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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:18:22 PM EST
The modern progressive liberal stance on Israel is that they hate the Zionists scum for picking on the poor Palestinians.

Why do the progressives of the West in Europe and North America hate Israel so much? It all comes down to self loathing and the irrational leftist hatred of the right to self defense. They see a mostly white and very successful country surrounded by poor brown people, and using their liberal logic, conclude that those successful whites must have obtained their success by oppressing the poor brown people surrounding them in some way. Never mind the surrounding people's penchant for ignorance and dangerous medieval dogma. Israel obviously has a very strong military and has used it quite successfully to defend themselves in the past and currently. Well the left's stance on Trayvon Martin and Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws betray their opinions on the natural right of self defense. They believe that defending yourself with lethal force makes you a caveman unfit for civilized society, never mind the civility of those attacking you. The modern liberals' world view is one of naivety, myopia, self loathing, and willful ignorance, leading to some truly bizarre conclusions.

The hate the Arab world has towards Israel can be explained through simple demagoguery. Much of the Arab world is filled with an angry populace living in squalid conditions, with limited employment opportunities, and under a despotic government. Those despotic governments obviously would prefer to not have that same anger directed at them. So what do they do? Why call upon the world's oldest scapegoat of course, the Jews. Generations of Palestinians and other Arabs have been taught from birth to believe that those nasty Zionist Jews are responsible for all their troubles in life instead of their own medieval culture or incompetent leaders. The Arab world then takes up the false position of supporting the Palestinians against the Zionist usurpers, even though the average Arab state hardly does much at all to really improve the situation for those living in the Palestinian territories.

The Israeli Jews, like countless numbers of their ancestors, find themselves on the receiving end of an unfortunate hatred-of-convenience that shows no sign in letting up anytime soon.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:27:26 PM EST
Liberals are effectively dumb as a box of rocks. Their opinions will almost always be wrong.

Stupid sub-humans believe stupid, incorrect things.



Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:29:08 PM EST
Why, as an American, do you feel an unhealthy and unnatural need to defend Israel?
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:30:38 PM EST
As good as any other explanation I guess. I really haven't had any exposure to really "Jewish" people ––the kinds that actually practice what they preach. One of the few times was working with a little anxious kid in a private Jewish School. I was observing him in class, a religion class, and the teacher was talking about how much smarter and wiley the Jewish woman was (I think during the Babylonian captivity), Sarah (hell I don'y know)––and how stupid their captors were. I could help but think "shit, if the Jews were so fucking smart, why weren't the Babylonians their slaves?"
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:31:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By MikeSSS:
Liberals are effectively dumb as a box of rocks. Their opinions will almost always be wrong.

Stupid sub-humans believe stupid, incorrect things.





But tell us how you feel...
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:33:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/17/2012 2:34:00 PM EST by Bradders]
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:35:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
Why, as an American, do you feel an unhealthy and unnatural need to defend Israel?



Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:44:03 PM EST
israel seems to more closely reflect western ideals. that is why is support them.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:44:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By mnvwguy02:
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
Why, as an American, do you feel an unhealthy and unnatural need to defend Israel?




The foreign policy portion of George Washington's Farewell Address:

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it - It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.

Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand; neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing (with powers so disposed, in order to give trade a stable course, to define the rights of our merchants, and to enable the government to support them) conventional rules of intercourse, the best that present circumstances and mutual opinion will permit, but temporary, and liable to be from time to time abandoned or varied, as experience and circumstances shall dictate; constantly keeping in view that it is folly in one nation to look for disinterested favors from another; that it must pay with a portion of its independence for whatever it may accept under that character; that, by such acceptance, it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favors, and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion, which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard.



Yeah, TL:DR, the Sooners are playing the Mountaineers.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:45:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By mnvwguy02:
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
Why, as an American, do you feel an unhealthy and unnatural need to defend Israel?





Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:45:41 PM EST
Read the Bible.

Jews are God's people and hated

Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:47:35 PM EST
David and Goliath, role reversal
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:47:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bradders:
All of the Jewish people I've met in London (and there are many) don't agree with the Zionist state


Urbanite Jews in the West are generally raging leftists.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:48:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By JarheadPatriot:
David and Goliath, role reversal


except in this case david and his cohorts have been trolling goliath for decades
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:49:13 PM EST
Israel is a socialist country.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:49:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By MikeSSS:
Liberals are effectively dumb as a box of rocks. Their opinions will almost always be wrong.

Stupid sub-humans believe stupid, incorrect things.




Thank you for being first, as the 2nd post is directly related to your subject matter.

Originally Posted By RVAguy:
Why, as an American, do you feel an unhealthy and unnatural need to defend Israel?



Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:50:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By Andrewsky:
Israel is a socialist country.


So is the US.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:50:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/17/2012 2:52:38 PM EST by HogJaws]
So the socialists hate the Jews again, huh?

Where have I heard this before and how did it play out??

You're in good company, socialists. Stay classy now.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:51:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Andrewsky:
Israel is a socialist country.


So is the US.


We are not nearly as socialist as Israel

Nice try though
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:51:49 PM EST
I still remember the Liberty. I am not against them, but not for them either.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:53:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Andrewsky:
Israel is a socialist country.


So is the US.


We are not nearly as socialist as Israel

Nice try though


You're getting there.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:54:12 PM EST
"Pin The Blame On The Jews."

The world's favorite game for the last 2000 years.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:54:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By HogJaws:
So the ocialists hate the Jews again, huh?

Where have I heard this before and how did it play out??

You're in good company, socialists. Stay classy now.


"Socialists" isn't the first thing most historians would label the Nazis. It's an extreme oversimplification to equate Nazism to socialism. "Socialist" was in the name, but that doesn't mean anything.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:57:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By Andrewsky:
"Socialist" was in the name, but that doesn't mean anything.


Actually it does. Socialism was an integral part of Nazi ideology.

The difference between National Socialism and regular Socialism is that the latter is internationalist while the Nazis are the opposite.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:57:51 PM EST
This thread is already off the rails...

Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:58:41 PM EST
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:59:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By runcible:
"Pin The Blame On The Jews."

The world's favorite game for the last 2000 years.


There's a good percentage of Arfcom that dislikes Jews as well. I hope someone status a Catholic thread soon, all these Jewish threads are getting boring.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:59:50 PM EST
The hate for Israel is a religious issue for the muslims, they tend to spread lots of propaganda against Israel all over the world, and the stupid fools believe most of the islamic lies and propaganda.
The main question should be how much of threat islam is to the world, including it's own followers, and how to deal with it. That is the root of the problem, and if unchecked it WILL lead to WWIII.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:00:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?


My cousin stole my copy of Zelda when I was 9.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:02:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By RVAguy:

The foreign policy portion of George Washington's Farewell Address:

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. blah blah blah blah





What's all ths freedom stuff anyway?
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:02:39 PM EST
hhhmmmmm.....Jews...muzzies.....Jews....muzzies. I am going with the Jews.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:04:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?


My cousin stole my copy of Zelda when I was 9.


Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:06:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:07:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?


My cousin stole my copy of Zelda when I was 9.


http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/019/6/9/loss_for_words_by_akreon-d4mwhzv.gif


That's not even the worst of it, he left me a bullshit copy of Double Dragon, that didn't even work, in the Zelda case.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:10:24 PM EST
The izzys give us some of our best Mid East intel (as long as it suits them of course!).

As for the Arab hate, it ain't just demagoguery, there's the fact the izzys chased the pals out of Palestine and kicked their asses in just about every war.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:13:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?


My cousin stole my copy of Zelda when I was 9.


http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/019/6/9/loss_for_words_by_akreon-d4mwhzv.gif


That's not even the worst of it, he left me a bullshit copy of Double Dragon, that didn't even work, in the Zelda case.


Did ya make sure to blow in the cartridge?
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:16:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?


My cousin stole my copy of Zelda when I was 9.


http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/019/6/9/loss_for_words_by_akreon-d4mwhzv.gif


That's not even the worst of it, he left me a bullshit copy of Double Dragon, that didn't even work, in the Zelda case.


Did ya make sure to blow in the cartridge?


And did the trick where I pushed it in to console and then pull out a bit so that it "clicked" when I pushed out down.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:27:20 PM EST
Well...did what ya could


Now let's get back to our original program
Locked in for all Jew haters...
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:45:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?


They're stealing all the awards for disease cures, hard science, Nobel Prizes, etc from hardworking Palestinians and other deserving people throughout the world.

Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:50:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bradders:
All of the Jewish people I've met in London (and there are many) don't agree with the Zionist state


That would merely be a reflection of the fact that those who do have probably already moved there.

That and the massive numbers of Muslim hooligans you seem to have now.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:53:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
Why, as an American, do you feel an unhealthy and unnatural need to defend Israel?





They Value Freedom and have the balls to do what it takes to defend themselves

Sadly they put the USA to shame in that aspect


Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:22:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By JarheadPatriot:
David and Goliath, role reversal


Only if you believe in "Palestinians."
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:42:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Frost61:
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?
My goddamn wife is always leaving the cap off the toothpaste tube. Really burns my ass.

Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:42:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bradders:
All of the Jewish people I've met in London (and there are many) don't agree with the Zionist state



Of course; that's why they are in London.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:43:13 PM EST
White and Brown people? That's your explanation?
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:47:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bradders:
All of the Jewish people I've met in London (and there are many) don't agree with the Zionist state

That is why they are there and not in Israel. DUH!!
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:48:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Have Jewish people done anything personally wrong to any of y'all?


not at all, but they haven't done jack shit for me either except collect a portion of my tax dollars yearly then ask for more money and donations.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:49:18 PM EST
Three reasons

1. They are Christians/Gods people

2. They are not Hadjis

3. It pisses off Liberals

The day we turn our back on Israel is the day our country is more doomed than it already is.

Free


Originally Posted By RVAguy:
Why, as an American, do you feel an unhealthy and unnatural need to defend Israel?


Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:52:08 PM EST
I don't hate Israel but having been there and having seen how the Palestinians are treated over there much like the blacks here were treated in the '50s, I understand why the Palestinians can be angry at them.

Glad I only visited and don't live there.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:52:53 PM EST
This thread has inspired me to break out one of my favorite old T-shirts. Think I'll wear this tomorrow.


Link Posted: 11/17/2012 4:54:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
Why, as an American, do you feel an unhealthy and unnatural need to defend Israel?


This.

There is absolutely no need for the US to be involved in the security of Israel.

We don't need that kind of interventionism.

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