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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:21:22 PM EDT
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Well, this didn't become "Über" popular (I kill myself) very quickly. Who really cares which side of the political spectrum should claim the system? National Socialism, aka Nazism, is not good and caused a lot of destruction and misery.
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And at the historical basis, National Socialism is right wing.


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Originally Posted By TylerF:
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And at the historical basis, National Socialism is right wing.


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And at the historical basis, National Socialism is right wing.



He's right, remember the American Industrialists loved Hitler, especially Henry Ford
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Originally Posted By TylerF:
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And at the historical basis, National Socialism is right wing.


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And at the historical basis, National Socialism is right wing.




It doesn't matter how right you might be...GD will insist that only liberals, communists, and Muslims can do bad things...
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:29:22 PM EDT
National socialism is coming down the tracks full speed ahead.
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Originally Posted By TylerF:
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And at the historical basis, National Socialism is right wing.


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Originally Posted By TylerF:
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And at the historical basis, National Socialism is right wing.




How so? I always thought it was nationalism combined with socialism with a little bit of existentialism thrown in. Only one of those is associated with the right.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:31:50 PM EDT
It's sort of both.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:33:07 PM EDT
It all depends on which angle you look at it from.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:33:43 PM EDT
at least it's an ethos.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:33:49 PM EDT
It is a name, Hitler blew smoke up up everyone's ass
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:33:56 PM EDT
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.
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see that word socialism? Ignore what comes before it.

That'll clue you in.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:35:32 PM EDT
. . . the worst idea since candlelight proctology .
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:36:14 PM EDT
It's a mix of both.
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Left

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QFT.
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+1

Better than nihilism
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Where did you get that from?
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It makes the "middle ground" the only "reasonable" place to be, while slowly pushing the "middle" further and further to the left.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:40:59 PM EDT
Socialism is leftist.

Putting the word "national" in front of it does not change that.

The Dems love to paint "national socialism" as being right wing so they can claim that the right in this country are a bunch of Nazis.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:43:09 PM EDT
Politics isn't simple or one-dimensional. There's more than two ways of looking at things.
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Naturally, that's why it's usually only the left wing people who advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.
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I was under the impression that the Nazi public mania was fueled by the image they were standing up to the oppression committed after WWI and the social injustices perceived. They believed they were the victims of Europe and were diehard statists. The Jewish were the scapegoat, seen as successful and thieving of what the Germans deserved.

Perhaps the left has changed their agenda to curry votes, but it looks similar to me.
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Originally Posted By Sturmgeist:


Where did you get that from?
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Originally Posted By Sturmgeist:
Originally Posted By Ruun:
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.


Where did you get that from?


This video explains this concept well.

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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
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And neither in the current context.
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Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:


How so? I always thought it was nationalism combined with socialism with a little bit of existentialism thrown in. Only one of those is associated with the right.
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Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
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And at the historical basis, National Socialism is right wing.




How so? I always thought it was nationalism combined with socialism with a little bit of existentialism thrown in. Only one of those is associated with the right.
Nazi'ism is a weird mix of everything, but has it's basis in Nationalism and is a reactionary movement by nature, which historically have always been hallmarks of rightest political movements.

I don't buy into this rather revisionist, linear scale based on economic freedom that for some reason has become so popular in modern American politics.
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Naturally, that's why it's usually the left wing people never advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Ruun:
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.



Naturally, that's why it's usually the left wing people never advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.


Modern leftism in the US is very fascistic. They may not want people singing the national anthem or saying the pledge, but if you don't buy into their version of progress they will ostracize and persecute you.
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:



Naturally, that's why it's usually the left wing people never advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Ruun:
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.



Naturally, that's why it's usually the left wing people never advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.


Dude, run on sentence. It's 2014, not 1776. We don't use so many commas. Can you reword your response?
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Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:


Modern leftism in the US is very fascistic. They may not want people singing the national anthem or saying the pledge, but if you don't buy into their version of progress they will ostracize and persecute you.
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Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Ruun:
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.



Naturally, that's why it's usually the left wing people never advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.


Modern leftism in the US is very fascistic. They may not want people singing the national anthem or saying the pledge, but if you don't buy into their version of progress they will ostracize and persecute you.


The idea that political extremists of any stripe don't do that to those they disagree with, is laughable.
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Originally Posted By Ruun:


Dude, run on sentence. It's 2014, not 1776. We don't use so many commas. Can you reword your response?
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Originally Posted By Ruun:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Ruun:
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.



Naturally, that's why it's usually the left wing people never advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.


Dude, run on sentence. It's 2014, not 1776. We don't use so many commas. Can you reword your response?



Must be a leftist conspiracy.
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

The idea that political extremists of any stripe don't do that to those they disagree with, is laughable.
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Okay, I guess we're all fascists then.
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bad because I was told its bad even though I dont know what it is
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Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:

It makes the "middle ground" the only "reasonable" place to be, while slowly pushing the "middle" further and further to the left.
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Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
Originally Posted By Ruun:
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.

It makes the "middle ground" the only "reasonable" place to be, while slowly pushing the "middle" further and further to the left.


Like the guy who posted the image above, the USA is a constitutional republic. We do want a government. We want a severely limited government, restricted by a constitution, but we do not advocate anarchy because anarchy does not respect human rights. A constitutional republic's only job is to guarantee equal rights, not equal outcomes like leftists. Constitutional republics are way right of center, but not at the extreme right end.
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How could it be right-wing? I never understood this claim.
Hitler wasn't very big on individual rights and small government!
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"Hey, whatever it is, I'm with ARFCOM..."
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How could it be right-wing? I never understood this claim.
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neither is the "right wing" republican party. Increase military spending and pass laws based on religion
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Must be a leftist conspiracy.
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Originally Posted By Ruun:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Ruun:
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.



Naturally, that's why it's usually the left wing people never advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.


Dude, run on sentence. It's 2014, not 1776. We don't use so many commas. Can you reword your response?



Must be a leftist conspiracy.


Are you trying to have a discussion, or just be an ass? I believe you confuse Republicans/Democrats for Rightwing/Left Wing. That's incorrect. The GOP is full of moderate (statist) motherfuckers like John McCain but he isn't rightwing.
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Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:


Okay, I guess we're all fascists then.
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The idea that political extremists of any stripe don't do that to those they disagree with, is laughable.


Okay, I guess we're all fascists then.



That's the problem when you invent definitions for concepts as you go, you confuse yourself.

The idea that fascism uniquely possesses intolerance for different political beliefs, is simply laughable.
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:54:30 PM EDT
Can someone please imbed this video? GD severely needs the education.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODJfwa9XKZQ
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It is said that the left has changed their agenda to curry votes, but it looks similar to you.http://goo.gl/aASWRF
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Are you trying to have a discussion, or just be an ass? I believe you confuse Republicans/Democrats for Rightwing/Left Wing. That's incorrect. The GOP is full of moderate (statist) motherfuckers like John McCain but he isn't rightwing.
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Ruun:
The left to right political spectrum runs from full government control to limited government/anarchy. Nazis were statists, therefore, leftists. Misnaming nazism as right wing is a progressive lie that you guys seem to have fallen in.



Naturally, that's why it's usually the left wing people never advocate strong national militaries or wrap themselves in rhetoric about the "good old days" when the country was better - like when kids respected the flag and stood to say the pledge every morning, and people shut up and stood at attention for the national anthem at ballgames. Right wingers, on the other hand, are infamous for championing individual rights even when the expression of them runs contrary to social tradition - to include championing greater participation in society of ethnic minorities and homosexuals.


Dude, run on sentence. It's 2014, not 1776. We don't use so many commas. Can you reword your response?



Must be a leftist conspiracy.


Are you trying to have a discussion, or just be an ass? I believe you confuse Republicans/Democrats for Rightwing/Left Wing. That's incorrect. The GOP is full of moderate (statist) motherfuckers like John McCain but he isn't rightwing.


I'm mocking stupidity.
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Can you point to specific holes in my logic?
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:57:21 PM EDT
Depends on what group is calling themselves the National Socialist such and such.
Is it the The National Socialist German Workers' Party?
Or the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?
Or the National Socialist Party?
Or etcetera....
etcetera....
You see.... it is political buzzwording and more alphabet soup crap
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Originally Posted By IL2windhawk:
How could it be right-wing? I never understood this claim.
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Where does this come from?

Who came up with the idea that left=more government and right=less government?

For example, Anarchism has always been the most associated with radical-leftest movements, but somehow with this scale it becomes right-wing?

Political ideology isn't linear, and shouldn't be viewed as such.
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Not that you are capable of comprehending.
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