[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Myth Busters problem (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/21/2007 10:21:00 PM EDT
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So I just got finished watching an episode all about "Firearm Folklore" and I noticed a few things I wanted to mention. One of the myths they were trying to bust was about a shooting in Seattle where a guy with a glock 9mm shot at a cop holding a Colt .38 Police Positive revolver. The story goes that the bad guy's bullet struck the revolver's empty chamber (not down the barrel) and became lodged in the cylander. Adam and Jamie went through great lengths to recreate this shooting in a controlled environment lining up the two guns in what looked like shootng rests and using a laser. They got the bullet (or what was left after squeezing into a smaller diameter hole) to succesfuly lodge in the cylander. But they used an empty cylander. Wouldn't a police officer's revolver (involved in a shootout) have an empty case in the cylander? The next myth was the age old Gunny Hathcock legend where he shot an enemy sniper through the scope and killed him with a shot to the eye. Once again they lined up the guns in clamps and used lasers and shot the snot out of three scopes. Each time the bullet deflected off of one of the lenses and never managed to fully penetrate the scope for a "kill." But they were using a modern scope for the enemy's rifle. They even mentioned at the end that it was not the correct equipment, ie not the original model of scope. So why bother? Why test a myth involving bullet penetration using different gear? They declared the myth "busted" and seemed to discredit a legendary shot by a legendary sniper. Sure, it was a one in a million shot when it happened, but it could be recreated using comperable materials. Maybe I'm over thinking this. I normally kind of like their show when I happen to catch it. But this one pissed me off. Grrr. |
| They have lots of screw ups on that show. It's interesting, but not very scientific. They were trying to rip the rear axle out of a cop car with a cable. They got a cable rated to 10k lbs or something and said "This should easily hold this car that weighs a few tons". Ummm, ya, if you are gonna slowly hoist it with a crane, it'll hold, no problem, but when you get the car going 50 mph it puts a lot more than 10k lbs of force on that cable... basic basic basic physics. |
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I believe the kill was confirmed and the weapon recovered. |
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I thought that they revisited the bullet through scope one and tested using the type of optics used in Hathcock's account. They were successful in penetrating the scope with probable lethal results to the sniper with his eye to the lens. Correct me if I am wrong please. |
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I am not doubting the kill, and not even stating that the story was impossible. I don't know the guy personally, and maybe he is an honest to god George Washingtons cherry tree type, but I have known plenty of honest to god Audi Murphy type war heros with the medals on thier greens and witnesses to prove it, and I do know that even the best of them will sometimes add a little dramatic flare to the story to make it interesting. |
You are correct. |
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That's a very old episode. The Sgt. dude they had shoot the scope actually came on ARFCOM and apologized for the mistake. In a later episode, they revisited it and confirmed it was possible to shoot through a scope. Very, very old episode. This Wednesday, they are having more firearm myths. It's a new episode. |
You are correct. The revisit was done with a M91/30 sniper varient with PU scope mounted as the target. An M2 AP .30-06 round (accounts point to this being hte round used by Hathcock) successfully penetrated the scope entirely. Here is the company that supplied the Mosin Nagant and PU scope and a description of their involvement in the MythBusters revisit- www.kalinkaoptics.com/Mythbusters.aspx |
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Got a link? Sounds like a good read. |
I love the show...but usually don't take their "conclusions" too seriously. I've seen way too many episodes where WAY too many variables were not taken into consideration. Therefore, I do not take their findings in many regards too seriously either. i.e. the one they did "busting" the myth that a jet engine could flip or roll a car. They used some dinky little engine to try and flip over some big-bodied buick or caddy if I remember correctly. I have personally seen a B-52 blow a single cab S-10 across a flight like like it was a tissue in a hurricane. To quote the locals around here "I believe it because I saw it on the intern.....uh...tv" 
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Gunny Hathcock did exactly what he claimed to do. The Mythbusters later did a revisit using a correct period scope and produced results similar to what Hathcock described. |
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The Mythbusters are on our side. They demystify firearms and show people having a good time with guns. There are many more shows on TV now which show firearms in a good light. Amazingly, some of the channels that show them are historically liberal. ABC owns the History Channel. I don't recall who owns Discovery, but IIRC the parent company isn't known for their support of firearms rights. In the final analysis, these shows attract viewers and make money. Keri is hot. She is much hotter than the tattooed girl. The two guys are pretty cool. Not as cool as Mike Rowe on Dirty Jobs, but cool nonetheless. |
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They do a pretty good job but are not 100% scientifically sound on some of their experiments. One episode was setup to debunk the myth that driving with the windows down used less gas than with AC. They decided after reading the O2 sensor wasn't going to work that they needed to drive the vehicles around a track until they ran out of gas. One would have the AC on, the other windows open. Problem was that they filled both vehicles (late model Ford Explorers) with "5" gallons of gas from a safety gas can. I saw them spilling fuel and it seemed that each one of them put a different amount of gas in each vehicle. To me I would have measured as precisely as possible to ensure both vehicles had exactly the same amount of fuel. The other issue is they had two different drivers and although they drove the same speed they had different driving styles which could have affected the outcome. Still love that they debunk so many gun myths and other myths that are mostly folklore. |
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I had to chuckle to myself the other night during the cowboy gun legend episode... where they shoot the hangman rope, silver dollar, etc... They made a point to mention how they would be expecting a barrage of angry emails (after the show aired) criticizing the methods and outcomes. I immediately thought "ARFCOM"  Whether they are 100% accurate or not, doesn't bother me... as it's simply refreshing to see folks on TV having fun with guns. Rock on Mythbusters !  BTW... I DO think Keri is SMOKIN hot ! 
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Mythbusters= one of the very few recurring programs I take the time to watch. I have it set on "season pass" and watch it religiously. In the original episode about Hathcock's shot, they were very respectful of him and the shot. They never said "he didn't do it" they said "we can't do it" And then they went back and did it later with correct setup as others have said. They ain't stupid, they are actually very intelligent and the f**kers are living my dream job. |
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Quoted: Who else here thinks Kerry's(Red head) hot? [/quoteAre you kidding! That girl is absolutely shaggable! She's the main reason I watch the show.BTW, The episode they did to try to "trick" the breathalizer was really hilarious. They got shit-faced. It was awesome. |
1) This really happened. And the cylinder was empty because the cop was in a shootout with the thug. ETA - oops - misread this. Having an empty cylinder would have NO effect 2) They Re-did this myth later with a vintage scope and used AP rounds. ETA - they shouldnt piss you off. Just because they couldnt recreate the myth doesn't mean they didnt try. In the Hathcock one, they had to relook at it, get more info, and try again in another show. |
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that is AWESOME. sometimes, these guys are like the anti-futureweapons. no whispering, all substance, and a hot chick.
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  a preemptive rules quote:
fully clothed (head to toe!)...  
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woah!? Where did that come from? Neither one is gay - both are married. Sooo - I dont think the name calling is warranted. ETA - as I said before - they went back and redid the myth with more correct ammo and scope and this time pulled it off. |
It's entertainment, not science. There are always flaws in their methodology. |
Actually the more correct result would have been obtained had they TESTED THE SAME VEHICLE! Why they think that testing two cars of the same model simultaneously would be analogous is pretty stupid if you ask me. |
oh come on, the skinny guy??? married? Damn, my gaydar is malfunctioning..... |
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Did anyone see the episode were they used an automatic rifle to attempt to shoot a circle around themselves to fall through the floor? Pretty funny. After about 200-3000 rounds, they could just barely kick/stomp their way through. ETA: Kari is very hot in a flirtatious kind of way, and thank you very much for posting that youtube video of her. |
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Here is the VIDEO of the revisit: click here You need to go to search - search up mythbusters - and then go to "mythbusters uncut" for the video. Here is a RANGE REPORT of the reshoot! link
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