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Posted: 8/14/2001 4:54:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2001 7:33:04 PM EDT by GoatBoy]
As you can see, I locked several threads in relation to the McUzi site being down and the hand Hangfire allegedly had in that happening. AR15.com and it's owners&staff have distanced themselves from the site some time ago. We asked the administration of the site to take off any banners indicicating a relation to this site. And the McUzi staff did so accordingly. So why all the locking and editing, if I myself dont agree with Hangfires steps taken. Currently the only remaining open thread is the one asking for Hangfire's response. It will will remain open for a while(if up to me) untill Hangfire choses to respond. If it turns down into the flamefest the other threads turned to it too will be closed. The account StemcellElvis has been locked too, not because of these latest developments. But because this staff locked McUzi out of this site for some time now, opening with another nickname doesnt exempt him from being locked. I am asking all of you to take this to email channels, McUzi made sure you all got that adress. Thanks in advance Kuiper [i]Ok didn't wanna send this up top, but this is pointless and going downhill... PEACE![/i]
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 5:33:26 AM EDT
HAHAHA! Some moderators think they are so "hip" to what goes on... If you only knew what went on between the site owners via e-mail, you would probably be suprised... Let's just say they are all one big family.
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 5:35:10 AM EDT
What makes you think I don't
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THANKS! KUIPER AND GB! THANK YOU!.....THANK YOU!... KEEP THE DIRT OUT OF THIS BOARD!
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 6:09:57 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/14/2001 3:31:50 PM EDT
It looks as though a bunch of threads were not only locked, but deleted altogether.
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 3:50:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 4:00:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: If he did it there i am sure one day he wil do it here. I don't want to see him cause problems here.mike
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Your skills as a logician are in serious need of an overhaul. What happened there could never happen here. What happened there was the result of the loons being in charge of the loon house. This site was built from the ground up. The other site was a gift, nobody earned it, nobody had to make sacrifices, it was in a sense like a rich stepdad giving the youngun the keys to a very fast car, which the youngun promptly drove off an totaled, he didn't know the value of the car because he didn't have anything invested. No sweat equity, nothing.
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 4:31:47 PM EDT
So are you saying that since YOU felt he didn't "earn" his site, that was justification for YOU to contact anti-firearm groups like the SPLC, FBI & NAACP? Did you NOT consider the membes who NEVER bothered you but enjoyed the site? REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.....
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 4:39:02 PM EDT
YEA1 This ain't know beauty salon, with these friggin BS stories.
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 6:39:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: Your skills as a logician are in serious need of an overhaul. What happened there could never happen here. What happened there was the result of the loons being in charge of the loon house. This site was built from the ground up. The other site was a gift, nobody earned it, nobody had to make sacrifices, it was in a sense like a rich stepdad giving the youngun the keys to a very fast car, which the youngun promptly drove off an totaled, he didn't know the value of the car because he didn't have anything invested. No sweat equity, nothing.
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Umm... I'm really confused. Please, suffer a fool (me) and be a little more specific. Are you saying that you did what folks are accusing you of? If so, are you saying that you did them because McUZI didn't "earn" his site? [?]
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 7:53:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: So are you saying that since YOU felt he didn't "earn" his site, that was justification for YOU to contact anti-firearm groups like the SPLC, FBI & NAACP? Did you NOT consider the membes who NEVER bothered you but enjoyed the site? REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.....
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Understand this, what I did I did with fair notice and warning, to protect myself and my family. I have little hope you and others will understand until you are subjected to the same treatment in a similar circumstance. The firearm content of the sight was of so little import imho to classify it as a firearm sight and in any event I never mentioned firearms to the people I talked to. Your argument makes as much sense as the NRA standing up for a child pornographer just because he has a ccp or is a member of a RKBA group. The two are mutually exclusive. If your home is invaded and property stolen you call the police notwithstanding their anti-gun bias. Consideration for others who enjoyed the site? Excuse me for being so self centered as to not have one iota of thought about them. In summation, the demise of the site was I believe the result of poor business plan vision and poor business plan execution, in plain english, incompetence. Remember that more than a few people were given the mcuzi treatment. People in this community that have a lot more muscle than I will ever hope to have.
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 8:24:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: If he did it there i am sure one day he wil do it here. I don't want to see him cause problems here.mike
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Your skills as a logician are in serious need of an overhaul. What happened there could never happen here. What happened there was the result of the loons being in charge of the loon house. This site was built from the ground up. The other site was a gift, nobody earned it, nobody had to make sacrifices, it was in a sense like a rich stepdad giving the youngun the keys to a very fast car, which the youngun promptly drove off an totaled, he didn't know the value of the car because he didn't have anything invested. No sweat equity, nothing.
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So..because McUzis sight did not meet YOUR personal standards of what a valid firearms website was....you did the firearms community a vast favor by doing what you had to do? That is a very lame excuse and I very seriously doubt THAT was your motivation. I think eveyone here knows it must go deeper. What was it really? Care to share?
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 9:46:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2001 9:44:04 PM EDT by FrankTheSpank]
I have no beef with HANGFIRE.. But if it is true that he, claims to be pro 2nd amendment, beats his chest like the rest of us when it comes to the Bill of Rights yet when someone yanks his panties the first thing he does is run to anti 2nd amendment originations... I say he is a big pussy that needs to grow a new pair or get back the ones that his wife keeps in her purse and act like a man or just put a rainbow sticker on the back of his car and get it over with. That is IF what is said is all true. If I am not clear like an un-mudded river then pardon my ignorance. Contacting law enforcement is one thing, contacting openly anti 2nd amendment originations while claiming to support the rights of every American citizen is another. I loved McUZI.com, great site. I was a little iffy on the racial slurs, but ya know... if I support the 2nd I better damn well support the 1st. The 1st does NOT include threats of any kind. The only thing I saw on McUZI.com that could be taken as a threat was the picture with McUZI's name on it riddled with bullet holes, good thing McUZI has a sense of humor, I sorta wish others did as well. "And that's all I have to say about that..."
Link Posted: 8/14/2001 11:42:09 PM EDT
Hangfire- is that pic of you with yer dad on McUZI.com Real or Photoshopped?
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 12:43:29 AM EDT
I still don't know what happened. All I can say is it looks like HANGFIRE thinks he is above the rest of us LOWLY gun owners. Plainly with allies like HANGFIRE, we as gunowners don't need enemies. I was really excited that I as a gunowner had an internet network with which I could associate with likeminded gunowners. Be it AR15com or McUzicom. It's too bad there are people among our own group whom would see us hung, due to their own personal paradigms, which they obviously value far more highly than the welfare of gun owners as a community. Thanks to people like HANGFIRE, traitors among our own ranks are now an acceptable reality. It's about more than a UBB board, it is about a social standard which we all obviously accept. I for one find disgust in the selfishness and hypocrisy demonstrated by my peers. To SteyrAUG and the few others I respect, it has been beautiful knowing you. The rest of you can go fuck a dog. FUCK YOU.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 12:51:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2001 12:47:04 AM EDT by Ulysse_Nardin_1846]
Originally Posted By hatebreed: I still don't know what happened. All I can say is it looks like HANGFIRE thinks he is above the rest of us LOWLY gun owners. Plainly with allies like HANGFIRE, we as gunowners don't need enemies. I was really excited that I as a gunowner had an internet network with which I could associate with likeminded gunowners. Be it AR15com or McUzicom. It's too bad there are people among our own group whom would see us hung, due to their own personal paradigms, which they obviously value far more highly than the welfare of gun owners as a community. Thanks to people like HANGFIRE, traitors among our own ranks are now an acceptable reality. It's about more than a UBB board, it is about a social standard which we all obviously accept. I for one find disgust in the selfishness and hypocrisy demonstrated by my peers. To SteyrAUG and the few others I respect, it has been beautiful knowing you. The rest of you can go fuck a dog. FUCK YOU.
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Ya, sure gonna miss Joe Stalin.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 12:57:09 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/15/2001 1:19:29 AM EDT
Wow, It looks like quite a soap opera has been going on here of late. HANGFIRE, aren't you the one here who threatened to sue a member of this board (I think it may have been the old board) when he told you to chill out, because you'd live longer? Instead of taking it as any rational person would - as a light hearted remark that you are too easily worked up over little stuff and the stress will kill you - you took it as a personal threat. This kind of hurts your credibility with me. Hiding behind lawyers (not just lawyers for groups many of us have political difference with) over matters better resolved man to man (I fail to believe you gave those McUzi folks much opportunity to react to your issues) shows a shocking lack of character. My $.02, for what it's worth.
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 1:28:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 2:34:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: to protect myself and my family
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WTF?? Did anyone threaten/attack your family? No, I didn't think so.. You seem to like to associate those who don't agree with you with child molesters/pornographers. That is pretty low, it would piss most people off. You get what you ask for. Still those whose name you run though the mud don't contact FBI,CIA,SOCOM, and the damn Postal Inspector to accuse you of being a violent individual/pedophile/mean person or whatever they can think of, do they? I bet you were the king stool pigeon in High School! Give me some straight facts that have to do with this incident, try to stay on subject. Convince me that you did the RIGHT thing and I'll join the few other supporters you have. Until then... *** GO AWAY**
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 2:59:53 AM EDT
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...all we need is love....la la lalala....all we need is love..... la la lalala.......love is all we need.....love is all we need........ -- The Beatles C...c...c.....a...an't we a...all all j....just get a...a....a...long...long??????? --Rodney King
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 3:58:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: I have little hope you and others will understand until you are subjected to the same treatment in a similar circumstance.
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May be true Hangfire... But here's the problem I see in it. I've had run-ins with several members of the board, including GB, Gunslinger and a couple of others. On my worst day, I doubt that I could be 1/4 the asshole you've proven yourself to be. How much of this terrible treatment you've been subjected to is a result of your own behavior?? You remind me alot of a bully I knew in high school a LONG time ago. Everything was fine and dandy as long as he was the one doing the ass-kicking. First time he got his clock cleaned - "call mommy, call daddy, call the principal, the superintendent, call the POLICE!! HE HIT ME AND HURT ME!!!!!!!" **GO AWAY HANGFIRE**
Link Posted: 8/15/2001 4:03:07 AM EDT
Who cares? Honestly. Just don't read or respond to his posts, if you don't like him. It's the internet. If you ignore him, he doesn't exist.
Link Posted: 8/20/2001 12:18:10 PM EDT
Seems to me that Hangfire has done just what the anti-gun liberals love. He's equating gun owners with child pornographers and therefore making all gun owners look like low-life criminals.
Link Posted: 8/20/2001 12:40:30 PM EDT
Well, it seems we've gotten all of HANGFIRE's story that we're going to get. It's called PROJECTION and RATIONALIZATION. Projection in that he has barely controllable anger that he projects onto everyone he has an issue with at the time. "I was just protecting my family." Oh, really? From the bad NRA that protects child pornographers? What the hell is the point of THAT statement? Is this your rationalization? Scary! Seems that HANGFIRE's the only person who'll ever understand his reasoning, basically because it's severely flawed and tainted by significant pschological overtones. I don't accept his reasoning and I don't anticipate receiving any better factual information to support his actions. I supported McUzi because he at least made an effort to CREATE something. I have no respect for someone who only seeks to destroy.
Link Posted: 8/20/2001 1:11:51 PM EDT
[rolleyes] CB
Link Posted: 8/20/2001 2:12:05 PM EDT
From an E-mail to Hangfire: Hello Hangfire, sorry you got all that grief over at AR15.com about that pathetic excuse for a human being MC Trash. I get full of too much rage to be able to articulate anything, worth a darn, on the subject over at AR15.com. I've hit Cancel on a lot of messages I started on the subject of Hate that is generated by a few of the members. One time when one of our members posted a message that he was considering suicide MC Klux berated him and told him to do it. You've got my support. Truxillo
Link Posted: 8/20/2001 2:17:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By truxillo: From an E-mail to Hangfire: Hello Hangfire, sorry you got all that grief over at AR15.com about that pathetic excuse for a human being MC Trash. I get full of too much rage to be able to articulate anything, worth a darn, on the subject over at AR15.com. I've hit Cancel on a lot of messages I started on the subject of Hate that is generated by a few of the members. One time when one of our members posted a message that he was considering suicide MC Klux berated him and told him to do it. You've got my support. Truxillo
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I think pathetic trash is defined by someone who uses a fake screen name to voice an opinion. And BTW- You can't articulate things because you are "mad" The reason is because you are stupid. Anti's are the same way. "I CAN'T ARTICULATE WHY I WANT TO BAN GUNS BECAUSE I AM SO MAD ABOUT THE SCHOOL SHOOTING" Youy are lame. Baaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! BBaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Link Posted: 8/20/2001 7:12:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: So are you saying that since YOU felt he didn't "earn" his site, that was justification for YOU to contact anti-firearm groups like the SPLC, FBI & NAACP? .....
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Understand this, what I did I did with fair notice and warning, to protect myself and my family. I have little hope you and others will understand until you are subjected to the same treatment in a similar circumstance....
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Confession?
Link Posted: 8/20/2001 7:40:06 PM EDT
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