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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:31:24 PM EDT
Ok I'm getting fucked by charter internet.

I am trying to set up a ftp server. I chatted online with charter and they do not ALLOW FUCKING ftp servers for their "residential" accounts.

Okay guys, can I get around this somehow. I would really like to fuck them on this.

/Rant over

-Fidel
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:35:02 PM EDT
And end up not having ANY service? Why? Most ISP's do NOT allow FTP, WEB or MAIL servers.... Run a service your not supposed to, they can drop you period and not allow you to get it again.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:36:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:
And end up not having ANY service? Why? Most ISP's do NOT allow FTP, WEB or MAIL servers.... Run a service your not supposed to, they can drop you period and not allow you to get it again.



that is weak
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:37:35 PM EDT
Yep, you are bound to the terms and conditions of the service, and the terms and conditions may change at any time without notice.

I work for an ISP myself, and I drop anyone that tries to set up a server of any kind on our network. And since we are the only broadband provider in two counties, you either suck it up, or live without service.

If you want to run a server like that, than get a class of service that will allow for it.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:38:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/2/2006 8:39:47 PM EDT by FieroLoki]

Originally Posted By Fidel:

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:
And end up not having ANY service? Why? Most ISP's do NOT allow FTP, WEB or MAIL servers.... Run a service your not supposed to, they can drop you period and not allow you to get it again.



that is weak



Maybe, but it can and has happened.... I did it to a few people when I worked at Cox... Some ISP's will just block it harder, others like me, will lock you down totally... Its in there ToS.

There doing nothing wrong by not allowing it on resi packages.... Bandwidth cost money...... See about getting a buisness package.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:49:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 8:51:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
Pay the extra $9 a month and get a fixed IP address with FTP capabilities.

... and welcome to Urban Commandos.



I dont know Charter, but with Cox, it doesnt work that way. Gotta have a buisness account....
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 10:08:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:

Originally Posted By Paul:
Pay the extra $9 a month and get a fixed IP address with FTP capabilities.

... and welcome to Urban Commandos.



I dont know Charter, but with Cox, it doesnt work that way. Gotta have a buisness account....


Fixed IP with Charter required a business account, I just wanted to run my own email server mainly, but $150/month was out of the question for their lowest speed business account.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 3:24:19 AM EDT
in your case Charter is THE MAN.

Your TOS governs what you can and cannot do, and what THE MAN can do.

They can raise your rates, and not give you any change in service.

You make any changes and get caught, you lose.

Some companies allow for a small fee, the residential customer to get a static IP and setup FTP, HTTP and SMTP services, some do not and require a business class account.

Other ISP's will not allow e-mail from a server that is sending from a particular block of IP addresses that have been designated as residential accounts.

That said, in the past I had a forum and e-mail server set up on a ComCast residential account and had e-mails bounced many times due to the originating IP address.

It was low key but I got tired of the risk involved and decided it really was not worth it.

If they want more than just a small fee, you could find a host that will host your domain for FTP and e-mail for a small fee.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:52:07 AM EDT
run the FTP server anyway. Who cares what your ISP says! You're paying for the bandwidth! USE IT! G4 is a nice server, google for more ftp server software.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 10:20:55 AM EDT
fidel. are you going to be leaving the server up 24/7???

how is a ftp server different that running a bittorent or kazaa program for long periods of time??? tell me this

i'd like for some isp to shutdown my connection for running a ftp server for a short period of time.

my isp says the same yours. if you don't leave it up and running 24/7 they will not have a problem with it. I do it all the time.


all linksys routers have a remote management feature . enable it choose a port. default is 8080 type your EXTERNAL IP ADDRESS. ex http://111.111.111.111:8080. some of them will even use https (secure) when your done using the server remotely disable portforwarding(ftp=21) apple and then you are done. the connection is closed .
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 12:58:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hectic:
run the FTP server anyway. Who cares what your ISP says! You're paying for the bandwidth! USE IT! G4 is a nice server, google for more ftp server software.



And your a tard. Its people like you who screw it up for everyone else.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 1:54:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:

Originally Posted By Hectic:
run the FTP server anyway. Who cares what your ISP says! You're paying for the bandwidth! USE IT! G4 is a nice server, google for more ftp server software.



And your a tard. Its people like you who screw it up for everyone else.



How does someone running a ftp server affect you? If I choose to put my bandwidth that I (over-)paid for to use, it'll "screw it up for everyone"!?

Running a FTP server for a few users is no problem for the ISP (or anyone else). Your ISP simply does not want someone running a business sized FTP server, which is understandable, but a personal server should be fine.

You pay for your bandwidth wether you use it or not. You might as well get the most out of your money. You paid for it, you should beable to do with it as you please so long as it does not conflict or interfer with the interest of others. (which it doesn't FieroLoki)

Back on subject: Run a FTP server.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 2:29:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hectic:

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:

Originally Posted By Hectic:
run the FTP server anyway. Who cares what your ISP says! You're paying for the bandwidth! USE IT! G4 is a nice server, google for more ftp server software.



And your a tard. Its people like you who screw it up for everyone else.



How does someone running a ftp server affect you? If I choose to put my bandwidth that I (over-)paid for to use, it'll "screw it up for everyone"!?

Running a FTP server for a few users is no problem for the ISP (or anyone else). Your ISP simply does not want someone running a business sized FTP server, which is understandable, but a personal server should be fine.

You pay for your bandwidth wether you use it or not. You might as well get the most out of your money. You paid for it, you should beable to do with it as you please so long as it does not conflict or interfer with the interest of others. (which it doesn't FieroLoki)

Back on subject: Run a FTP server.



I agree with hectic.

bittorent and kazaa(and others) are more stressfull on servers than any ftp known to man

when i called my isp a couple years back, i asked him about running servers. he said "its your bandwith, you payed for it. Use it reasonably and you will be fine."
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 4:03:17 PM EDT
I also work for a cable modem ISP here in Tampa. We will shut down a residential account in a heartbeat for running an ftp server, but you have to get caught first. We send a warning email then if you're still running it, we turn you off.
I don't think we can block port 23 on individual accounts though.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 4:48:56 PM EDT
Actually, your paying for the SPEEDS, not the bandwidth, as most ISP's (I know for a fact Cox) doesnt really have bandwidth caps. They block it for bandwidth reasons. If one person does it for a few people, and 10000 other people do the same thing, it can cause issues for other people. If you want to run an FTP when your not supposed to, but dont bitch when you get caught and they yank your internet totally from you.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:38:15 PM EDT
so which programs uses more bandwidth

kazaa, imesh, shareze , grokster etc etc uses full download and full upload speed to the max


or a ftp program. will use full upload speed
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:02:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
so which programs uses more bandwidth

kazaa, imesh, shareze , grokster etc etc uses full download and full upload speed to the max


or a ftp program. will use full upload speed



I have yet to see a P2P program utilize bandwidth worth a shit. So therefor no they dont use the "full" up and down. And actually, alot of ISP's will shut you down for using P2P programs as well.... Yes, they know what your doing. I had to call alot of people and explain this to them, and tell them the EXACT name of the file the downloaded that we caught them on.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 8:12:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fidel:
Ok I'm getting fucked by charter internet.

I am trying to set up a ftp server. I chatted online with charter and they do not ALLOW FUCKING ftp servers for their "residential" accounts.

Okay guys, can I get around this somehow. I would really like to fuck them on this.

/Rant over

-Fidel



I'm guessing they're blocking port 21 so you can't serve outbound (the common FTP port). A lot of ISPs do the same with port 80 so customers can't serve their own web pages Most FTP server software (and web server) I've seen and used allows for any port to be used. Go with some other port...556...451...3030...308...4440...whatever isn't being used.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 8:32:00 PM EDT
I just want to be able to access my damn desktop when I'm not at home, that's all.

I'm not running a mega porn/warez/music/movies ftp server.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:47:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 8:48:55 AM EDT by Hectic]
use PCanywhere or logmein.com or radmin or use a FTP server.

if they don't like it get a new ISP.

All the P2P apps I've used utilized my bandwidth very well maxing it out 95% of the time (You should check you configs). I've never heard of an ISP shutting someone down for using P2P software. to tell someone the exact name a file someone dowloaded you would need to capture alot of packets, in a way you would have to download the file to (or atleast the packets making up the file)

eventually I won't be able to surf the internet because my ISP won't allow it
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 9:30:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hectic:
use PCanywhere or logmein.com or radmin or use a FTP server.

if they don't like it get a new ISP.

All the P2P apps I've used utilized my bandwidth very well maxing it out 95% of the time (You should check you configs). I've never heard of an ISP shutting someone down for using P2P software. to tell someone the exact name a file someone dowloaded you would need to capture alot of packets, in a way you would have to download the file to (or atleast the packets making up the file)

eventually I won't be able to surf the internet because my ISP won't allow it




We do it on a daily basis at my company. Its good to be the monopoly in the area - not a damn thing they can do about it, cause we got em locked in contracts
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 9:55:49 AM EDT
our local cable co. shutdown internet service when they were infected with the blaster worm. never heard of them shutting down for filesharing

Link Posted: 2/8/2006 10:15:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/8/2006 10:16:09 AM EDT by Hectic]
If I'm infected and got shutdown I would be more happy then upset.

As far as I know ISPs don't shut you down for filesharing you get the warning letters then after maybe 3 months without complying they'll shut you down.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 10:44:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hectic:
If I'm infected and got shutdown I would be more happy then upset.

As far as I know ISPs don't shut you down for filesharing you get the warning letters then after maybe 3 months without complying they'll shut you down.



Like I said before, We do, and most others that we know of do also. It just depends on the degree of the filesharing. If you download a torrent here and there, and a song here and there. no big deal. If you are a power user downloading hundreds of gigs on a torrent connection, but thousands of TCP connections, you can bet money that it wont last long.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 9:02:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fidel:
Ok I'm getting fucked by charter internet.

I am trying to set up a ftp server. I chatted online with charter and they do not ALLOW FUCKING ftp servers for their "residential" accounts.

Okay guys, can I get around this somehow. I would really like to fuck them on this.

/Rant over

-Fidel



Serious?? I ran a FTP for a long time with TWC. Are they blocking your ports?

-d
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 9:07:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:

Originally Posted By Hectic:
run the FTP server anyway. Who cares what your ISP says! You're paying for the bandwidth! USE IT! G4 is a nice server, google for more ftp server software.



And your a tard. Its people like you who screw it up for everyone else.



Screw what up?!??

-d
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 9:17:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By richhermes:
I also work for a cable modem ISP here in Tampa. We will shut down a residential account in a heartbeat for running an ftp server, but you have to get caught first. We send a warning email then if you're still running it, we turn you off.
I don't think we can block port 23 on individual accounts though.



Good because it uses port 21 :)

-d
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 9:21:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:

Originally Posted By cruze5:
so which programs uses more bandwidth

kazaa, imesh, shareze , grokster etc etc uses full download and full upload speed to the max


or a ftp program. will use full upload speed



I have yet to see a P2P program utilize bandwidth worth a shit. So therefor no they dont use the "full" up and down. And actually, alot of ISP's will shut you down for using P2P programs as well.... Yes, they know what your doing. I had to call alot of people and explain this to them, and tell them the EXACT name of the file the downloaded that we caught them on.



BitTorrent uses pretty much any bandwidth I have available to give it. In the last month I've downloaded roughtly 38 gigs of stuff. TWC doesn't block any P2P programs. I know that for a fact.

-d
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 11:54:33 AM EDT
Wanna violate your TOS? Fine by me. Since you said it's for your personal use, just run your server on ports that aren't blocked. Pick something over 1024 and knock yourself out. Problem solved.

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