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Posted: 10/10/2008 3:57:47 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:00:59 AM EST
Details are big money for some of those guys.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:01:18 AM EST
Damn which civilians? The ones holding the flags or the ones breaking the law to disrupt them?
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:01:22 AM EST
holy shit....the cost-saving flaggers were paid between $15 and $19 per hour
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:01:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:02:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:03:04 AM EST
Damn. That's good cash for getting a tan.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:04:30 AM EST
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:04:35 AM EST
Gah.

Heard about this on the radio the other day while exercising.
Makes me ill.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:11:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2008 4:12:52 AM EST by Admiral_Crunch]

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.


Cops are only at very dangerous or massive construction sites here. The rest just have mexicans with stop/slow signs to direct traffic. No problems I've ever seen.

And the ones with the cops just have a cop sitting in a cruiser with his lights flashing. He doesn't actually do anything except watch for idiots to pull over. The construction guys still do all the directing.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:11:08 AM EST
LEO's don't flag at all here and it works great !
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:11:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.




and you wonder why guys like me have absolutely no respect for guys like you
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:12:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2008 4:12:37 AM EST by NoVaGator]

Originally Posted By KG5S:
LEO's don't flag at all here and it works great !


that's unpossible.

there will be plenty of northern-state cops here to tell you that there will be mayhem and carnage with non-LEO flaggers
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:12:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.


So if there's an accident while you are there sitting in your cruiser who gets sued?
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:13:38 AM EST
From what I have read, this is part of the program to dissuade people from voting to end the income tax. The legislature passed this, so they could point at it and say, look, we are trying to save tax dollars.



Vote to end the income tax.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:13:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.



Flaggers? You mean the same job that's done by mexicans and middle-aged meth addicts around here, is done by LEO there?

Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:14:17 AM EST
Hopefully you guys don't. I'd prefer lower taxes. K? Thanks.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:15:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By KG5S:
LEO's don't flag at all here and it works great !


that's unpossible.

there will be plenty of northern-state cops here to tell you that there will be mayhem and carnage with non-LEO flaggers


Kinda like people in New Jersey and Oregon insisting that disaster will befall untrained gas pump operators?
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:15:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2008 4:17:47 AM EST by Justice23]

Originally Posted By zombievt:
Details are big money for some of those guys.


I have made an extra 20K so far this year.


Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
there will be plenty of northern-state cops here to tell you that there will be mayhem and carnage with non-LEO flaggers


More like TEOTWAWKI
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:15:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By 338winmag:
From what I have read, this is part of the program to dissuade people from voting to end the income tax. The legislature passed this, so they could point at it and say, look, we are trying to save tax dollars.



Vote to end the income tax.


I plan on it...Ref 1 this year for MA residents is a vote to reduce the tax in '09 and eliminate it in '10.
'Course it won't pass because of the scare tactics employed by the those who wish to keep paying taxes.

Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:16:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2008 4:16:18 AM EST by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:16:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By KG5S:
LEO's don't flag at all here and it works great !


that's unpossible.

there will be plenty of northern-state cops here to tell you that there will be mayhem and carnage with non-LEO flaggers


Kinda like people in New Jersey and Oregon insisting that disaster will befall untrained gas pump operators?


yup

just like that union electrician in NYC that told me I was taking my life into my own hands by plugging in lights at an expo booth.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:18:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2008 4:19:30 AM EST by Primos]

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.




Wow!
How on earth does the rest of the country get by without cops sitting at every road construction site?!??!?
Holy shit man, we're all gonna die unless we all pay someone 'profeshunal enuf'!!!

Looks like Chicago cops have some competition!
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:19:26 AM EST
Most flagging done here is by civilians. About the only time we see LOE flaggers is when the road is being closed. Next thing you will here about is loosing your jobs as escorts for funeral precession.

Another good perk police around here get is taking their patrol car home at night. I have had loe friends get discounted/free rent at apartments for simply providing "security" by having their cars parked there.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:19:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By beagler76:

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.



Flaggers? You mean the same job that's done by mexicans and middle-aged meth addicts around here, is done by LEO there?



Why do you think taxes in the northeast are 2-4x the rate of red states?
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:19:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By 338winmag:
From what I have read, this is part of the program to dissuade people from voting to end the income tax. The legislature passed this, so they could point at it and say, look, we are trying to save tax dollars.



Vote to end the income tax.


I plan on it...Ref 1 this year for MA residents is a vote to reduce the tax in '09 and eliminate it in '10.
'Course it won't pass because of the scare tactics employed by the those who wish to keep paying taxes.



Vote Yes on 1.

Regarding the original post, this is finally a step in the right direction. Now we need to tackle the prevailing wage law that over pays the new flaggers we hired. Unions have kept us over the barrel for far too long.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:20:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.


A cop as a flagger? What a colossal waste of money. Don't use them here and don't need to.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:20:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By Justice23:

Originally Posted By zombievt:
Details are big money for some of those guys.


I have made an extra 20K so far this year.


Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
there will be plenty of northern-state cops here to tell you that there will be mayhem and carnage with non-LEO flaggers


More like TEOTWAWKI


just to be clear....you're bragging about "earning" $20K in what amounts to welfare.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:21:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By KG5S:
LEO's don't flag at all here and it works great !


that's unpossible.

there will be plenty of northern-state cops here to tell you that there will be mayhem and carnage with non-LEO flaggers


Kinda like people in New Jersey and Oregon insisting that disaster will befall untrained gas pump operators?


yup

just like that union electrician in NYC that told me I was taking my life into my own hands by plugging in lights at an expo booth.



You all just hate America! Unless we pay trained profeshunalz to protect us from the dangerz and perilz of everyday life, we are very likely to die at every turn!
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:22:41 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:23:29 AM EST
This is completely foreign to me.

Why does it have to be a cop?

Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:23:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By Seydou:
A cop as a flagger? What a colossal waste of money. Don't use them here and don't need to.


Exactly.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:24:13 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:26:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Protesters parked on the state highway and entered a posted work zone, both of which are illegal, said state Highway Commissioner Luisa Paiewonsky. One off-duty officer also drove down the street against the flow of traffic, saying he had been misdirected by a flagger.


I wonder how many citations were handed out?
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:26:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By rangermonroe:

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.






and you wonder why guys like me have absolutely no respect for guys like you


Why, because we have a way of making extra income? I put my life on the line everyday and don't get paid shit for it. Increase my base pay and I'll stop the road jobs.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:26:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2008 4:28:15 AM EST by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:27:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By peekay:
This is completely foreign to me.

Why does it have to be a cop?



In the past it was required. Not only was it required to have detail cops at a ridiculous rate, there was a 4 hour minimum, regardless of the detail length.

Don't move to MA.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:29:50 AM EST
Here they just hire a couple of undocumented workers and give them a flag. How hard can it be to wave down traffic?



On the income tax. The first time it was on the ballot, it got 45% of the vote, and they didn't have any money backing it. This year they have some money to do some advertising and with the economic downturn, they just might get this thing passed. I hate income taxes so bad I have donated to the cause, even though I don't live in MA.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:29:52 AM EST
disgraceful...... need more money, go into another line of work
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:30:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By agentile:

Originally Posted By rangermonroe:

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.






and you wonder why guys like me have absolutely no respect for guys like you


Why, because we have a way of making extra income? I put my life on the line everyday and don't get paid shit for it. Increase my base pay and I'll stop the road jobs.


If you're unhappy with your job, find a new one. Just because you want more money, doesn't mean the citizens are required to fork it over.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:31:06 AM EST
Funny, if they were CEO's lots of people would be saying whatever they make they are worth it, they have special skills and training...................
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:31:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By Justice23:

Originally Posted By zombievt:
Details are big money for some of those guys.


I have made an extra 20K so far this year.


Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
there will be plenty of northern-state cops here to tell you that there will be mayhem and carnage with non-LEO flaggers


More like TEOTWAWKI


just to be clear....you're bragging about "earning" $20K in what amounts to welfare.


How is it welfare? I am being paid a wage to do a job. Wouldn't welfare be if I was paid for not working?

It is more than just sitting in a car around here. Yesterday I flapped my arms in the middle of the road with one lane alternating traffic for 8 hours.

Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:32:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2008 4:41:55 AM EST by TurdyDingo]

Originally Posted By agentile:

Originally Posted By rangermonroe:

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.






and you wonder why guys like me have absolutely no respect for guys like you


Why, because we have a way of making extra income? I put my life on the line everyday and don't get paid shit for it. Increase my base pay and I'll stop the road jobs.
Boo hoo, find a different job like everyone else does.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:32:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.


So if there's an accident while you are there sitting in your cruiser who gets sued?


I for one, do not "sit" in my cruiser. I park it at the begining of the construction zone and walk the site dealing with traffic. If an accident does happen, our department is partially responsible as well as the contractor.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:33:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:
Funny, if they were CEO's lots of people would be saying whatever they make they are worth it, they have special skills and training...................


The two aren't comparable. A for-profit business pays it's employees according to their worth to the company, ie: the revenue they generate or help generate. If you want a CEO salary, become a CEO.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:34:07 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:35:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By agentile:

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.


So if there's an accident while you are there sitting in your cruiser who gets sued?


I for one, do not "sit" in my cruiser. I park it at the begining of the construction zone and walk the site dealing with traffic. If an accident does happen, our department is partially responsible as well as the contractor.


Yeah. None of the cops sit in their cruiser. They're all actively working. Funny. Every time I drive by a detail the cop is staring in a hole or sitting in his cruiser. I guess we just get all the good ones here.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:37:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By agentile:

Originally Posted By rangermonroe:

Originally Posted By agentile:
Yeah, this is a HUGE problem for us LEO's. Most of us rely on the extra income from road jobs to supplement our base pay. So far, most of the big contractors (gas, electric & cable companies) agree with us and want LEO's to watch over road side construction. If an accident happens while a flagman is overseeing the job, guess who gets sued? The contractor who hired them. Plus most of our road jobs require a cruiser with flashing lights to be present, most people slow way down when the see the flashing blues. Not to many slow down when the guy on the side of the road is waving a 12" x 12" orange flag.

Hopefully we win this battle.






and you wonder why guys like me have absolutely no respect for guys like you


Why, because we have a way of making extra income? I put my life on the line everyday and don't get paid shit for it. Increase my base pay and I'll stop the road jobs.



What is different now? You can still apply for that same road job today. You can () compete with everyone else for it.
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:39:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:
Funny, if they were CEO's lots of people would be saying whatever they make they are worth it, they have special skills and training...................


CEO's are answerable to boards who are, in turn, answerable to shareholders.

If the people who own GM stock want to give their CEO a golden urinal and an exotic virgin to massage him every time he needs to go wee, that's their business.

Tax money is a different kettle of fish.


Uh-huh......................................

Why the difference in perception between guys that make millions, sometimes doing nothing useful, and the guys that would run into a burning building to get strangers out?

Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:39:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2008 4:42:28 AM EST
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