Posted: 3/10/2012 6:42:46 AM EDT
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First off let me apologize if this is in the wrong section... It seemed the most fitting for my question. I've recently gotten back into shooting, and thus my reason for being here on the site.... The AR15 seemed like a great platform to jump back in on. Anyway... I've purchased a few firearms locally with no "paperwork" from individuals but recently I went to purchase an assembled lower from a liscensed FFL in my home state and as such had to go through the NICS checks. I received a "delay"... This wouldn't normally be a problem.... Except for this was pretty much an impulse buy at a dealer 150 miles from home... So now I've got to spend today driving back up there to pick up my lower now that the checks have "cleared". Oddly enough... When I say "cleared"... I mean that the FFL got no response in the 3 day waiting period. Which according to what I've read means it's in his discretion to transfer or not. I'll freely admit, that in my youth (Youth being a relative term... I'm only 28 now) I had quite a few run-ins with the law. I have however cleaned up my act in the last 8 years or so and have successfully jumped through all the hoops to come out the other side with a clean record. IE... I am NOT a convicted felon and do not meet any of the disqualification critera. I'd like to try to avoid these type of problems in the future, and be given a "proceed" instead of this no reply stuff. Right now I feel like I'm jumping through some kind of back door, and I worked too hard to clear my name to have these problems. Anyway... My research says that I can complete whats called a VAF or Voluntary Appeal File that will allow NICS to keep a current copy of my records on file. Supposedly, having that information on file will allow for future applications to be processed without delays. Has anybody else done this? Does it actually help? Should I just deal with the delays as a side effect of my "checkered" past? I'm open to any input you guys would care to share. Thanks in advance! -David |
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CHL = Concealed Handgun Liscense?
If so... I'm unaware if Missouri allows the same thing. It would certainly be nice. I plan to obtain my CCW as soon as I'm able.... Just waiting to find a class that fits my schedule. ETA: LOL... I figured that question would come up. I use this username all over the net... It started out as an XBox Live gamertag... That I chose to remind me of this "checkered past" of mine. It's just something that stuck. To explain what happened... I look back on it now knowing I screwed up... But at the time it seemed right. Throughout high school I spent summers working at a local car audio shop. The owner of that shop and I became what I considered pretty good friends, and when I graduated high school at 18 I took a full time job there while going to college. Well things went great for the summer time like they always had... But around here, business is seasonal. When winter hit... All of a sudden my pay checks began to either bounce or not be written at all. Since I considered the guy a friend... I continued working for him after he'd say "Man... I promise... Next week!"... This went on for about 2 months. After 2 months though... I was getting really tired of borrowing cash from my parents to drive to a job that was supposed to be a paying gig! So I told him... In a very polite manner. "If I can't get paid soon I'm gonna have to take some of the gear out of the showroom and go find someplace else to work." To this he just kind of shrugged, walked away, and left for the day. I spent the rest of that day working and contemplating what to do.... And in the end of the day... I decided to do what I said I was gonna do. I packed up $800 retail worth of stuff in my car... (WAY less than I was owed in back pay... and only about $350 in cost to the shop.) I locked the doors and armed the alarm like I always would have when I left for the day and left my key in the "stash spot" that we had established for when the owners father was coming by and would need into the shop. A couple days later I get a call from the local Sheriff asking me to come in for questioning... Which of course I instantly went to do. Well... I ended up spending that night in the jail, my parents had to post a 25K bail... and I left with a charge of felony theft. Like I said... At the time... It seemed the right thing to do. Now I know I should have just walked off and A) Either forgotten about it. B) Taken it to a lawyer. You live and learn I guess. I completed 5 years of probation on a Suspended Imposition of Sentence.. Meaning I was never actually sentenced... and as such... When I completed the probation I had a clean record. Other than this... The only other things on my record are a boatload of speeding tickets. |
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Thanks for the input guys...
Went to purchase an XD 9mm Subcompact Bi-Tone today (for once I do get my CCW)... Was delayed again. I guess I'm just going to deal with it... Just stinks getting all excited about going home with a new gun only to find out you gotta wait 3 more days. Eh well... Once again. Thanks. |
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I love this shit when we get gunbroker customers from out of state wanting to do in store pick ups I explain to them that there is a very good chance they are going to be get delayed as I have noticed out of staters get delays at a rate much much higher than in state buyers They reply no problem , they'll risk it of course they drive up 4 hours from Kansas ,Iowa , Missouri or somewhere and promptly get delayed , which of course is my fault somehow as for the OP just get a permit to bypass NICS I have quite a few customers that never get a proceed out of the gate most just say screw it after the first few times and get a permit others well have a few that have bought dozens of weapons and never get an instant proceed |
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Just to clarify... I'm not blaming anybody.
Just wish they'd (BATF... I know the FFL doesn't get any more information than I do) provide more information as to WHY the delay. If I have something on my record thats delaying me... I'd like to know what that is. If it's the situation I posted a few posts ago... Well.. I suppose thats understandable. Like I said... It just makes me nervous not knowing whats in their little "rap sheet". |
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Snip.... as for the OP just get a permit to bypass NICS I have quite a few customers that never get a proceed out of the gate most just say screw it after the first few times and get a permit others well have a few that have bought dozens of weapons and never get an instant proceed What do you mean by permit? Concealed Carry Permit? I was told today that even that doesn't allow NICS bypass in Missouri. Or are you referring to some other type of permit? Somebody else mentioned an ID number... I also don't know what thats about.. So if somebody could enlighten me there that'd be great. Thanks! |
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CHL = Concealed Handgun Liscense? If so... I'm unaware if Missouri allows the same thing. It would certainly be nice. I plan to obtain my CCW as soon as I'm able.... Just waiting to find a class that fits my schedule. ETA: LOL... I figured that question would come up. I use this username all over the net... It started out as an XBox Live gamertag... That I chose to remind me of this "checkered past" of mine. It's just something that stuck. To explain what happened... I look back on it now knowing I screwed up... But at the time it seemed right. Throughout high school I spent summers working at a local car audio shop. The owner of that shop and I became what I considered pretty good friends, and when I graduated high school at 18 I took a full time job there while going to college. Well things went great for the summer time like they always had... But around here, business is seasonal. When winter hit... All of a sudden my pay checks began to either bounce or not be written at all. Since I considered the guy a friend... I continued working for him after he'd say "Man... I promise... Next week!"... This went on for about 2 months. After 2 months though... I was getting really tired of borrowing cash from my parents to drive to a job that was supposed to be a paying gig! So I told him... In a very polite manner. "If I can't get paid soon I'm gonna have to take some of the gear out of the showroom and go find someplace else to work." To this he just kind of shrugged, walked away, and left for the day. I spent the rest of that day working and contemplating what to do.... And in the end of the day... I decided to do what I said I was gonna do. I packed up $800 retail worth of stuff in my car... (WAY less than I was owed in back pay... and only about $350 in cost to the shop.) I locked the doors and armed the alarm like I always would have when I left for the day and left my key in the "stash spot" that we had established for when the owners father was coming by and would need into the shop. A couple days later I get a call from the local Sheriff asking me to come in for questioning... Which of course I instantly went to do. Well... I ended up spending that night in the jail, my parents had to post a 25K bail... and I left with a charge of felony theft. Like I said... At the time... It seemed the right thing to do. Now I know I should have just walked off and A) Either forgotten about it. B) Taken it to a lawyer. You live and learn I guess. I completed 5 years of probation on a Suspended Imposition of Sentence.. Meaning I was never actually sentenced... and as such... When I completed the probation I had a clean record. Other than this... The only other things on my record are a boatload of speeding tickets. No, your Felony arrest is still there, which is bringing up the delay. They just can't match it up to a conviction... |
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Just to clarify... I'm not blaming anybody. Just wish they'd (BATF... I know the FFL doesn't get any more information than I do) provide more information as to WHY the delay. If I have something on my record thats delaying me... I'd like to know what that is. If it's the situation I posted a few posts ago... Well.. I suppose thats understandable. Like I said... It just makes me nervous not knowing whats in their little "rap sheet". They see your felony arrest. It flags your name/SSN. Unless there is some method for bypassing this that I am not aware of (because it's never been an issue for me or anyone I've dealt with when working), it's something you're going to have to live with. Small price to pay for what could have and likely should have been a felony conviction. |
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CHL = Concealed Handgun Liscense? If so... I'm unaware if Missouri allows the same thing. It would certainly be nice. I plan to obtain my CCW as soon as I'm able.... Just waiting to find a class that fits my schedule. ETA: LOL... I figured that question would come up. I use this username all over the net... It started out as an XBox Live gamertag... That I chose to remind me of this "checkered past" of mine. It's just something that stuck. To explain what happened... I look back on it now knowing I screwed up... But at the time it seemed right. Throughout high school I spent summers working at a local car audio shop. The owner of that shop and I became what I considered pretty good friends, and when I graduated high school at 18 I took a full time job there while going to college. Well things went great for the summer time like they always had... But around here, business is seasonal. When winter hit... All of a sudden my pay checks began to either bounce or not be written at all. Since I considered the guy a friend... I continued working for him after he'd say "Man... I promise... Next week!"... This went on for about 2 months. After 2 months though... I was getting really tired of borrowing cash from my parents to drive to a job that was supposed to be a paying gig! So I told him... In a very polite manner. "If I can't get paid soon I'm gonna have to take some of the gear out of the showroom and go find someplace else to work." To this he just kind of shrugged, walked away, and left for the day. I spent the rest of that day working and contemplating what to do.... And in the end of the day... I decided to do what I said I was gonna do. I packed up $800 retail worth of stuff in my car... (WAY less than I was owed in back pay... and only about $350 in cost to the shop.) I locked the doors and armed the alarm like I always would have when I left for the day and left my key in the "stash spot" that we had established for when the owners father was coming by and would need into the shop. A couple days later I get a call from the local Sheriff asking me to come in for questioning... Which of course I instantly went to do. Well... I ended up spending that night in the jail, my parents had to post a 25K bail... and I left with a charge of felony theft. Like I said... At the time... It seemed the right thing to do. Now I know I should have just walked off and A) Either forgotten about it. B) Taken it to a lawyer. You live and learn I guess. I completed 5 years of probation on a Suspended Imposition of Sentence.. Meaning I was never actually sentenced... and as such... When I completed the probation I had a clean record. Other than this... The only other things on my record are a boatload of speeding tickets. No, your Felony arrest is still there, which is bringing up the delay. They just can't match it up to a conviction... OK... That makes sense then. I was somewhat under the impression though that completing the probation would have totally cleared that. You're probably right though... The other thing is... Not too long after I was released from probation... I had an XD 9mm I bought from an individual in Texas transfered to a local FFL... That went right through... No Delay whatsoever. That was probably 2 or 3 years ago though... and I've heard that they've really cracked down hard lately on doing even more indepth background checks. Anybody think theres any truth to that possibility? |
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Snip.... as for the OP just get a permit to bypass NICS I have quite a few customers that never get a proceed out of the gate most just say screw it after the first few times and get a permit others well have a few that have bought dozens of weapons and never get an instant proceed What do you mean by permit? Concealed Carry Permit? I was told today that even that doesn't allow NICS bypass in Missouri. Sorry figured CCW allowed bypass in MO like it does most other places here in Ne you can do CCW or to be able to even buy a handgun you have to get a little $5 permit from the sheriff which also works to bypass NICS on long guns as for getting a unique identification number or other considerations with NICS I don't know anything about it , never had dealing with it about it but I believe others here have done so and hopefully can guide you with some info I don't believe most states do a NICS bypass with a permit. They should, but I don't believe they do. They make a decent little bit of money in fees for running the checks. |
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Snip.... as for the OP just get a permit to bypass NICS I have quite a few customers that never get a proceed out of the gate most just say screw it after the first few times and get a permit others well have a few that have bought dozens of weapons and never get an instant proceed What do you mean by permit? Concealed Carry Permit? I was told today that even that doesn't allow NICS bypass in Missouri. Or are you referring to some other type of permit? Somebody else mentioned an ID number... I also don't know what thats about.. So if somebody could enlighten me there that'd be great. Thanks! you are correct even if you have a CCW permit in MO you still have to get a NICS check. Being a FFL in MO I can only suggest to you either use your Social Security Number on the 4473 or get the UPIN. |
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Just to clarify... I'm not blaming anybody. Just wish they'd (BATF... I know the FFL doesn't get any more information than I do) provide more information as to WHY the delay. If I have something on my record thats delaying me... I'd like to know what that is. If it's the situation I posted a few posts ago... Well.. I suppose thats understandable. Like I said... It just makes me nervous not knowing whats in their little "rap sheet". They see your felony arrest. It flags your name/SSN. Unless there is some method for bypassing this that I am not aware of (because it's never been an issue for me or anyone I've dealt with when working), it's something you're going to have to live with. Small price to pay for what could have and likely should have been a felony conviction. I appreciate your input.... I don't particularly agree with the "likely should have been a feloncy conviction"... But I respect your opinion. I was 18... It was a stupid mistake. I even said that in my explanation... I jumped through the legal hoops and learned from it. I now know to seriously think a situation through before acting.... I do feel I "did my time" so to speak on the deal... AND... I'm fully willing to deal with a few delays if thats truly whats causing them. I just wish there was a way to know for sure. So again... Thanks for your input. |
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Snip.... as for the OP just get a permit to bypass NICS I have quite a few customers that never get a proceed out of the gate most just say screw it after the first few times and get a permit others well have a few that have bought dozens of weapons and never get an instant proceed What do you mean by permit? Concealed Carry Permit? I was told today that even that doesn't allow NICS bypass in Missouri. Or are you referring to some other type of permit? Somebody else mentioned an ID number... I also don't know what thats about.. So if somebody could enlighten me there that'd be great. Thanks! you are correct even if you have a CCW permit in MO you still have to get a NICS check. Being a FFL in MO I can only suggest to you either use your Social Security Number on the 4473 or get the UPIN. Thanks for the insight... I have however been using my SS... I think maybe you guys are onto something and they are just doing a deeper check now than before... Maybe they are now seeing that "arrest", whereas the one time I bought a firearm fresh off probation they weren't for some reason. Meh... Guess I'll just chalk it up as part of the lesson. LOL |
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Just to clarify... I'm not blaming anybody. Just wish they'd (BATF... I know the FFL doesn't get any more information than I do) provide more information as to WHY the delay. If I have something on my record thats delaying me... I'd like to know what that is. If it's the situation I posted a few posts ago... Well.. I suppose thats understandable. Like I said... It just makes me nervous not knowing whats in their little "rap sheet". They see your felony arrest. It flags your name/SSN. Unless there is some method for bypassing this that I am not aware of (because it's never been an issue for me or anyone I've dealt with when working), it's something you're going to have to live with. Small price to pay for what could have and likely should have been a felony conviction. I appreciate your input.... I don't particularly agree with the "likely should have been a feloncy conviction"... But I respect your opinion. I was 18... It was a stupid mistake. I even said that in my explanation... I jumped through the legal hoops and learned from it. I now know to seriously think a situation through before acting.... I do feel I "did my time" so to speak on the deal... AND... I'm fully willing to deal with a few delays if thats truly whats causing them. I just wish there was a way to know for sure. So again... Thanks for your input. I wasn't commenting as to the good or bad of what you did. Just the legal reality. You got lucky. |
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Just to clarify... I'm not blaming anybody. Just wish they'd (BATF... I know the FFL doesn't get any more information than I do) provide more information as to WHY the delay. If I have something on my record thats delaying me... I'd like to know what that is. If it's the situation I posted a few posts ago... Well.. I suppose thats understandable. Like I said... It just makes me nervous not knowing whats in their little "rap sheet". They see your felony arrest. It flags your name/SSN. Unless there is some method for bypassing this that I am not aware of (because it's never been an issue for me or anyone I've dealt with when working), it's something you're going to have to live with. Small price to pay for what could have and likely should have been a felony conviction. I appreciate your input.... I don't particularly agree with the "likely should have been a feloncy conviction"... But I respect your opinion. I was 18... It was a stupid mistake. I even said that in my explanation... I jumped through the legal hoops and learned from it. I now know to seriously think a situation through before acting.... I do feel I "did my time" so to speak on the deal... AND... I'm fully willing to deal with a few delays if thats truly whats causing them. I just wish there was a way to know for sure. So again... Thanks for your input. I wasn't commenting as to the good or bad of what you did. Just the legal reality. You got lucky. I agree... It could have been much worse... and very nearly was. It took over a year in court to get them to give me the Suspended Imposition of Sentence. The guy who I was working for was friends with the District Attorney handling my case... AND... That same DA had seen me more than few times for Speeding tickets... So he wasn't really happy with me to begin with. I look back at the whole thing and it's honestly the turning point for me... I finally learned that you can't do the what you want at all times and that there are consequences for every action. Probably ended up being a good thing to be very honest. |
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No, your Felony arrest is still there, which is bringing up the delay. They just can't match it up to a conviction... Probably this. OP, they won't tell the dealer the reason for the delay from privacy concerns. I had Florida tell me to, "Tell this guy to get a UPIN." A UPIN is a Unique Personal Identification Number that allows NICS to bypass the requirement to destroy the results of the Instant Check. In that case, the customer said he was the victim of an identity theft. I think you have to get an actual denial to get the UPIN. If this happens, you have a right to appeal the denial and you can request the UPIN from whatever authority Missouri uses for the background checks. The dealer should have the relevant forms for you. If not, find out if they use the state police or the FBI and get the forms from them. |
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No, your Felony arrest is still there, which is bringing up the delay. They just can't match it up to a conviction... Probably this. OP, they won't tell the dealer the reason for the delay from privacy concerns. I had Florida tell me to, "Tell this guy to get a UPIN." A UPIN is a Unique Personal Identification Number that allows NICS to bypass the requirement to destroy the results of the Instant Check. In that case, the customer said he was the victim of an identity theft. I think you have to get an actual denial to get the UPIN. If this happens, you have a right to appeal the denial and you can request the UPIN from whatever authority Missouri uses for the background checks. The dealer should have the relevant forms for you. If not, find out if they use the state police or the FBI and get the forms from them. Thanks! Thats very helpful. I think though that at this point I'm probably just going to learn to deal with the 3 day waiting period. So far I haven't been denied... I picked up a couple of assembled lowers today after the 3 days had expired. So I guess the UPIN idea wouldn't work anyway the way you've explained it if it requires a denial. The FFL never got a resolution... As in... Never heard back... Which according to him means I was good to go. I now have the lowers in my posession. Just seems like they should at least give SOME kind of reply instead of "No news is good news." I may try calling BATFE again on Monday for more specifics about this VAF thing though... It sounds very similar to what you've described, but supposedly doesn't require a denial first... It only does away with the delay by allowing them to keep the relevant info on file. |
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I have talked to a couple of guys at the range over the years who have gone through that VAF procedure and they both said they never get delayed any longer.
IIRC, you get a personal ID number you use when filling out the form 4473. (Not sure about this though.) |
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Before I got my CHL I used to get delayed, but only on weekends. Being that I had lived in Kommiefornia when NICS was called they had to check Kommiefornia. Komiefornia does not respond back on weekends due to all firearms sold there are on a 10 day wait and the system is a computerized swipe your driver's licence type.
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You can get a unique id number foryourself from thebatf to alveaveate this problem Thanks for the input! How do I go about doing that? You can not do that until they pop you with a deny from what i have heard though. I do have one of the numbers though , and now I breeze through again. |
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Why do I get the feeling that somewhere on another forum, there is a thread about "...wacko gun nuts coaching dude with criminal history how to buy guns...?"
No offense, OP, I hope you are telling the truth and have gotten your shit together, but my spidey-sense is sensing a false-flag operation. |
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Why do I get the feeling that somewhere on another forum, there is a thread about "...wacko gun nuts coaching dude with criminal history how to buy guns...?" No offense, OP, I hope you are telling the truth and have gotten your shit together, but my spidey-sense is sensing a false-flag operation. Understandable... But I'm being as forward and truthful as possible. I've stated the facts in their entirety... Yet understandably some will still have doubts. I'm not looking to cheat the system in any way... As I've stated.. I'll probably just go ahead and deal with the delays... My only concern was WHY the delays... Which... Now that you guys have informed me that the arrest itself would show on a background check... Makes complete sense. They now just have to dig into it deeper to see that I later fulfilled my requirements to dispose of the charges. I'd love to say that I have some way to prove all this... BUT... I have none. Once again... Thanks for the input from everybody. -David |
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Quoted: You're not misspelling words and stuff. You're a commie journalist plant, looking for comments to take out of context for your big expose' on evil gun people. Quoted: Why do I get the feeling that somewhere on another forum, there is a thread about "...wacko gun nuts coaching dude with criminal history how to buy guns...?" No offense, OP, I hope you are telling the truth and have gotten your shit together, but my spidey-sense is sensing a false-flag operation. Understandable... But I'm being as forward and truthful as possible. I've stated the facts in their entirety... Yet understandably some will still have doubts. I'm not looking to cheat the system in any way... As I've stated.. I'll probably just go ahead and deal with the delays... My only concern was WHY the delays... Which... Now that you guys have informed me that the arrest itself would show on a background check... Makes complete sense. They now just have to dig into it deeper to see that I later fulfilled my requirements to dispose of the charges. I'd love to say that I have some way to prove all this... BUT... I have none. Once again... Thanks for the input from everybody. -David |
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Why do I get the feeling that somewhere on another forum, there is a thread about "...wacko gun nuts coaching dude with criminal history how to buy guns...?" No offense, OP, I hope you are telling the truth and have gotten your shit together, but my spidey-sense is sensing a false-flag operation. Understandable... But I'm being as forward and truthful as possible. I've stated the facts in their entirety... Yet understandably some will still have doubts. I'm not looking to cheat the system in any way... As I've stated.. I'll probably just go ahead and deal with the delays... My only concern was WHY the delays... Which... Now that you guys have informed me that the arrest itself would show on a background check... Makes complete sense. They now just have to dig into it deeper to see that I later fulfilled my requirements to dispose of the charges. I'd love to say that I have some way to prove all this... BUT... I have none. Once again... Thanks for the input from everybody. -David 
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Why do I get the feeling that somewhere on another forum, there is a thread about "...wacko gun nuts coaching dude with criminal history how to buy guns...?" No offense, OP, I hope you are telling the truth and have gotten your shit together, but my spidey-sense is sensing a false-flag operation. Understandable... But I'm being as forward and truthful as possible. I've stated the facts in their entirety... Yet understandably some will still have doubts. I'm not looking to cheat the system in any way... As I've stated.. I'll probably just go ahead and deal with the delays... My only concern was WHY the delays... Which... Now that you guys have informed me that the arrest itself would show on a background check... Makes complete sense. They now just have to dig into it deeper to see that I later fulfilled my requirements to dispose of the charges. I'd love to say that I have some way to prove all this... BUT... I have none. Once again... Thanks for the input from everybody. -David LOL... You caught me! |
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Also keep in mind that the three day time limit means that the dealer can release the gun after three days whether NICS likes it or not. They can, and do, call back after three days to either issue an approval number or ask for the address of the person who bought it and was later denied. Interesting... And thats fine... I'll just deal with that if it becomes an issue. I can't see WHY it would later be denied... Since I've purchased one firearm (literally a few months after being released from probation) and recieved no delay or no phone call since. Haven't been in any trouble since then... Not even any new speeding tickets! Eh well... I'll ride it out. I've got that XD Subcompact at a different more local FFL that the 3 day wait period is up on after the 14th... I'm pretty good friends with that dealer... So I'll ask him to call in to check on a status. The gentleman (an LEO himself) I bought the lowers from told me that about half the "delays" he gets he never hears anything back about as far as a proceed... But he also never hears of a problem later. I have no clue.... Thats why I've asked you guys. Just trying to make sure I'm doing everything I can to make the process as easy as possible. |
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I never put my ssn on the app and it takes me less than like 5 minutes to get cleared. And yeah as others have said CCW has nothing to do with it. You're not the first person to have said this to me... I've heard this ALOT actually.... From guys who buy alot of stuff. They've said that if they don't put the SS... It goes right through... But that almost every time they fill in the SS... It gets delayed. I still have one firearm on my "need to buy soon" list... A Walther P22 that I want for plinking around in the woods... Maybe I'll try the no SS method on that one when I go to buy it. |
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Also keep in mind that the three day time limit means that the dealer can release the gun after three days whether NICS likes it or not. They can, and do, call back after three days to either issue an approval number or ask for the address of the person who bought it and was later denied. Interesting... And thats fine... I'll just deal with that if it becomes an issue. I can't see WHY it would later be denied... Since I've purchased one firearm (literally a few months after being released from probation) and recieved no delay or no phone call since. Haven't been in any trouble since then... Not even any new speeding tickets! Eh well... I'll ride it out. I've got that XD Subcompact at a different more local FFL that the 3 day wait period is up on after the 14th... I'm pretty good friends with that dealer... So I'll ask him to call in to check on a status. The gentleman (an LEO himself) I bought the lowers from told me that about half the "delays" he gets he never hears anything back about as far as a proceed... But he also never hears of a problem later. I have no clue.... Thats why I've asked you guys. Just trying to make sure I'm doing everything I can to make the process as easy as possible. I don't mean that you would be denied, but you can see that police and court records are not always complete. You were given pre-trial intervention. You completed it and the case was dismissed. But it looks like the disposition of the charges did not connect to the arrest report. This could be a state thing or it could be a mistake that someone made with the court records. I don't know anything about Missouri law, so I won't even guess. Maybe they'll catch the mistake now that you've used the system and it won't be a problem in the future. You might want to find an attorney and look into that. It could cause you some grief down the road. Get a copy of your record and review it with someone who knows what all their codes and abbreviations mean. We've had buyers who were denied but NICS couldn't reach a decision before three days elapsed. By law, they have to release the gun. When they finally trace the case through the system, they issue a denial. The people that this happened to were not people who "looked like" criminals. Maybe they were nonviolent crimes. Maybe NICS got it wrong. I have no way of knowing. Good luck with the system. I'd follow up if it continues to be a problem. |
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Just a quick update...
Picked up one of the two Handguns I ordered today... After the FFL recieved a call back with a proceed. Then... We ran the other WITHOUT my social security number... And it went through with an instant Approve. Weird! Guess I'll just quit giving my SSN. |
