I found some interesting info while looking for information on Ernst Roehm and the SA:

www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html

Here is an interesting excerpt on the level of perversion in Nazi Germany:

The favorite meeting place of the SA was a "gay" bar in Munich called the Bratwurstglockl where Roehm kept a reserved table (Hohne:82). This was the same tavern where some of the earliest formative meetings of the Nazi Party had been held (Rector:69). At the Bratwurstglockl, Roehm and associates-Edmund Heines, Karl Ernst, Ernst's partner Captain Rohrbein, Captain Petersdorf, Count Ernst Helldorf and the rest-would meet to plan and strategize. These were the men who orchestrated the Nazi campaign of intimidation and terror. All of them were homosexual (Heiden:371).

Indeed, homosexuality was all that qualified many of these men for their positions in the SA. Heinrich Himmler would later complain of this: "Does it not constitute a danger to the Nazi movement if it can be said that Nazi leaders are chosen for sexual reasons?" (Gallo:57). Himmler was not so much opposed to homosexuality itself as to the fact that non- qualified people were given high rank based on their homosexual relations with Roehm and others. For example, SA Obergruppenfuhrer (Lieutenant General) Karl Ernst, a militant homosexual, had been a hotel doorman and a waiter before joining the SA. "Karl Ernst is not yet 35," writes Gallo, "he commands 250,000 men...he is simply a sadist, a common thug, transformed into a responsible official" (ibid.:50f).

This strange brand of nepotism was a hallmark of the SA. By 1933 the SA had grown far larger than the German army, yet the Vikingkorps (Officers' Corps) remained almost exclusively homosexual. "Roehm, as the head of 2,500,000 Storm Troops," writes historian H.R. Knickerbocker, "had surrounded himself with a staff of perverts. His chiefs, men of rank of Gruppenfuhrer or Obergruppenfuhrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual he had no chance of advancement" (Knickerbocker:55).

In the SA, the Community of the Special's Hellenic ideal of masculine homosexual supremacy and militarism was fully realized. "Theirs was a very masculine brand of homosexuality," writes homosexualist historian Alfred Rowse, "they lived in a male world, without women, a world of camps and marching, rallies and sports. They had their own relaxations, and the Munich SA became notorious on account of them" (Rowse:214). The similarity of the SA to Freidlander and Brand's dream of Hellenic revival is not coincidental. In Gay American History, Jonathan Katz writes that Roehm was a prominent member of the Society for Human Rights (SHR), an offshoot of the CS (J.Katz:632).

The "relaxations" to which Rowse refers were, of course, the homosexual activities (many of them pederastic) for which the SA and the CS were both famous. Hohne writes that Roehm "used the SA for ends other than the purely political...Peter Granninger, who had been one of Roehm's partners...and was now given cover in the SA Intelligence Section. For a monthly salary of 200 marks he kept Roehm supplied with new friends, his main hunting ground being Geisela High School Munich; from this school he recruited no fewer than eleven boys, whom he first tried out and then took to Roehm" (Hohne:82).

Too much information.  

Quoted: Too much information.

Exactly, but important stuff to know when ppl. talk about "gay rights"...

Youre going to raise the dander of the 88 guys.

Quoted: Quoted: Too much information.   Exactly, but important stuff to know when ppl. talk about "gay rights"...

Yea......gay rights will turn us into a Nazi State.............right...............

Yup...lots of Nazis were homos.  Now, the real question is...was Herr Hitler one too?  Recent evidence indicates he might very well have been.

Quoted: Yup...lots of Nazis were homos.  Now, the real question is...was Herr Hitler one too?  Recent evidence indicates he might very well have been.

What recent discovery? Somebody find a distended, charred, and smoked asshole in the Reichskanzlerie(sp?)  garden?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Too much information.   Exactly, but important stuff to know when ppl. talk about "gay rights"... Yea......gay rights will turn us into a Nazi State.............right...............

Did I say that? No, however, you need to look for and understand hidden agendas. Ernst Roehm appears to me to be a source of inspiration for NAMBLA...

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Too much information.   Exactly, but important stuff to know when ppl. talk about "gay rights"... Yea......gay rights will turn us into a Nazi State.............right...............

+1

if you want to see true perversion first ask who started the "Nazi" (NSDAP) party.
then research the "Thule" society.
by all the Gods I hold holy and unholy, they were some twisted motherf***ers.
just saying.....
Midwinter

Quoted: Youre going to raise the dander of the 88 guys.

Better than raising the dander of the 81 guys...

I can't believe I clicked on a Nazi poofter thread.  

Hmmm, if NAZI's were homosexuals than why were homosexuals one of the first to be be rounded up and gassed?

Sounds to me like people trying to drag homosexuals down by equating them with NAZI's. Like Ward Churchill calling bond traders "little Eichmans" or DU calling Bush a modern Hitler.

Quoted: Hmmm, if NAZI's were homosexuals than why were homosexuals one of the first to be be rounded up and gassed? Sounds to me like people trying to drag homosexuals down by equating them with NAZI's. Like Ward Churchill calling bond traders "little Eichmans" or DU calling Bush a modern Hitler.

According to the estimates in the article, and from other things I have seen, 5,000-15,000 homosexuals were sent to concentration camps. This article makes the claim that less than one percent of all German homosexuals were exterminated, while 85% of all Jews in Europe were exterminated. There is quite a bit of difference in the numbers no matter how you look at it...

There also seems to have been a huge distinction in Nazi Germany between "butch" and "femme" gays...and I think it is very safe to say that Ernst Roehm was not in the latter group...

Here is a further excerpt:

Although homosexuals were never targeted for extermination, some were interned in Nazi work camps. The actual number of pink-triangle prisoners, estimated at 5,000-15,000 by Joan Ringelheim of the US Holocaust museum (Rose:40), was a tiny fraction of the total camp population. Of these, an undetermined percentage were heterosexuals falsely labeled as homosexuals. Homosexuals who died in the camps (mostly of disease and starvation) were "a small fraction of less than 1 percent" of homosexuals in Germany (S. Katz:146), compared to more than 85 percent of European Jewry exterminated in the gas chambers. More significantly, many of the guards and administrators responsible for the infamous concentration camp atrocities were homosexuals themselves, which negates the proposition that homosexuals in general were being persecuted and interned.

Quoted: Some of those uniforms were just a little too much to believe straight men designed them.

Interesting point...:  americandefenseleague.com/hilknow1.htm

Seems that Hugo Boss is the HK/Mauser of Nazi clothing...

Quoted: The favorite meeting place of the SA was a "gay" bar in Munich called the Bratwurstglockl where Roehm kept a reserved table (Hohne:82).

There it is. Proof that Glocks are teh ghey!

Quoted: Quoted: The favorite meeting place of the SA was a "gay" bar in Munich called the Bratwurstglockl where Roehm kept a reserved table (Hohne:82). There it is. Proof that Glocks are teh ghey!

LOL...and they are Austrian, just like Hilter...very, very interesting!

Quoted: Quoted: The favorite meeting place of the SA was a "gay" bar in Munich called the Bratwurstglockl where Roehm kept a reserved table (Hohne:82). There it is. Proof that Glocks are teh ghey!

I was just fixin' to comment on how appropriate the name "Bratwurstglockl" is for a gay bar  – "Glockl" definitely sounds like a noise that Hans would make while swallowing Franz's "bratwurst"...

Rohm was killed during the Night of the Long Knives by Hitler for a couple of reasons. The main one was because Rohm was trying (or perceived to be) to sieze control of the Nazi party. The second was because he was gay, and Hitler hated gays., although he had ignored their preferences for a long time, because they helped him come to power.  This curbed the power of the SA and helpded Hitler secure the backing of the Army who felt threatend by the SA.  In its place the SS now was the elite of the party and headed by Himmler.  

Gay Nazis, sounds like a Mel Brooks movie.

Quoted: Gay Nazis, sounds like a Mel Brooks movie.

all they need are ice skates

Funny that the site you pulled this "history" from is Leadership U, which also links to a bunch of antigay site like NARTH, EXODUS etc.

We must be sensitive to the gays -- even when they try to flaunt their sick way of life in our face and make fun of us straight people.......  

Oh and the unoffical "father" of NAMBLA was Allen Ginsberg.

Quoted: Funny that the site you pulled this "history" from is Leadership U, which also links to a bunch of antigay site like NARTH, EXODUS etc.

Good point, but you have to look at a multitude of sources...I highly doubt gay rights orginizations and groups want to dig deep into the sexual tendencies of many of the top Nazis. While a fundamentalist Christian site such as the one I linked has an agenda for the purpose of such research, don't understimate the agenda the gay lobby has in including themselves as victims of the Holocaust on the same level as the Jews.

BIG POINT HERE: There is a lot of proof that many, many of the top Nazis were gay...however, besides Hitler (meaning the theories that are out there about his heritage), name the elite Jewish Nazis?

Apples and Oranges...and I for one don't like militant gays equating themselves to Jews in the Holocaust...they weren't the same...

Quoted: Quoted: Funny that the site you pulled this "history" from is Leadership U, which also links to a bunch of antigay site like NARTH, EXODUS etc. Good point, but you have to look at a multitude of sources...I highly doubt gay rights orginizations and groups want to dig deep into the sexual tendencies of many of the top Nazis. While a fundamentalist Christian site such as the one I linked has an agenda for the purpose of such research, don't understimate the agenda the gay lobby has in including themselves as victims of the Holocaust on the same level as the Jews. BIG POINT HERE: There is a lot of proof that many, many of the top Nazis were gay...however, besides Hitler (meaning the theories that are out there about his heritage), name the elite Jewish Nazis? Apples and Oranges...and I for one don't like militant gays equating themselves to Jews in the Holocaust...they weren't the same...

Actually yes we do look at the "GAY NAZI" issue, check out the book the Pink Triangle by Richard Planet. It talks about gay camp guards , the SA and Ernst Roehm . By the way homosexuality was banned before Hitler [Paragraph 175] and by 1943 Hitlers directive to Himmler was "any member of the SS caught in a homosexual act should be sent to the camps and shot while attempting to escape"

BIG POINT HERE: There is a lot of proof that many, many of the top Nazis were gay...however, besides Hitler (meaning the theories that are out there about his heritage), name the elite Jewish Nazis?

And there is proof that many Jews helped the Nazi kill other Jews......sometimes you are your own worse emeny. Also I have never seen anything from the gay groups that said "we" killed in the same numbers as the Jews. This has nothing to do with the SA or gay camp guards..."we" just hide better than the Jews did.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Too much information.   Exactly, but important stuff to know when ppl. talk about "gay rights"... Yea......gay rights will turn us into a Nazi State.............right............... +1 if you want to see true perversion first ask who started the "Nazi" (NSDAP) party. then research the "Thule" society. by all the Gods I hold holy and unholy, they were some twisted motherf***ers. just saying..... Midwinter

Example?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Funny that the site you pulled this "history" from is Leadership U, which also links to a bunch of antigay site like NARTH, EXODUS etc. Good point, but you have to look at a multitude of sources...I highly doubt gay rights orginizations and groups want to dig deep into the sexual tendencies of many of the top Nazis. While a fundamentalist Christian site such as the one I linked has an agenda for the purpose of such research, don't understimate the agenda the gay lobby has in including themselves as victims of the Holocaust on the same level as the Jews. BIG POINT HERE: There is a lot of proof that many, many of the top Nazis were gay...however, besides Hitler (meaning the theories that are out there about his heritage), name the elite Jewish Nazis? Apples and Oranges...and I for one don't like militant gays equating themselves to Jews in the Holocaust...they weren't the same... Actually yes we do look at the "GAY NAZI" issue, check out the book the Pink Triangle by Richard Planet. It talks about gay camp guards , the SA and Ernst Roehm . By the way homosexuality was banned before Hitler [Paragraph 175] and by 1943 Hitlers directive to Himmler was "any member of the SS caught in a homosexual act should be sent to the camps and shot while attempting to escape"

Funny how you link a book written on the same subject, that touches the same issues, but it is from I take it a pro gay slant, rather than as you are assuming my link was from an anti-gay slant? I honestly don't have time for the territorial pissings of special interest groups, my main reason for linking the article was to put forth a tidbit of history that many might not know...

Honestly I could give a rats ass if someone is gay or not, I just actually find the hypocrisy of the Nazi regime in their attitude and actions towards gays interesting...ie, they were tolerated unless it was a political event (Night of Long Knives) or propaganda bolstering (killing a small percentage of homosexuals in concentration camps).

Now, obviously bringing up the fact that there were many gay Nazis could ruffle the feathers of some...much as the same way talking about Hitler's sexual tendencies could offend those that sleep with their neice or partake in skat...all I can say is a big oh well...

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Funny that the site you pulled this "history" from is Leadership U, which also links to a bunch of antigay site like NARTH, EXODUS etc. Good point, but you have to look at a multitude of sources...I highly doubt gay rights orginizations and groups want to dig deep into the sexual tendencies of many of the top Nazis. While a fundamentalist Christian site such as the one I linked has an agenda for the purpose of such research, don't understimate the agenda the gay lobby has in including themselves as victims of the Holocaust on the same level as the Jews. BIG POINT HERE: There is a lot of proof that many, many of the top Nazis were gay...however, besides Hitler (meaning the theories that are out there about his heritage), name the elite Jewish Nazis? Apples and Oranges...and I for one don't like militant gays equating themselves to Jews in the Holocaust...they weren't the same... Actually yes we do look at the "GAY NAZI" issue, check out the book the Pink Triangle by Richard Planet. It talks about gay camp guards , the SA and Ernst Roehm . By the way homosexuality was banned before Hitler [Paragraph 175] and by 1943 Hitlers directive to Himmler was "any member of the SS caught in a homosexual act should be sent to the camps and shot while attempting to escape" Funny how you link a book written on the same subject, that touches the same issues, but it is from I take it a pro gay slant, rather than as you are assuming my link was from an anti-gay slant? I honestly don't have time for the territorial pissings of special interest groups, my main reason for linking the article was to put forth a tidbit of history that many might not know... Honestly I could give a rats ass if someone is gay or not, I just actually find the hypocrisy of the Nazi regime in their attitude and actions towards gays interesting...ie, they were tolerated unless it was a political event (Night of Long Knives) or propaganda bolstering (killing a small percentage of homosexuals in concentration camps). Now, obviously bringing up the fact that there were many gay Nazis could ruffle the feathers of some...much as the same way talking about Hitler's sexual tendencies could offend those that sleep with their neice or partake in skat...all I can say is a big oh well...

Easy there killer.....

Quoted: Hmmm, if NAZI's were homosexuals than why were homosexuals one of the first to be be rounded up and gassed? Sounds to me like people trying to drag homosexuals down by equating them with NAZI's. Like Ward Churchill calling bond traders "little Eichmans" or DU calling Bush a modern Hitler.

There is good reason to think that many in the SA were homosexual.

Keep in mind, the SS took down the SA in the "Night of the Long Knives". The SA was encroching on the German Army, and Hitler needed the Army. Roehm may have been taken out by the SS while he was in bed with his male lover. In the "Night of the Long Knives", everyone ('cept the SA) got what they wanted: the SS replaced the SA, the Army got rid of the SA without getting its hands dirty, and Hitler won the Army's oath.

The National Socialists were really quite "progressive". That is to say, they were a leftist movement. They became more conservative as they went on, perhaps to appeal to the conservative military. An anti-gay agenda may have evolved.

To add more detail, the SA (brownshirts) wanted to replace the Army. Obviously, the Army didn't like that. The Army was the strongest force in Germany, but had a tradition of staying out of politics.

Himmler's SS (blackshirts) became an important force in Germany when they took out the SA. It is entirly possible that the SA was riddled with gays and the SS was rabidly antihomosexual. Even Nazis are not cardboard figures with one fixed set of one dimensional beliefs.

Quoted: To add more detail, the SA (brownshirts) wanted to replace the Army. Obviously, the Army didn't like that. The Army was the strongest force in Germany, but had a tradition of staying out of politics.

Are you sure the Army at the time was bigger? It is my understanding that in the early days of the Nazi regime the Army was still very weak from its Weimar days...

Quoted: Quoted: To add more detail, the SA (brownshirts) wanted to replace the Army. Obviously, the Army didn't like that. The Army was the strongest force in Germany, but had a tradition of staying out of politics. Are you sure the Army at the time was bigger? It is my understanding that in the early days of the Nazi regime the Army was still very weak from its Weimar days...

The SA might have been bigger, but it was really little more than a goon militia. It lacked the organization, professionalism, and institutional knowledge of the Army.

www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-roehm.htm

So, Nazis were homosexuals and helped bring to power an organization that tried to destroy the world.
90% all the sexual abuse of children in the Church was committed by homosexuals.
Hundreds of thousands of lives (many of them innocent) lost and hundreds of billions of tax dollars wasted on a disease that is 100% preventable and still primarily spread through homosexual sodomy.

More "tolerance" anyone?

Quoted: So, Nazis were homosexuals and helped bring to power an organization that tried to destroy the world. 90% all the sexual abuse of children in the Church was committed by homosexuals. Hundreds of thousands of lives (many of them innocent) lost and hundreds of billions of tax dollars wasted on a disease that is 100% preventable and still primarily spread through homosexual sodomy. More "tolerance" anyone?

so what do you think would be a "good fix" for the problem there Belloc ?

Quoted: Quoted: So, Nazis were homosexuals and helped bring to power an organization that tried to destroy the world. 90% all the sexual abuse of children in the Church was committed by homosexuals. Hundreds of thousands of lives (many of them innocent) lost and hundreds of billions of tax dollars wasted on a disease that is 100% preventable and still primarily spread through homosexual sodomy. More "tolerance" anyone? so what do you think would be a "good fix" for the problem there Belloc ?

The same "fix" that probably would have spared the world the horrors of WWII by preventing the gay nazis from coming to power, spread the truth.
NARTH is only "anti-gay" in as much as it is pro-truth. Even the man primarily responsible for removing homosexuality as a psychological deformitiy in the 70s has now even changed course and thinks it is something that can be treated and changed. But you won't hear that on the 6 o'clock news.


www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter032102.asp

"Despite the growing media consensus that Catholicism causes sodomy, an alternative view -- adopted by the Boy Scouts -- is that sodomites cause sodomy. (Assume all the usual disclaimers here about most gay men not molesting boys, most Muslims being peaceful, and so on.)

It is a fact that the vast majority of the abuser priests -- more than 90 percent -- are accused of molesting teen-age boys. Indeed, the overwhelmingly homosexual nature of the abuse prompted The New York Times to engage in its classic "Where's Waldo" reporting style, in which the sex of the victims is studiedly hidden amid a torrent of genderless words, such as the "teen-ager," the "former student," the "victim" and the "accuser."

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, Nazis were homosexuals and helped bring to power an organization that tried to destroy the world. 90% all the sexual abuse of children in the Church was committed by homosexuals. Hundreds of thousands of lives (many of them innocent) lost and hundreds of billions of tax dollars wasted on a disease that is 100% preventable and still primarily spread through homosexual sodomy. More "tolerance" anyone? so what do you think would be a "good fix" for the problem there Belloc ? The same "fix" that probably would have spared the world the horrors of WWII by preventing the gay nazis from coming to power, spread the truth. NARTH is only "anti-gay" in as much as it is pro-truth. Even the man primarily responsible for removing homosexuality as a psychological deformitiy in the 70s has now even changed course and thinks it is something that can be treated and changed. But you won't hear that on the 6 o'clock news. www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter032102.asp "Despite the growing media consensus that Catholicism causes sodomy, an alternative view -- adopted by the Boy Scouts -- is that sodomites cause sodomy. (Assume all the usual disclaimers here about most gay men not molesting boys, most Muslims being peaceful, and so on.) It is a fact that the vast majority of the abuser priests -- more than 90 percent -- are accused of molesting teen-age boys. Indeed, the overwhelmingly homosexual nature of the abuse prompted The New York Times to engage in its classic "Where's Waldo" reporting style, in which the sex of the victims is studiedly hidden amid a torrent of genderless words, such as the "teen-ager," the "former student," the "victim" and the "accuser."

All that bs is all very cute Belloc.....but doesn't answer the question. I'm bored with all the "PC" crap that NARTH and the other antigay groups put out. Come on Belloc lay it out for me.....what is the answer to the "Gay problem"?

StonerStudent, I've got to give you credit bud.  You are probably on one of the most homophobic sites on the internet, but you give as good as you get........so to speak.

Of course they were a gay. Only gay men dress that sharp. Only a gay man would think of getting Hugo Boss to design a uniform.

Quoted: StonerStudent, I've got to give you credit bud.  You are probably on one of the most homophobic sites on the internet, but you give as good as you get........so to speak.

I don't beleive it's that bad...if I did I would have quit long ago. And besides when they start blaming gays for WWII it's an act of desperation. They are losing and they know it

Quoted: All that bs is all very cute Belloc.....but doesn't answer the question. I'm bored with all the "PC" crap that NARTH and the other antigay groups put out. Come on Belloc lay it out for me.....what is the answer to the "Gay problem"?

What is "cute" is that you somehow think that denying something without being able to refute it convinces anyone that you are telling the truth, (or even know what the hell you're talking about), when it is more than obvious that you are not.
So let's see if you can pull yourself out of second grade and try to refute any of those three points.
And in case your comprehension really is as bad as it seems here are a few examples of your arguing ability:
"All that bs about gravity is cute...but"
"All that bs about thermal dynamics is cute...but"
"All that bs about the right to keep and bear arms is cute...but"
Doesn't really work does it.

But here is a few more for you.
Everyone on this board has less money in their pocket every year because of higher health insurance premiums caused by a disease that is STILL primarlly spread through homosexual sodomy. In fact take away homosexuals sodomizing each other (literally to death), bisexuality, IV drug use and cases spread through prostitution and this thing is barely a blip on the radar.

Not even the liberal homosexual sodomy promoting media has tried to deny that over 90% of the abuse cases were committed by homosexuals.

In Cali they are now teaching even to first and second graders that men commiting acts of sodomy on each other is "normal".

There has NEVER been a case in any society in history where acceptance of homosexuality and widespread pederasty committed by homosexuals did not exist at the same time.

Quoted: Quoted: StonerStudent, I've got to give you credit bud.  You are probably on one of the most homophobic sites on the internet, but you give as good as you get........so to speak. I don't beleive it's that bad...if I did I would have quit long ago. And besides when they start blaming gays for WWII it's an act of desperation. They are losing and they know it

Yeah, sure, that is why in the last election the homosexuals lost in every single state that had an issue about it on the ballot.

NAZI's and Gayness?

Do a Google search for 'Tom of Finland'……

You will never look at the Nazi's favorite dress style of peaked caps, riding britches and leather jackets the same again!

ANdy

How to piss of Nazis:Tell them that Hitler and his boys were fudgepackers,then stand back and watch the poo nuggets fly.

How to piss off homos:Tell them that hitler and his boys were fudgepackers,then stand back and watch the poo nuggets fly.


Moral:Homosexual Nazis are knights in shining armor who are sterling examples of manhood and honor.

Reality: Homos and Nazis are socialy redundant and offer little to the gene pool for the overall survival of the human race.  

Quoted: How to piss of Nazis:Tell them that Hitler and his boys were fudgepackers,then stand back and watch the poo nuggets fly. How to piss off homos:Tell them that hitler and his boys were fudgepackers,then stand back and watch the poo nuggets fly. Moral:Homosexual Nazis are knights in shining armor who are sterling examples of manhood and honor. Reality: Homos and Nazis are socialy redundant and offer little to the gene pool for the overall survival of the human race.

Amazingly prescient!  

Isnt there a correlation between homophoibic words and actions and a secret desire to be gay?
I always thought the most fervent anti homo sexuals. Were actually not comfortable with there man hood. Im straight homosexuals are no threat to me. Maybe your gay belloc.

Quoted: I read somewhere that Hermann Goering was a homosexual. Anyone else ever hear anything like that?

Yup.  Actually, he was bi-sexual.  He was married but was reportedly playing around with boyz too later in life...just like many of the Nazi hierarchy.