It’s almost like accountability is like kryptonite to them

I don't want to pile on. But I think the main issue with your statement is that it's not being supported by any side anywhere.

That may be a lot of what you have noticed in your line of study/work.  However, I think if we are being intellectually honest.  Most of that may be what the people employing you want you to believe along with it being a function of the nature of the institution (Christian).

Women looking into the services you were providing would have some sort of misgivings about the abortion.  So they're looking for an out.  Either from the responsibility of the that decision or the guilt of making it.

Because coercion is a very subjective thing in this context. Is the man saying he would rather she have an abortion coercing her.  Is this a situation where he is saying if you don't do it I'm going to make your life as uncomfortable as I can? Because either way the idea of physical force being applied seems laughable.  Not because it's unlikely, but because of how illegal and likely it would be to backfire on the guy doing it.

Along with that is the combined personal experience of posters here.  I have mentioned before I have experience with abortion.

My experience for this conversation was as follows.

One young lady told me she was pregnant.  We were dating but I was out of state at the time. I let her know I would prefer to keep the child and would return as soon as I could.  When I talked to her again about it a couple days later (I was in the bush not much service).

She said "I already had the abortion, sorry" "it's better this way I'm not ready to be a mom"

The second wasn't me directly but a lady was involved in a number of relations with lots of different guys.  She got pregnant supposedly by her NCO who was married.  She indicated that he was strongly requesting an abortion (in this case I would count it as coercion).  However, despite that pressure she seemed unconvinced and was willing to continue until she realized she may not be able to sucker another guy into helping.

#8 (most telling sign yet)
Telling CWD4ME he is wrong.

Don't blame the women. Blame those who filled their heads with this shit since they were children.

Their mothers.

Men often confuse maternal compassion given to children for general empathy, they are not the same thing.

I honestly didn't think there was room to lower the needle on your credibility. But there it is.

Are you licensed to diagnose people as "off the deep end" and offer to "raise" other people's "baseline?"
You are the degreed expert here.

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There’s a reason Satan knew to approach the woman.

Fuck, now you tell me...

Also, 19 pages of memes and the only good ones are the first two. Such a godamn waste...

This is a good start.
The next step is looking at personality traits.
That’s the stuff Stephen King makes novels out of.

A lot of women are very disturbed or very very neurotic because their husbands do not know how to handle business in the bedroom. It's very sad, there are a shit load of grown ass women, with husbands, and who have beared children who do not get to have a release in the bedroom. This will lead to hysteria

qft

It is complicated to respond to your reply here so please bear with me.  It's complicated because there are a few assumptions made by you that confuse me.  in the beginning you seem to imply that my studies might have been given to me due to a need-needing filled by the agency which I was employed.  Is this what you are implying?

The other is the assumption of your situation and how it relates to most situations.  There is no doubt that what happened to. you (horrible, and I am sorry, very sorry) does fall into the realm of a common reason for abortions.  But this does not mean that it is the most common, or even a highly likely.  There are many factors for which women terminate and they are more complex than I am able to comprehend.  I was raised Catholic and was involved in the right to life movement from a young age.  I have always been interested in what would cause a woman to decide to kill her unborn child.  While in graduate school I had to study the history of abortion in the US.  This class included laws and the history of political activism around the movement.  I had to study it from two perspectives, the social science perspective which (my opinion here) is quasi science and from the psychology of the behavior (which does use scientific methodology.). I am biased because I am pro-life.  I have no objective other than to state the facts-which is what I did to begin with.  The majority of abortions in the United States since I have last studied the data (in 2017) were coerced and paid for by male partners.  This does not mean to suggest that there is a lot (and possibly a majority, though I am not certain-I believe it would be close,) of women who are pro choice.  The data also suggests that the majority of the most outspoken women activists have not themselves had an abortion.  What that means, I am not certain other than I believe the right to abortion goes deeper than the immediate need (to terminate a pregnancy.). It is evil and it is one of the largest contributors to our GDP.  About 70% of the US GDP is services and abortion makes up just less than 40% of that 70%.  The amount of money generated by abortions annually is over 6 trillion dollars-US energy companies in comparison earn about 400 billion.  Understanding this, you need to dissect what motivates the industry.  Psychologists are required to study and learn how to treat patiences who are traumatized by their abortions, how to deal with the transfer of personal responsibility (that has been manipulated for decades) in order to obtain licensure.  Most people have a warped narrative of the right to abortion movement.  

Anyway, I don't know it all and don't mean to imply that I do.  I just know that for most women they have been coerced by a boyfriend to terminate their pregnancy, most women that I have counseled have tremendous guilt, remorseful and are not the ones marching on Washington or whatever and that threads like these are very harmful to our 2nd amendment rights.  

I'm curious-do any of you have daughters? @jungatheart @PR361 - if you do - do you hold any personal responsibility to your logic?

Sorry bro. I just found out myself.

No kidding!

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/forums/show/39.page

I have a daughter, whom I love beyond measure, and is currently serving in the US Navy.

She has managed to make some decent decisions.

But it was a struggle, her teen years were filled with angst and therapists. Drama filled the air.

My son, on the other hand, would walk unwavering through any chaos he encountered, straight and true , always focused on his goals.

He just graduated College.

I make the proclamation jokingly, but it certainly has an underlying element of truth.

“About 70% of the US GDP is services and abortion makes up just less than 40% of that 70%.  The amount of money generated by abortions annually is over 6 trillion dollars-US energy companies in comparison earn about 400 billion.”

What the actual?  


Do you have some source info to back that up or did you add a zero?

They just need to find a doctor who still does the traditional medication for hysteria

I'm just implying there is inherit bias. For both yourself and those you are working with.

So when a young woman says she's been coerced into this. There's no challenging that narrative because there is no believed benefit in doing so.  Despite the fact that these women express guilt in their actions.

Coercion being defined as - the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

So arguing with the woman for an abortion would not count neither would paying for it.

Just where women are facing force or being threatened to do so.  I think it would be much more documented with men shown to be forcing women into the clinics or endless recordings of men.  Threating violence and repercussions if she carries the child to term.

Also in that you are counseling women who experience trauma due to having an abortion.  So I also would assume that you are more likely going to counsel those who were less set on it and felt pressured than those who came to the decision completely on their own.

i hope to live long enough to experience the Auxane Micheneau sexbot.


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You are correct there is a lot of room for error and just to be clear I did not conduct the study Or collected data. The error for lying, concealing or deflecting was factored into the calculation process of the study and was compared with the money trail. If you look strictly at the money it is overwhelmingly pointed towards benefiting men more than women but it is unfair to not factor in women's complacency and advocacy.

True, I suppose that the key thing is that the individual will make the choice they believe to be more beneficial to themselves coercion or not.

So even though it seems abortion should benefit men more. On the other hand it's perceived on the guys end as yet another tool to give the woman the edge.

My observations are that many women have made up their minds on what they are willing to do before they are even pregnant.

In my opinion many women become pregnant believing on some level that the man who impregnated them will be a willing partner/ co-parent.

However, in the case of abortion entering that conversation.  The man never directly agreed to be a parent. So her becoming pregnant is often her belief this will force or solidify the issue.

So the affirmative towards the abortion is a blatant rejection. Not just of the child but often the other person outright.

So even where a woman isn't coerced I'm sure the process is very devastating.

Regardless of sex, it's a very good idea to study how to spot psychopaths.
It's a valuable and life changing lesson.
Once you learn and remove the psychopaths from your life, you'll be much safer and happier.  
They could  be people you know, friends or family. Or they could be people you follow, writers, media, politicians, religions, etc...

It is a complicated subject. Any woman who has an abortion is responsible-regardless of whether they were coerced, manipulated or was taught not to care. Obviously if they were help down and forced (which does happen-though more by practitioners than individuals) they are responsible and most women (actually all that I treated) accepted their responsibility. My experience is that about a 1/3 never recover. Most suffer miscarriages afterwards and about 65% are diagnosed with autoimmune disorders and or fibromyalgia. My experience however is very limited. I did my internship with crisis hotline and the women's center.

Guess I'm one of the lucky ones. If I remember correctly, I think that makes three of us so far in this thread?

I appreciate your stance against abortion, your work to prevent it, and your efforts assisting those who regret being involved in the practice.  However, your claim above is absolutely absurd.  How can you believe that abortion related services make up 28% of the US GDP.

Think about what you are claiming.  A little over 25 cents of every dollar in value created per year in America is related to abortion services.

All Healthcare services combined in America average 10% or so of the GDP, Abortion services would be a small percentage of that.

Hey if you have a problem with what I am saying then make an argument. I really don't care what you think about me.

Only it isn't funny. It's ridiculous how fucked up this forum has gotten regarding women.

Everyone in this thread that didn't say all women are perfect in every way is getting reported for a CoC #1 violation to share in the retardation I have experienced on this site.

@Bacon_Grease I didn't conduct the study and the bias and the error was calculated in the results. Yes there is room for error and lies and biases but it is predicted and can be measured.

I have experience on both ends of the spectrum. First marriage was to a woman with BPD and turned into quite the shit show - 5 out of the 7 years were pure hell. Second marriage was a 180 from the first and we've been together for 32 wonderful years. I wish I knew how fucked in the head some people can be when I was younger. Would have saved me a lot of heartache.

I stated it wrong the review generated can be compared to 40% of the GDP of services related goods. You need to take into account that there is more revenue garnered than from the actual service provided. Abortion in the US generates nearly 7?trillion dollars annually. I am going by memory IIRC it was provided Census Bureau.

Who would have guessed when you never hold a specific group of people accountable for their actions, their behavior turns psychopathic? Weird!

Yeah, no denying it can go either way. But I'd like to think there are more success stories than a casual perusal of GD would indicate. Even your own experience indicates that it could be 50/50. Glad you found the one, but for others....

Pro tip: Try to meet as many of her family members as possible before you go all-in, parents and siblings are essential. If even one of those appears to be a little bit crazy, loopy, ditzy, off, whatever - abort, eject, ghost her. Don't try to explain it away as a one-off - just. fucking. eject.

That shit does run in families, whether genetic or learned behavior. Not sure if there is published evidence of this, so I'm not going to debate it, but you will avoid problems if you avoid families with craycray anywhere in the mix. Avoid the crazy - those are made for one night or one weekend stands. Guessing the same advice would apply to women looking for Mr Right.

I must point out that "bias and the error (or the respondents) was calculated in the results (by the authors)" is another way of saying that the results were skewed to fit their preconceived ideas.

"We fixed the results and hey! They agree with us!"

Correct All women and Psycho , some hide it batter that others.

A lot of you all are confusing sociopathy for psychopathy.  
You may never know you are interacting with a psychopath we wear masks and blend you.  My tell is my complete lack of empathy or ability to be sad, anxious, depressed, and all those useless emotions.  I can fake a lot of these things very well by learning how to emulate others who experience it.

Now you are just full of shit

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Absolute truth. Another component Psychopath’s lack is a conscience. They fake that also-in my personal experience by appearing “religious”.

Wait until you get to the part where the abortion industry accounts for 28% of the US GDP...