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Posted: 3/13/2019 12:19:06 PM EDT
This is ridiculous, a true engineering disaster, how many tens of millions is this now? Glad we don't have to deal with this, we have used ARC and Autolive for decades, now others are too
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/13/702894575/honda-recalls-1-1-million-vehicles-after-air-bag-injures-driver Honda has recalled more than 1 million Acura and Honda vehicles in the United States with air bag inflators that, if deployed during a crash, could explode and shoot pieces of sharp metal at the driver and passengers the safety feature is intended to protect.
The car company announced the recall of about 1.1 million vehicles on Tuesday, marking the latest in a series of recalls linked to Takata, the company that supplies the air bag inflator. Takata is already part of the largest automotive recall in U.S. history. About 37 million vehicles containing 50 million of the company's defective air bags are part of that recall, according to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The regulatory agency says it has confirmed that 15 people in the United States have been killed by faulty air bag inflators from Takata, and at least 250 people have allegedly been injured. In 2017, Takata agreed to pay $1 billion in a settlement with the U.S. Justice Department for concealing the defect from its customers. Tuesday's recall might not have been necessary if not for Takata's earlier missteps. According to a letter the NHTSA sent to Honda on March 11, some of the air bag inflators the company recalled on Tuesday were originally installed to fix a problem with older inflators that were part of a previous Takata recall. That's why, Honda says, the total number of Honda and Acura vehicles affected by Takata recalls won't change. But the total number of recalled inflators in Honda and Acura cars will rise to about 21 million, according to the company. A timeline submitted to the NHTSA as part of Honda's recall report shows the company launched an investigation into the flawed safety feature in April 2018, after it learned about a crash that had happened a few months earlier. Honda said that the precipitating accident involved a 2004 Honda Odyssey with a replacement inflator that ruptured when the air bag deployed and injured the driver's arm. In its investigation, Honda found that inflators made at a Takata facility in Monclova, Mexico, had "experienced manufacturing process errors that introduced excessive moisture into the inflator during assembly." According to Honda, over time, excess moisture in a sealed inflator can produce a higher than normal pressure when the air bag deploys, causing it to rupture. When that happens, the explosion can cause pieces of metal to pass through the air bag into the car at a high speed, which, according to the safety recall report, "may result in injury or death to vehicle occupants." According to The Associated Press, the NHTSA said in a statement Tuesday it believes the problem has been isolated and that only Honda used the dangerous Takata inflator that was made at the factory in Mexico. The regulatory agency, which still has an open investigation into the defective Takata product, also said not every car that had replacement inflators installed is at risk because the parts came from other manufacturers, according to the AP. Owners of affected vehicles can expect to be notified beginning on or about April 17. Honda said replacement parts from suppliers other than Takata are available to start recall repairs. The company also said it would provide rental cars to owners for free while they get their car fixed or wait for a replacement part. View Quote |
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We just got the recall notice for our 2011 Subaru Outback passenger side airbag.
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So Honda is mounting claymores in the steering wheel and dash?
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Had our Pilot worked on under this recall, glad I didn’t get my face exploded.
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I got a letter the other day saying my Mercedes is affected and the the airbag has to be replaced. How many other brands are going to get recalled I wonder.
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According to the NHTSA over 50 million air bags are defective, and I think that's just in the United States
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She has healed quite nicely
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We took our Civic in and they replaced one of the inflators so they could use it for testing. Think they gave us $150 for the trouble but why the hell only replace one of them when they knew damn well they were junk.
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wow. gonna look into this. thanks for the heads up.
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Jesus.
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View Quote 2. I just figured out the answer for all the "drunk driving shouldn't be a crime" folks. You blow into a tube when you start your car. If it detects alcohol, the air bag is set to " detonate the skull" mode, so if your drunk ass crashes you get your brain splattered. No more drunk drivers surviving crashes where they kill innocent people! Win/win! |
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Plenty of the manufacturers have for the past 15 years it seems, very few are unaffected at all View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: 1. THat's obviously not from the airbag. 2. I just figured out the answer for all the "drunk driving shouldn't be a crime" folks. You blow into a tube when you start your car. If it detects alcohol, the air bag is set to " detonate the skull" mode, so if your drunk ass crashes you get your brain splattered. No more drunk drivers surviving crashes where they kill innocent people! Win/win! View Quote |
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Those replacements took forever to come out and for a while Toyota was still making NEW vehicles with the defective airbags because they believed they had a few years before they would degrade.
Meaning your brand new vehicle already had a known recall planned in the future. |
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I need to get my civic fixed
I did not realize it was that big of a deal |
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Ho lee shit. Maybe I should start wearing my ACH and eye pro when I drive.
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I had a car accident in my Honda that failed to set off the airbag (not my fault). $4300 in damages. A day later I got the letter about the recall.
Dodged a bullet on that one. |
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My wife is taking her Subaru in next week for the same thing.
We just got the recall notice last week. |
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I guess Takata doesn't equal Japanese quality.
My older Power Wagon had those in it. Took forever to get the passenger side airbag, IIRC. |
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Just had the passenger side airbag in my Charger replaced yesterday.
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Chevrolet still says they cant replace mine on my 2009 Silverado. Yet they can still produce new trucks with air bags.
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I had a car accident in my Honda that failed to set off the airbag (not my fault). $4300 in damages. A day later I got the letter about the recall. Dodged a bullet on that one. View Quote it didn't happen with every deployment, only enough of them, and probably wouldn't have happened to an az car. |
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IIRC it had to do with corrosion to a metal component in the airbag that would weaken it, turning it into shrapnel. it didn't happen with every deployment, only enough of them, and probably wouldn't have happened to an az car. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I had a car accident in my Honda that failed to set off the airbag (not my fault). $4300 in damages. A day later I got the letter about the recall. Dodged a bullet on that one. it didn't happen with every deployment, only enough of them, and probably wouldn't have happened to an az car. |
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Had this done on my BMW few years ago.
You peons are next in line. |
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Improper propellant was used, engineers advised against it but dudes higher up the chain said to roll with it.
Internal memos showed engineers notifying people and being told to basically stfu. |
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Improper propellant was used, engineers advised against it but dudes higher up the chain said to roll with it. Internal memos showed engineers notifying people and being told to basically stfu. View Quote They saved money in the now by screwing the future. |
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I love how everyone makes money off these recalls, and the poor car owner has to sit in the shop half the day or rent a car on their own dime. Toyota specifically said no loaner cars for airbag recalls, and I think other manufacturers did too.
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My Honda Accord falls into the recall range again yet it is not recalled.
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I heard nothing but nightmare stories about the issues at the Mexico planet..quitting Takata an going back into the Army was much better.
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I received a letter last week for my Ford Ranger.
Dealership won't give me a loaner. |
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Is this a new recall or a continuation from Honda's a few years ago? Mine were replaced in that recall. Are the replaced one's from then being recalled?
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