly five ounces of cocaine." Five ounces of cocaine is a class A felony big deal. 2. Maximum term of sentence. The maximum term of an indeterminate sentence shall be at least three years and the term shall be fixed as follows: (a) For a class A felony, the term shall be life imprisonment lol - love the edit to add that whole tidbit to the story, which wans't part of the original post I responded to Ooooooh, five WHOLE ounces you say? lol Yeah, that whole War on Drugs will be won any day now. Just a little more Federal Funding and we'll win it!! C'mon big budgets! It was in the second link and if the police knew a non police officer had 5 ounces of cocaine I'm pretty sure they'd get a little more than a nice pension. |
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A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy!
Is Albany next to Mayberry? |
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Quoted: Sounds like my friends mom's week when I was a kid. The scary part is she drove us around all the time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case. The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence. Sounds like my friends mom's week when I was a kid. The scary part is she drove us around all the time. |
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More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy! Is Albany next to Mayberry? More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use. ever been to Phoenix? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy! Is Albany next to Mayberry? More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use. ever been to Phoenix? Go on... *logs into Travelocity*
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Police agencies lose evidence all the time, usually because of good ol' fashioned sloppiness.
Some of the losses are really dadgum convenient, though...like evidence against a local sports hero who was breaking into houses when he wasn't scoring touchdowns for his school. Etc. |
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Police agencies lose evidence all the time, usually because of good ol' fashioned sloppiness. Some of the losses are really dadgum convenient, though...like evidence against a local sports hero who was breaking into houses when he wasn't scoring touchdowns for his school. Etc. View Quote Just another day in jackson. http://www.wapt.com/news/jackson-police-search-for-clues-in-evidence-locker-theft/25648184 |
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"The girls come easy and the drugs come cheap"
Oh wrong group. |
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Should be an easy one to solve, look for the guy sleeping at 100 MPH.
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Just another day in jackson. http://www.wapt.com/news/jackson-police-search-for-clues-in-evidence-locker-theft/25648184 View Quote I'm not shocked. Some of the most pathetic security you'll ever see is from police agencies. I've seen the gate to an armory secured with a zip tie before. |
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Quoted: I got a whole lot more than that in my hall closet View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol I got a whole lot more than that in my hall closet Wanna see a real panic set in? I once was around for the hilarity when two kilos of coke went missing from an evidence locker. The guy who figured out it was missing was going around trying to find someone to pin it on and threatened me with all sorts of prosecution when, in fact, my paperwork on the thing was flawless and filed in multiple copies in multiple locations. I was practically Holy on that one. Turns out the coke was transported to Federal Court in Cincinnati and on the return trip the officer in charge of it was killed in a pretty horrific traffic accident. The Ohio Highway Patrol cleaned out his car and took all the personal effects to his department and put them under a desk in a fairly public area. Two kilos of coke had been sitting under that desk in a brown paper sack for almost a year. After I tracked down the dope the asshole who was going to throw me in jail for it didn't have the decency to apologize. I wouldn't have even bothered looking but a fellow officer who I deeply respect was probably going to get set up for the whole affair and I kind of took that hard. |
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Quoted: So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence? View Quote The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book. |
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Or better yet, "Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, how can we be sure that the evidence the State is presenting isn't the drugs that went "missing" from the evidence locker during a previous case? They apparently play fast and loose with the drugs down at the station house." The chain of custody in dealing with evidence has to be solid or someone gets turned loose. The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence? The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book. No judge is going to let you make a statement like that to the jury without evidence to support it. |
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More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy! Is Albany next to Mayberry? More than a quarter pound of cocaine is well beyond personal use. You mean as an arbitrary limit set by you? |
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No judge is going to let you make a statement like that to the jury without evidence to support it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence? The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book. No judge is going to let you make a statement like that to the jury without evidence to support it. At this point, couldn't is be considered common knowledge that the local jurisdiction has a "local" supply for the purpose? |
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At this point, couldn't is be considered common knowledge that the local jurisdiction has a "local" supply for the purpose? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, every coke bust in the area could be planted evidence? The whole War on Drugs is a farce, I'll grant that. But if the state is going to prosecute crimes they should darn well do it by the book. No judge is going to let you make a statement like that to the jury without evidence to support it. At this point, couldn't is be considered common knowledge that the local jurisdiction has a "local" supply for the purpose? I have never done criminal law but I would suspect it would be inadmissible, along the lines of prior bad acts. At best it might be allowed for impeachment purposes if their was already a chain of custody issue. The problem with any trial is that the jury will never hear more than about 10% of the story. |
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I'm guessing their evidence room was as "secure" as ours was.
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" Lost Evidence ". Happens all the time. And in much larger amounts.
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100 oxycodone? Big fucking deal. Lol Lol That's what I was thinking. Although I understand the evidentiary value and it does need to be investigated, 100 oxy pills will fit in an eyeglass case. The retired guy should be prosecuted if there's enough evidence. Sounds like my friends mom's week when I was a kid. The scary part is she drove us around all the time. She was high most of the time. Fell off a chair and was "disabled" for life |
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/this Amazing. Not the theft, the justification/dismissal of it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room? It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed. /this Amazing. Not the theft, the justification/dismissal of it. +1 Patients will get arrested if they have a loose Percocet in their pocket and the rest of the prescription bottle at home. $2500 retainer to an attorney to clean up the mess. But coke goes missing and it's no big deal. A single tablet of a controlled substance goes missing in the hospital and it's a big deal. Either it is a big deal or it is not. You can't have it be both. |
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Cops are the only ones who should be allowed to carry 1/4 pounds of cocaine.
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So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room? It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A whole 5 oz of coke and 100 pills! Well, goll-eeeee Andy! Is Albany next to Mayberry? So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room? It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed. Not purposefully missed, just purposefully obscured. |
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+1 Patients will get arrested if they have a loose Percocet in their pocket and the rest of the prescription bottle at home. $2500 retainer to an attorney to clean up the mess. But coke goes missing and it's no big deal. A single tablet of a controlled substance goes missing in the hospital and it's a big deal. Either it is a big deal or it is not. You can't have it be both. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So that's still within the acceptable amount to steal from the the evidence room? It's almost as though the point is being purposely missed. /this Amazing. Not the theft, the justification/dismissal of it. +1 Patients will get arrested if they have a loose Percocet in their pocket and the rest of the prescription bottle at home. $2500 retainer to an attorney to clean up the mess. But coke goes missing and it's no big deal. A single tablet of a controlled substance goes missing in the hospital and it's a big deal. Either it is a big deal or it is not. You can't have it be both. Sure you can! If you're a cop. Seriously, the 100 oxy pills? That much is probably STILL in Limbaugh's couch cushions. But that won't stop the cops from hanging a felony on you, and then stealing the evidence, with attaboy's all around. |
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Myth or not, I'd rather have cocaine than caffeine in my Coca-Cola.
Legalize, let pharmacists sell it. |
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I once spent a few days digging through some closets at the courthouse in Joliet, IL. Back in the day, any evidence that was introduced during a trial was kept by the court reporters; they worked for the county, so after the trial the county stored the evidence. Eventually they changed the rules so the police could retrieve the evidence at the end of the trial, but for many years it would pile up at the courthouse. I was doing some post-appeal work on an old, old murder case and had to try to find some documents.
Those closets were a gold mine of stuff. Guns, drugs, cash, you name it. I found kilos of coke that were leaking all over. Guns with no identifying marks regarding what case they were from. Baggies of who knows what pills. |
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