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Posted: 7/31/2005 8:13:42 PM EDT
I just thought I would share this with you. I saw him right outside the NYSE, on Wall St. while on vacation earlier this month. It looks to be some sort of carbine, but cant tell much more than that. I dont think I would want to mess with him. I would hate to have all of that riot gear on in that nasty NYC humid summer.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:16:02 PM EDT
What a world
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:30:18 PM EDT
Where have you guys been? This has been SOP since 9/11
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:32:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcantu:
Where have you guys been? This has been SOP since 9/11



I repeat. What a world
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:35:23 PM EDT
Yeah...right about now, it's majorly sucking to be ESU in NYC....poor bastards. What a boring friggin detail.


Sheep
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:37:56 PM EDT
I bet he could use a rocking chair!




(lame Seinfeld reference...)
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:39:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Yeah...right about now, it's majorly sucking to be ESU in NYC....poor bastards. What a boring friggin detail.


Sheep



Well, besides the horrible heat, it cant be that bad. When I was there, the streets were filled with VERY good looking girls. They were everywhere. I'm talking model good. So at least he can stare at pert bewbies jiggling about as hot babes walk by. Thats probably what he's looking at right then hehe.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:39:24 PM EDT
I've hung out down there having lunch and watched them. They spend pretty much the whole time gractiously posing for pictures with tourists. This one pair posed for probably 20 pics while i was there. They're almost like rock stars
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:40:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Gooch:
I just thought I would share this with you. I saw him right outside the NYSE, on Wall St. while on vacation earlier this month. It looks to be some sort of carbine, but cant tell much more than that. I dont think I would want to mess with him. I would hate to have all of that riot gear on in that nasty NYC humid summer.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/tula1954sks/sci/nypd1.jpg



Would this have been right after the first London bombings?
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:41:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Gooch:

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Yeah...right about now, it's majorly sucking to be ESU in NYC....poor bastards. What a boring friggin detail.


Sheep



Well, besides the horrible heat, it cant be that bad. When I was there, the streets were filled with VERY good looking girls. They were everywhere. I'm talking model good. So at least he can stare at pert bewbies jiggling about as hot babes walk by. Thats probably what he's looking at right then hehe.



Well....there is that. Further, my first FTO's nickname was Gooch...small friggen world, eh?


Sheep
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:46:17 PM EDT
The funny thing is that ALL AR(s) are banned in NYC. I guess LEO are exempt from that.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:47:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By The_Gooch:
I just thought I would share this with you. I saw him right outside the NYSE, on Wall St. while on vacation earlier this month. It looks to be some sort of carbine, but cant tell much more than that. I dont think I would want to mess with him. I would hate to have all of that riot gear on in that nasty NYC humid summer.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/tula1954sks/sci/nypd1.jpg



Would this have been right after the first London bombings?



Nope. Every day for the last 4 years.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:48:05 PM EDT
staring at tits on a hot day in full gear gets old about 30 minutes into your shift.
Shit detail, standing in front of a building all day. Why not just tack a bullseye to your head with a sign that says hey bad guys shoot me first. I feel for them
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:48:25 PM EDT
The thing that annoys me is WTF is he gonna do he'll just get blown up also ,
makes the masses feel safe i guess
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:03:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2005 9:03:52 PM EDT by SheepDog_556]

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
The thing that annoys me is WTF is he gonna do he'll just get blown up also ,
makes the masses feel safe i guess



Exactly....right in the vein of all the other non-sense BS out there to make the public feel protected, without actually acomplishing anything.

As I said regarding the other thread about the ESU guys on wall street, might as drape big assed signs around their necks:

SHOOT ME FIRST!




Sheep
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:05:40 PM EDT
Anyone have the link to the pic that appeared a few months ago, showing a NYC cop armed with an M4, with the optics on backwards?
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:34:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:37:16 PM EDT
Wow, we havent had a pissing match about this since last New Years.


Personally, this is my favorite:

Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:39:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By geegee:
Anyone have the link to the pic that appeared a few months ago, showing a NYC cop armed with an M4, with the optics on backwards?



I remember that!

Somehow the conversation moved from the backwards (what was it, Aimpoint?) to Bruce Willis' AR in Tears of the Sun, which also had a backwards optic.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:40:59 PM EDT
That's my desktop background Lumpy.


Sheep
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:53:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Wow, we havent had a pissing match about this since last New Years.


Personally, this is my favorite:

members.cox.net/vseven/NYPD%20ESU.jpg



LOL. I know both of those guys..

ETA: Great pic....
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:56:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By The_Gooch:
I just thought I would share this with you. I saw him right outside the NYSE, on Wall St. while on vacation earlier this month. It looks to be some sort of carbine, but cant tell much more than that. I dont think I would want to mess with him. I would hate to have all of that riot gear on in that nasty NYC humid summer.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/tula1954sks/sci/nypd1.jpg



Would this have been right after the first London bombings?



Nope...Those poor slobs have been doing these details continuously since 09/11.....Those poor guys aren't even allowed to leave their posts, and have to rely on the local sector cars or us to bring them water in this miserable heat....
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:58:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JBravo223:
The funny thing is that ALL AR(s) are banned in NYC. I guess LEO are exempt from that.



So's the mafia and running red lights. What's your point? Why don't you write the legislature about why that happens? After all you elected them and they passed the laws.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 9:59:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2005 10:00:04 PM EDT by SheepDog_556]

Originally Posted By ChrisLe:
Nope...Those poor slobs have been doing these details continuously since 09/11.....Those poor guys aren't even allowed to leave their posts, and have to rely on the local sector cars or us to bring them water in this miserable heat....



The real question gnawing at my devious little brain: Is this an OT gig? I can sweat my nuts off for 45 bucks an hour.


Sheep
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 10:00:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:

Originally Posted By ChrisLe:
Nope...Those poor slobs have been doing these details continuously since 09/11.....Those poor guys aren't even allowed to leave their posts, and have to rely on the local sector cars or us to bring them water in this miserable heat....



The real question gnawing at my deviously little brain: Is this an OT gig? I can sweat my nuts off for 45 bucks an hour.


Sheep



I believe it is, but I will ask to be sure...
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 10:27:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By The_Gooch:
I just thought I would share this with you. I saw him right outside the NYSE, on Wall St. while on vacation earlier this month. It looks to be some sort of carbine, but cant tell much more than that. I dont think I would want to mess with him. I would hate to have all of that riot gear on in that nasty NYC humid summer.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/tula1954sks/sci/nypd1.jpg



Would this have been right after the first London bombings?



I was in london on 7/7, then took the Queen Mary2 to NYC on the 11th, so it was almost exactly1 week later when I took the pic. This was before the 7/21 bombs.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 10:33:41 PM EDT
While crusing around NY harbor we were chased away by 2 voast guards boats with M249's on the front and back. They were guarding all the ferries.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 12:41:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mcantu:

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By The_Gooch:
I just thought I would share this with you. I saw him right outside the NYSE, on Wall St. while on vacation earlier this month. It looks to be some sort of carbine, but cant tell much more than that. I dont think I would want to mess with him. I would hate to have all of that riot gear on in that nasty NYC humid summer.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/tula1954sks/sci/nypd1.jpg



Would this have been right after the first London bombings?



Nope. Every day for the last 4 years.



Shit - I didn't know they were assigned out there full time. Just at NYSE or are they at other places in the Big Apple, too?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 12:46:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 1:18:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
makes the masses feel safe i guess



Yup.. It's window dressing.....
Makes people think the gov't is doing something to keep them safe.
You don't actually have to "be" safe in order to go about you're daily business.
You just have to "feel" safe.
Kind like those flimsy life-vests on airliners... WTF is the point?
We hit the water at 900 miles an hour and that yellow plastic thingy is gonna do me any good?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 1:45:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 2:32:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Girlieman:

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
makes the masses feel safe i guess



Yup.. It's window dressing.....
Makes people think the gov't is doing something to keep them safe.
You don't actually have to "be" safe in order to go about you're daily business.
You just have to "feel" safe.
Kind like those flimsy life-vests on airliners... WTF is the point?
We hit the water at 900 miles an hour and that yellow plastic thingy is gonna do me any good?



What kinda commercial jet you been on that does 900mph?

Link Posted: 8/1/2005 2:41:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 2:45:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By mcantu:

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By The_Gooch:
I just thought I would share this with you. I saw him right outside the NYSE, on Wall St. while on vacation earlier this month. It looks to be some sort of carbine, but cant tell much more than that. I don't think I would want to mess with him. I would hate to have all of that riot gear on in that nasty NYC humid summer.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/tula1954sks/sci/nypd1.jpg



Would this have been right after the first London bombings?



Nope. Every day for the last 4 years.



Shit - I didn't know they were assigned out there full time. Just at NYSE or are they at other places in the Big Apple, too?


In addition to the NYSE, they're stationed in dozens of high profile locations throughout Manhattan. They also have what they refer to as 'Hercules' teams, teams of heavily armed ESU cops that are deployed randomly throughout the City based on threat level and intel on a daily basis......Sadly, its nothing more than a 'feel good' measure for the sheeple to feel safe...
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:07:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:59:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mcantu:
I've hung out down there having lunch and watched them. They spend pretty much the whole time gractiously posing for pictures with tourists. This one pair posed for probably 20 pics while i was there. They're almost like rock stars



As they should be. They are targets standing in front of targets. And I suspect they expect to do something a little more than get blown up if TSHTF. I would not want to be within 50 yards of them wearing bulky clothing shouting "Allahu Akbar" with one hand in my pocket, or stopping my car in a no-standing zone and looking around with my eyes rolling and sweat dripping off my forehead.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 6:05:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 6:06:10 AM EDT by SubnetMask]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Wow, we havent had a pissing match about this since last New Years.


Personally, this is my favorite:

members.cox.net/vseven/NYPD%20ESU.jpg



Nice trigger discipline.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 6:05:26 AM EDT
How amny of you guys think these LEO's can really use an AR15 proficiently?


Seriously.

CMOS
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 6:07:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
How amny of you guys think these LEO's can really use an AR15 proficiently?


Seriously.

CMOS



Well...

...the majority of the incidents I see televised showing a gross lack of marksmanship on the LEO's part have been with pistols. I think they'll appreciate the longer sight radius.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 6:07:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
How amny of you guys think these LEO's can really use an AR15 proficiently?


Seriously.

CMOS



How many non-shooters or lousy shooters have you put behind an AR at 50 yards (or a hundred) and come away amazed at their accuracy? I see it all the time. That's one of the rifle's strengths: it's very easy to acquire passable proficiency with it.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 6:10:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 6:10:47 AM EDT by DzlBenz]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Wow, we havent had a pissing match about this since last New Years.


Personally, this is my favorite:

members.cox.net/vseven/NYPD%20ESU.jpg

What kind of optics are recommended for a toilet plunger handle, anyway?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 6:12:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 12:26:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
How amny of you guys think these LEO's can really use an AR15 proficiently?


Seriously.

CMOS


What percentage of posters here can shoot proficiently? Other than shooting kitchen appliances in junk yards or tannerite, I mean?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 12:40:20 PM EDT
Wave can weigh in more meaningfully but I believe NYPD is using Bushmaster M4s with Aimpoints for the ESU guys and Eotechs for the non-ESU guys. You still see the occasional MP5 and every so often an AC-556 pops up.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 12:43:41 PM EDT
I thought NYPD ESU primarily went with the Ruger, but maybe that was years ago.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 12:46:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
I thought NYPD ESU primarily went with the Ruger, but maybe that was years ago.



They used to use AC-556s since they were less threatening in appearance than MP5s and M16s.

The politically correct AC-556 was obsoleted by 9-11 and the NYPDs new commitment to demonstrate force wherever possible.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:46:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:19:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 3:52:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 4:07:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
staring at tits on a hot day in full gear gets old about 30 minutes into your shift.
Shit detail, standing in front of a building all day. Why not just tack a bullseye to your head with a sign that says hey bad guys shoot me first. I feel for them



I thought that was most of the idea behind having someone stand post....whatever happens he might get it but it'll save others in the end.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 4:23:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mike103:
Wave, I'm qualified where do I sign. MIKE.





ETA: I thought you swore the only way you would do that detail was if the Mini-14's were chambered in 12 gauge...
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