National Right-To-Carry Act Reintroduced

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Bama-Shooter You do your thing. I'll do mine. Joined Apr 2004 Posts 73408 EE Offline USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:49:59 AM EST The measure would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed carry permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms. http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2011/03/national-right-carry-act-reintroduced
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AJ-IN-JAX Joined Dec 2005 Posts 13915 EE Offline FL, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:52:28 AM EST Against. And that's my congressman.

TheTracker Joined May 2005 Posts 19724 EE Offline USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:52:40 AM EST So this should easily pass Congress now. The speaker will put it to a vote and all of the Republicans will vote yes.

TheTracker Joined May 2005 Posts 19725 EE Offline USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:53:18 AM EST Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Against. And that's my congressman. but... but ......he's a Republican.

ceverett Joined Apr 2008 Posts 4507 EE Offline ID, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:53:21 AM EST Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Against. And that's my congressman. facepalm.jpg Do you have a drivers license?

TrojanMan Member Joined May 2007 Posts 7721 EE Offline MD, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:54:31 AM EST [Last Edit: 3/16/2011 8:55:13 AM EST by TrojanMan] Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Against. And that's my congressman. I have yet to hear a sound reason why this is a bad idea. I'm honestly interested in why any gun rights proponent would/should be against this. Thanks in advance.

AJ-IN-JAX Joined Dec 2005 Posts 13916 EE Offline FL, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:54:34 AM EST I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones. And IMO we'd get fucked in during process.

FlyingIllini Joined Feb 2008 Posts 3137 EE Offline USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:55:37 AM EST Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones. And IMO we'd get fucked in during process. Wrong

ceverett Joined Apr 2008 Posts 4508 EE Offline ID, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:56:25 AM EST Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones. And IMO we'd get fucked in during process. Not true. Just like a DL, you would have to respect each states rules.

metalsaber The Mysterious Stranger Joined Sep 2004 Posts 18610 EE Offline PA, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:56:39 AM EST Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones. And IMO we'd get fucked in during process. I think thats my biggest fear. I want to be able to carry anywhere I go. However I'm sure the rules for getting a license will be near impossible if the dems have their way.
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Posted: 3/16/2011 8:57:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones.

And IMO we'd get fucked in during process.

I think thats my biggest fear. I want to be able to carry anywhere I go. However I'm sure the rules for getting a license will be near impossible if the dems have their way.

It's NOT a national license. It simply says that CCW must be treated as "Full faith and credit" just like a marriage license or a drivers license.

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Posted: 3/16/2011 8:57:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones.

And IMO we'd get fucked in during process.

I think thats my biggest fear. I want to be able to carry anywhere I go. However I'm sure the rules for getting a license will be near impossible if the dems have their way.

Do some of you people even bother to read this stuff ?

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Posted: 3/16/2011 8:58:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:

Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones.

And IMO we'd get fucked in during process.

I think thats my biggest fear. I want to be able to carry anywhere I go. However I'm sure the rules for getting a license will be near impossible if the dems have their way.

Do some of you people even bother to read this stuff ?

Maybe the have to pass it before they know what's in it.

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Posted: 3/16/2011 8:59:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones.

And IMO we'd get fucked in during process.

Why?

If one state allows carry on school grounds when picking up a child, but another state does not, it is simply the responsibility of the gun owner to know the laws in the place they are travelling to and obey them accordingly.

Some states have different speed limits for certain types of roads. Until recently, many states had different DUI thresholds. Some states have different laws about what can, cannot, or must be on your vehicle. It is the responsibility of the driver to follow each state's laws accordingly. Doesn't mean your driver's license isn't still valid.

I agree that a soup of different laws would be inconvenient to navigate and that such laws should be concise and well-advertized, but I don't see why national reciprocity, in and of itself, would pose a problem.

Hojo Joined Jun 2007 Posts 6039 EE Offline IN, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:59:25 AM EST Full faith and credit. Constitution and all that.

ARinKCMO "The truth is...." Joined Jul 2004 Posts 7955 EE Offline MO, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 8:59:36 AM EST If they do it like Driver's Licenses, Yes. If they do it like a Federal CCW license, No.
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ceverett Joined Apr 2008 Posts 4511 EE Offline ID, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 9:01:13 AM EST Originally Posted By ARinKCMO: If they do it like Driver's Licenses, Yes. If they do it like a Federal CCW license, No. That's what it is.

shan2 Joined Mar 2007 Posts 414 EE Offline MD, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 9:01:26 AM EST Originally Posted By ARinKCMO: If they do it like Driver's Licenses, Yes. If they do it like a Federal CCW license, No. +1

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Posted: 3/16/2011 9:02:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By ARinKCMO:
If they do it like Driver's Licenses, Yes.
If they do it like a Federal CCW license, No.

Jesus Christ you fucking people are lazy. Can't read a couple of paragraphs without talking nonsense.

All it does is provide reciprocity, meaning each state issues permits according to its own rules. When you cross a state line to a state that allows CCW you must abide by that states rules when you CCW. That is it.

Christ.

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Posted: 3/16/2011 9:02:53 AM EST

[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 9:09:58 AM EST by Daps]

Quick Question. Do states like Ca,IL,NJ,NY issue conceal permits?
If they do will that mean if they have a 10rnd mag limit and you visit the state will you have to have on 10rnd mags or no hollow points?

I'd like to have National Carry but I think they should also be some sort of consistency.

ETA:Ok I see the post above mine. Just will have to know the rules of the state before visiting. Pretty much what you have to do now.

I could see states like CA doing away with concealed permits unless you're LEO and then granting "celebs" LEO status

Jacobdw Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banan Joined Mar 2010 Posts 1570 EE Offline VA, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 9:03:14 AM EST ohhh pretty pretty please
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krpind ARFCOM Czar Joined May 2004 Posts 33846 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 9:04:51 AM EST All states issue some don't they? I know it is difficult to get them in like NYC or Chicago, but some people still have them correct?
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klinc Member Joined Sep 2006 Posts 3610 EE Offline FL, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 9:05:28 AM EST Would be nice... I would then get the wife off my back about going to New York state and go.

Firebird69 Freedom is Expensive Joined Aug 2006 Posts 7164 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 9:05:29 AM EST Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones. And IMO we'd get fucked in during process. I agree. State issue. ANYONE can get a drivers license. The system works great as it is.
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Posted: 3/16/2011 9:06:27 AM EST

[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 9:08:30 AM EST by klinc]

Originally Posted By krpind:
All states issue some don't they?

I know it is difficult to get them in like NYC or Chicago, but some people still have them correct?

I think Illinois and Michigan Wisconsin do not issue. All others have some kind of laws in place to get them although it may be about impossible in some states/places.

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Posted: 3/16/2011 9:08:27 AM EST

[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 9:11:04 AM EST by AJ-IN-JAX]

HR 822 IH

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SEC. 3. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS.

(a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following:

‘Sec. 926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms

‘(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, related to the carrying or transportation of firearms, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that––

‘(1) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or

‘(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.

‘(b) A person carrying a concealed handgun under this section shall be permitted to carry a handgun subject to the same conditions or limitations that apply to residents of the State who have permits issued by the State or are otherwise lawfully allowed to do so by the State.

‘(c) In a State that allows the issuing authority for licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms to impose restrictions on the carrying of firearms by individual holders of such licenses or permits, a firearm shall be carried according to the same terms authorized by an unrestricted license or permit issued to a resident of the State.

‘(d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to preempt any provision of State law with respect to the issuance of licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms.’.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections for such chapter is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926C the following:

‘926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.’.

(c) Severability- Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, if any provision of this section, or any amendment made by this section, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, this section and amendments made by this section and the application of such provision or amendment to other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby.

(d) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

ceverett

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Posted: 3/16/2011 9:09:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Daps:
Quick Question. Do states like Ca,IL,NJ,NY issue conceal permits?
If they do will that mean if they have a 10rnd mag limit and you visit the state will you have to have on 10rnd mags or no hollow points?

I'd like to have National Carry but I think they should also be some sort of consistency

IL, and WI currently do no issue at all (WI is likely to change in the next 6 months). With this law, you could not carry in those states.

ceverett Joined Apr 2008 Posts 4514 EE Offline ID, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 9:10:07 AM EST Originally Posted By Firebird69: Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: I'm against this because in order to do this ALL the states would have to agree on ONE list for no-go zones. And IMO we'd get fucked in during process. I agree. State issue. ANYONE can get a drivers license. The system works great as it is. RTFA. It's still state issue.

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Posted: 3/16/2011 9:11:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Daps:
Quick Question. Do states like Ca,IL,NJ,NY issue conceal permits?
If they do will that mean if they have a 10rnd mag limit and you visit the state will you have to have on 10rnd mags or no hollow points?

I'd like to have National Carry but I think they should also be some sort of consistency.

ETA:Ok I see the post above mine. Just will have to know the rules of the state before visiting. Pretty much what you have to do now.

I could see states like CA doing away with concealed permits unless you're LEO and then granting "celebs" LEO status

Yes NYS has CCW but it has mag restrictions, also NYC has different laws when compared to NYS.

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krpind ARFCOM Czar Joined May 2004 Posts 33847 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 3/16/2011 9:12:19 AM EST Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: HR 822 IH What is it you don't like?
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Posted: 3/16/2011 9:12:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: