Posted: 9/22/2009 5:45:01 PM EDT
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I don't know if this is the proper forum. I purchased a 17hmr from dicks and the background check went through without incident. All was well and good then about a month ago I got a call from the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer." [i][Yeah I liked the title too. Assholes/i] Well apparently I had used two different cities for residence. Let me explain, the zip code is technically a zip for the city of buffalo, yet I'm on the fringe of the outlaying suburb which uses the same zip code.Therefore, I have a tendency to use them interchangeably, as does the post office.
Even though the error made it past their firearms manager, the front end manager, and the person who sold the gun, I am expected to come down and correct it or, "They'll have to come after the gun." Does anyone have any experience with this type of thing, I know the simple answer is to go down their and fix it, but to be honest I have grown tired of dicks sporting goods and the bullshit phone calls I keep getting about once a month from them in regards to this. Is there even a way they can "go after the gun" or is this atf compliance officer position just a made up title to sound intimidating? Thanks for any and all responses, mods feel free to move if this is in the wrong forum. ETA: I recall what the issue was,the license said the suburb but the form said the larger city. |
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I had a similar experience with a local sporting goods store "Academy". (Southern area only I think).
Anyway, they were very nice. I went back and fixed my entry on the form and initialed it. The manager was EXTREMELY nice to me. From what I understand, its THEIR butt on the line not yours. ATF found the mistake when doing an audit. If you want to push it, find out exactly what he means when he says "go after the gun". If he's being obtuse, I might be inclined to push it. I don't think they can legally do anything to you. If he treats you as any normal vendor should, you need to help him out here. It does no one any good to get a good FFL in trouble. |
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I don't know if this is the proper forum. I purchased a 17hmr from dicks and the background check went through without incident. All was well and good then about a month ago I got a call from the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer." [i][Yeah I liked the title too. Assholes/i] Well apparently I had used two different cities for residence. Let me explain, the zip code is technically a zip for the city of buffalo, yet I'm on the fringe of the outlaying suburb which uses the same zip code.Therefore, I have a tendency to use them interchangeably, as does the post office. Even though the error made it past their firearms manager, the front end manager, and the person who sold the gun, I am expected to come down and correct it or, "They'll have to come after the gun." Does anyone have any experience with this type of thing, I know the simple answer is to go down their and fix it, but to be honest I have grown tired of dicks sporting goods and the bullshit phone calls I keep getting about once a month from them in regards to this. Is there even a way they can "go after the gun" or is this atf compliance officer position just a made up title to sound intimidating? Thanks for any and all responses, mods feel free to move if this is in the wrong forum. ETA: I recall what the issue was,the license said the suburb but the form said the larger city. I hate Dick's as much as you do, but to be fair, the blame here is on the ATF. Just correct the form and be sure to use your official USPS city whatever's on your ID on form 4473. |
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I think I might go down their and have a talk with their manager, or maybe even see if they have a home office number. That was my whole point with posting this thread was to find out, as I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction.
It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. |
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Tell them to pound sand. They can't take the gun you own it. Their f^$# up is their problem. Or perhaps their compliance officer can sweeten the deal with a few bricks of .17 for your trouble? Don't listen to this guy ^^^. They can notify ATF of the situation and ATF will come for the gun, claiming he falsified the 4473. And trying to get something for nothing out of this is despicable. 
OP, you need to go correct it and remember to do it right in the future. ATF has NO sense of humor during their inspections. Not fixing it is UNSAT for both YOU and the shop, as both will get into trouble at the next inspection. 
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Tell them to pound sand. They can't take the gun you own it. Their f^$# up is their problem. Or perhaps their compliance officer can sweeten the deal with a few bricks of .17 for your trouble? Hmmm...guy made a mistake, the store asks him to come fix it and your response is to tell them to fuck off? Nice. Remember that attitude if you ever decide to open your own business. To the OP, Dick's and, more than likely, the guy that sold it to you are on the hook with the ATF for this inconsistency. Just go down and make the change on the form. You don't need to take the gun down or anything, just fix the paperwork in your writing and it should be all good. |
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To all those who responded thank you, I will go fix it, but at the same time the manner in which this has been handled by their employees has been unsatisfactory as far as I'm concerned. I will address this issue through the proper channels though. Good decision. |
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I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction. It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. If you hadn't let this drag on for months, there wouldn't be an issue. They're being pushy and rude because you haven't responded to their simple request to come correct the form in months. I'd be pretty upset too. In fact, I've had this exact type of thing occur before and the guy wouldn't return my calls. Yes, they made a mistake at the store, but common courtesy would dictate that you show some understanding to the store you patronized and help them keep from getting in trouble. You're making way too much of this. Take a deep breath, go correct the form and be done with it. |
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I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction. It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. If you hadn't let this drag on for months, there wouldn't be an issue. They're being pushy and rude because you haven't responded to their simple request to come correct the form in months. I'd be pretty upset too. In fact, I've had this exact type of thing occur before and the guy wouldn't return my calls. Yes, they made a mistake at the store, but common courtesy would dictate that you show some understanding to the store you patronized and help them keep from getting in trouble. You're making way too much of this. Take a deep breath, go correct the form and be done with it. It's not like he's losing a damned thing to take care of it––save ten minutes of his time. Not taking care of it can/will result in the FFL having BIG problems with BATFE, which will then visit the OP. They are contacting him on a good faith basis––for now. If taken care of it goes away and becomes a non-issue. Not taking care of it means BATFE *WILL* become involved––and that's bad for everyone, including the OP. |
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I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction. It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. If you hadn't let this drag on for months, there wouldn't be an issue. They're being pushy and rude because you haven't responded to their simple request to come correct the form in months. I'd be pretty upset too. In fact, I've had this exact type of thing occur before and the guy wouldn't return my calls. Yes, they made a mistake at the store, but common courtesy would dictate that you show some understanding to the store you patronized and help them keep from getting in trouble. You're making way too much of this. Take a deep breath, go correct the form and be done with it. You are correct that I have let this drag on as from the get go they had been rude and belligerent. It never started out as a simple request.. Common courtesy would dictate that I would have gone down there and fixed it if they had displayed the same common courtesy towards me. |
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I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction. It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. If you hadn't let this drag on for months, there wouldn't be an issue. They're being pushy and rude because you haven't responded to their simple request to come correct the form in months. I'd be pretty upset too. In fact, I've had this exact type of thing occur before and the guy wouldn't return my calls. Yes, they made a mistake at the store, but common courtesy would dictate that you show some understanding to the store you patronized and help them keep from getting in trouble. You're making way too much of this. Take a deep breath, go correct the form and be done with it. It's not like he's losing a damned thing to take care of it––save ten minutes of his time. Not taking care of it can/will result in the FFL having BIG problems with BATFE, which will then visit the OP. They are contacting him on a good faith basis––for now. If taken care of it goes away and becomes a non-issue. Not taking care of it means BATFE *WILL* become involved––and that's bad for everyone, including the OP. Per my previous post it will be addressed, it's definitely more than 10 minutes of my time, but it will be addressed, so with the demeanor and lack of professionalism of their employees. |
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I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction. It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. If you hadn't let this drag on for months, there wouldn't be an issue. They're being pushy and rude because you haven't responded to their simple request to come correct the form in months. I'd be pretty upset too. In fact, I've had this exact type of thing occur before and the guy wouldn't return my calls. Yes, they made a mistake at the store, but common courtesy would dictate that you show some understanding to the store you patronized and help them keep from getting in trouble. You're making way too much of this. Take a deep breath, go correct the form and be done with it. You are correct that I have let this drag on as from the get go they had been rude and belligerent. It never started out as a simple request.. Common courtesy would dictate that I would have gone down there and fixed it if they had displayed the same common courtesy towards me. *YOU* are responsible for the information YOU put on the 4473. They have every reason to be indignant over YOUR error. Their ass is on the line over this and it sounds as though they have been very patient. I have an FFL, and quite frankly had you not taken care of it within a week I would have called BATFE and spilled my guts. FFLs make errors such as this, but they are usually overlooked if due diligence is exercised in making things right. After talking to you and attempting to get you to come in, the only recourse they then have is to contact BATFE and report the event. The onus is then yours. They have been more than patient with you. I'm gathering you don't realize the gravity of this situation. You are NOT doing them a favor by taking care of this––you are saving YOURSELF a world of hurt. Read the 4473 where you sign––it is a felony to give false information. You did.
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I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction. It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. If you hadn't let this drag on for months, there wouldn't be an issue. They're being pushy and rude because you haven't responded to their simple request to come correct the form in months. I'd be pretty upset too. In fact, I've had this exact type of thing occur before and the guy wouldn't return my calls. Yes, they made a mistake at the store, but common courtesy would dictate that you show some understanding to the store you patronized and help them keep from getting in trouble. You're making way too much of this. Take a deep breath, go correct the form and be done with it. It's not like he's losing a damned thing to take care of it––save ten minutes of his time. Not taking care of it can/will result in the FFL having BIG problems with BATFE, which will then visit the OP. They are contacting him on a good faith basis––for now. If taken care of it goes away and becomes a non-issue. Not taking care of it means BATFE *WILL* become involved––and that's bad for everyone, including the OP. Per my previous post it will be addressed, it's definitely more than 10 minutes of my time, but it will be addressed, so with the demeanor and lack of professionalism of their employees. I will start this out by saying what they did was not justified but your very actions are the same as most others and the reason they are "Pushy", anytime a simple mistake is made and needs corrected it's drug out when it would take at most 30 min including driving there and home to fix the mistake. Sometimes life needs to be simplified like remember the golden rule. The A.T.F can most definitely come and get the firearm in question and i'm sure it will make future transactions a breeze for you. 
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I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction. It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. If you hadn't let this drag on for months, there wouldn't be an issue. They're being pushy and rude because you haven't responded to their simple request to come correct the form in months. I'd be pretty upset too. In fact, I've had this exact type of thing occur before and the guy wouldn't return my calls. Yes, they made a mistake at the store, but common courtesy would dictate that you show some understanding to the store you patronized and help them keep from getting in trouble. You're making way too much of this. Take a deep breath, go correct the form and be done with it. It's not like he's losing a damned thing to take care of it––save ten minutes of his time. Not taking care of it can/will result in the FFL having BIG problems with BATFE, which will then visit the OP. They are contacting him on a good faith basis––for now. If taken care of it goes away and becomes a non-issue. Not taking care of it means BATFE *WILL* become involved––and that's bad for everyone, including the OP. Per my previous post it will be addressed, it's definitely more than 10 minutes of my time, but it will be addressed, so with the demeanor and lack of professionalism of their employees. I will start this out by saying what they did was not justified but your very actions are the reason they are "Pushy", anytime a simple mistake is made and needs corrected it's drug out when it would take at most 30 min including driving there and home to fix the mistake. Sometimes life needs to be simplified like remember the golden rule. The A.T.F can most definitely come and get the firearm in question and i'm sure it will make future transactions a breeze for you. I can agree with you there. |
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I was pretty sure it was up to them to realize the mistake before the finalization of the transaction. It goes without saying that I don't want to jam up an FFL, that's the last thing I want. At the same time I don't need the "Dicks sporting goods ATF compliance officer" calling me and telling me I need to get down their asap and that they will be forced to go after the gun if i don't take care of things. Thus far they have been nothing but pushy and rude and I get the impression that the compliance officer title is more for effect than anything else and it isn't appreciated. If you hadn't let this drag on for months, there wouldn't be an issue. They're being pushy and rude because you haven't responded to their simple request to come correct the form in months. I'd be pretty upset too. In fact, I've had this exact type of thing occur before and the guy wouldn't return my calls. Yes, they made a mistake at the store, but common courtesy would dictate that you show some understanding to the store you patronized and help them keep from getting in trouble. You're making way too much of this. Take a deep breath, go correct the form and be done with it. You are correct that I have let this drag on as from the get go they had been rude and belligerent. It never started out as a simple request.. Common courtesy would dictate that I would have gone down there and fixed it if they had displayed the same common courtesy towards me. *YOU* are responsible for the information YOU put on the 4473. They have every reason to be indignant over YOUR error. Their ass is on the line over this and it sounds as though they have been very patient. I have an FFL, and quite frankly had you not taken care of it within a week I would have called BATFE and spilled my guts. FFLs make errors such as this, but they are usually overlooked if due diligence is exercised in making things right. After talking to you and attempting to get you to come in, the only recourse they then have is to contact BATFE and report the event. The onus is then yours. They have been more than patient with you. I'm gathering you don't realize the gravity of this situation. You are NOT doing them a favor by taking care of this––you are saving YOURSELF a world of hurt. Read the 4473 where you sign––it is a felony to give false information. You did. TBK is right. Hence the reason nobody can coach you through the form. It is a legal document created by you. |
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None of the information provided was false, the zip code provided correlates to two municipalities PER USPS. It was brought to the attention of the clerk the day of he didn't make an issue of it. Mr. BATFE agent may well buy that, as they are known for being congenial and understanding. Then again . . . |