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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:53:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/24/2013 6:54:25 PM EST by rabidus]
Sounds obvious but since I will not be shooting bench rest should I bother to bed my stock 10/22?

Any other accuracy enhancing ideas?

I'm going to do iron sights my first time. If I don't get rifleman I'll use a scope on my 2nd appleseed.

Was going to get a quick mag release lever.

Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:02:11 PM EST
Quick bolt release & target hammer -- saves a ton of frustration and the trigger does help with accuract
Tech Sights or scope
GI Sling
Two spare mags (total of 4) -- nice to have but not strictly necessary

That's all you need.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:08:26 PM EST
Biggest help I can think of for accuracy on the 10/22 is trigger work. And taking the barrel band off if yours has one. Having the bolt head spaced helps too.

Never done an Appleseed but want to.

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Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:08:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By armaborealis:
Quick bolt release & target hammer -- saves a ton of frustration and the trigger does help with accuract
Tech Sights or scope
GI Sling
Two spare mags (total of 4) -- nice to have but not strictly necessary

That's all you need.
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This guy has the right of it.
Ghost ring sites really do work.
I can't tell you how easy they are to install.
Hell, a cave man could do it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:09:51 PM EST
I put some money into a 10/22 with a new "match barrel" and a Kidd? trigger kit. The trigger is better, however I don't think the rifle is any more accurate.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:09:53 PM EST
I'm going to do some documenting of modding a couple stock 10/22's this winter for just this purpose. I'm an Appleseed instructor and am always loaning my rifles out or helping friends get their rifles ready. Curious myself about two questions. How much accuracy is gained and how much sling influence there really is?

My plans are: Factory barrel free floated, pillar bed action, Tech Sights, QD sling sockets.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:10:21 PM EST
Just about FPNI.

I took my wood stock 10/22 added 1.25" swivels, GI sling, tech sights, and the bolt release.
If I ever get more 10/22s they will be identical to that!
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:10:48 PM EST
The gun is accurate enough for Appleseed stock from the factory.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:12:25 PM EST
I got my patch with a stock sporter 10/22(on the last round of the 2nd day though). I wentwith my dad, and he probably would have got it on the same round as me, but the lady next to him shot his target, which invalidated it. Would have been awesome to earn them together..
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:13:24 PM EST
I already have the tech gi sights installed.

Planning on a gi sling.

Buying a kidd mag release, extractor and guide rod-spring kit.

Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:15:15 PM EST
I have a green mountain .920" heavy barrel and hogue stock but would that be too heavy to hold all day?
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:17:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/24/2013 7:20:05 PM EST by buck19delta]
Originally Posted By rabidus:
Sounds obvious but since I will not be shooting bench rest should I bother to bed my stock 10/22?

Any other accuracy enhancing ideas?

I'm going to do iron sights my first time. If I don't get rifleman I'll use a scope on my 2nd appleseed.

Was going to get a quick mag release lever.

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bedding is not needed. put in a trigger kit. then try different ammo..... after this the most you will need is a barrel, but honestly, a new stock, would be the cheapest way to go, as its probably the problem. instal a hogue stock, or really ANY stock that does not use the barrel band, and you will see a huge improvement . the biggest problem with 10/22's is the trigger, and the barrel band screwing up accuracy.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:17:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By rabidus:
I already have the tech gi sights installed.

Planning on a gi sling.

Buying a kidd mag release, extractor and guide rod-spring kit.

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Peep sights and a sling are all you need.

The stock sights

Seriously, shot my first Appleseed with a stock 10/22 I bout at a pawn shop, did just fine.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:19:03 PM EST
Bed the action free float the barrel. Glue barrel to action. Trigger job. access hole in back of action or proper cleaning.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:47:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/24/2013 7:49:41 PM EST by sslocal]
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Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Bed the action free float the barrel. Glue barrel to action. Trigger job. access hole in back of action or proper cleaning.
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Huh, I just had a long conversation with my brother.
He shoots some kind of match with an M1 Garand and in the winter he shoots a .22 of some type,
None of them, his words here, get cleaned until the season is over unless they are shooting funny.

Just saying is all.

ETA: I offer this in reference to the cleaning section of your post. As far as I am concerned the rest of it is solid advice.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 7:52:34 PM EST
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bedding is not needed. put in a trigger kit. then try different ammo..... after this the most you will need is a barrel, but honestly, a new stock, would be the cheapest way to go, as its probably the problem. instal a hogue stock, or really ANY stock that does not use the barrel band, and you will see a huge improvement . the biggest problem with 10/22's is the trigger, and the barrel band screwing up accuracy.
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By rabidus:
Sounds obvious but since I will not be shooting bench rest should I bother to bed my stock 10/22?

Any other accuracy enhancing ideas?

I'm going to do iron sights my first time. If I don't get rifleman I'll use a scope on my 2nd appleseed.

Was going to get a quick mag release lever.




bedding is not needed. put in a trigger kit. then try different ammo..... after this the most you will need is a barrel, but honestly, a new stock, would be the cheapest way to go, as its probably the problem. instal a hogue stock, or really ANY stock that does not use the barrel band, and you will see a huge improvement . the biggest problem with 10/22's is the trigger, and the barrel band screwing up accuracy.



Can someone explain to me in layman terms why the barrel band affects accuracy ? Serious question as I am unclear on this.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:05:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:



bedding is not needed. put in a trigger kit. then try different ammo..... after this the most you will need is a barrel, but honestly, a new stock, would be the cheapest way to go, as its probably the problem. instal a hogue stock, or really ANY stock that does not use the barrel band, and you will see a huge improvement . the biggest problem with 10/22's is the trigger, and the barrel band screwing up accuracy.
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By rabidus:
Sounds obvious but since I will not be shooting bench rest should I bother to bed my stock 10/22?

Any other accuracy enhancing ideas?

I'm going to do iron sights my first time. If I don't get rifleman I'll use a scope on my 2nd appleseed.

Was going to get a quick mag release lever.




bedding is not needed. put in a trigger kit. then try different ammo..... after this the most you will need is a barrel, but honestly, a new stock, would be the cheapest way to go, as its probably the problem. instal a hogue stock, or really ANY stock that does not use the barrel band, and you will see a huge improvement . the biggest problem with 10/22's is the trigger, and the barrel band screwing up accuracy.


My ruger did not come with a barrel band, it's the compact version.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:08:25 PM EST
P.S. the biggest problem with accuracy is me and that is the reason I go
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:14:05 PM EST
All you need. Keep it light & simple. The HB does help with breathing and finding/holding NPA




More than really necessary but a good scope will help 'old eyes'



You want the bolt release mod and a good mag release lever. A mag coupler is also a 'nice to have' item
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:16:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By rabidus:
I have a green mountain .920" heavy barrel and hogue stock but would that be too heavy to hold all day?
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Not at all. I found the heavier the better. First day I used might lightweight AR, second day I used my heavy AR and found it much steadier in the positions utilized and shot two riflemans scores.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:17:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By rabidus:
I have a green mountain .920" heavy barrel and hogue stock but would that be too heavy to hold all day?
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Not at all. I found the heavier the better. First day I used my lightweight AR, second day I used my heavy AR and found it much steadier in the positions utilized and shot two riflemans scores.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:20:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kevyn:
All you need. Keep it light & simple. The HB does help with breathing and finding/holding NPA

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/Kevyn_53/DSCF2151-1_zps4e93a4dc.jpg


More than really necessary but a good scope will help 'old eyes'

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/Kevyn_53/DSCF2149-1_zps8aa4e8c4.jpg

You want the bolt release mod and a good mag release lever. A mag coupler is also a 'nice to have' item
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That heavy barrel adds a lot of weight...so you're saying the weight keeps the rifle steady?
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:21:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By EngageTangos:


Not at all. I found the heavier the better. First day I used my lightweight AR, second day I used my heavy AR and found it much steadier in the positions utilized and shot two riflemans scores.
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Originally Posted By EngageTangos:
Originally Posted By rabidus:
I have a green mountain .920" heavy barrel and hogue stock but would that be too heavy to hold all day?


Not at all. I found the heavier the better. First day I used my lightweight AR, second day I used my heavy AR and found it much steadier in the positions utilized and shot two riflemans scores.


Good to know, thanks.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:35:51 PM EST
When slung up in a proper fashion weight is not a handicap.

A crappy trigger is a huge handicap , most stock ruger triggers are poor

Ammo is a huge factor . For Appleseed and usual appleseed guns it isn't necessary to spend $20 a box for eley 10X but standard velocity target ammo will perform way better than high velocity in most any gun .

Many 10/22s take a bit of tweaking to handle standard velocity ammo .

Fit peep sights or go to optics , standard 10/22 irons don't really cut the mustard
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:46:29 PM EST
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Can someone explain to me in layman terms why the barrel band affects accuracy ? Serious question as I am unclear on this.
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By rabidus:
Sounds obvious but since I will not be shooting bench rest should I bother to bed my stock 10/22?

Any other accuracy enhancing ideas?

I'm going to do iron sights my first time. If I don't get rifleman I'll use a scope on my 2nd appleseed.

Was going to get a quick mag release lever.




bedding is not needed. put in a trigger kit. then try different ammo..... after this the most you will need is a barrel, but honestly, a new stock, would be the cheapest way to go, as its probably the problem. instal a hogue stock, or really ANY stock that does not use the barrel band, and you will see a huge improvement . the biggest problem with 10/22's is the trigger, and the barrel band screwing up accuracy.



Can someone explain to me in layman terms why the barrel band affects accuracy ? Serious question as I am unclear on this.



the barrel band causes issues with vibration, and with heat, as the barrel heats up the band restricts it from behaving in a normal manner each time. just tighting, or loosening the barrel band screw will mess up groups. there is a reason 99% of firearms do not use barrel bands.

i had a ruger 10/22 international, with the full length stock, the stock on it, contacts the end of the barrel by the muzzle, and that gun was terrible at holding groups. next time you go shooting, try a few groups with the band on...... and then with it off. there will be a difference.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:55:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By armaborealis:
Quick bolt release & target hammer -- saves a ton of frustration and the trigger does help with accuract
Tech Sights or scope
GI Sling
Two spare mags (total of 4) -- nice to have but not strictly necessary

That's all you need.
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Mostly, this.

I did okay with just the M-1 web (cotton) sling and quick mag release being my only upgrades, but there's a lot of value in having a better bolt release, more mags, and the Tech Sights (or scope).
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:58:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:



the barrel band causes issues with vibration, and with heat, as the barrel heats up the band restricts it from behaving in a normal manner each time. just tighting, or loosening the barrel band screw will mess up groups. there is a reason 99% of firearms do not use barrel bands.

i had a ruger 10/22 international, with the full length stock, the stock on it, contacts the end of the barrel by the muzzle, and that gun was terrible at holding groups. next time you go shooting, try a few groups with the band on...... and then with it off. there will be a difference.
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By rabidus:
Sounds obvious but since I will not be shooting bench rest should I bother to bed my stock 10/22?

Any other accuracy enhancing ideas?

I'm going to do iron sights my first time. If I don't get rifleman I'll use a scope on my 2nd appleseed.

Was going to get a quick mag release lever.




bedding is not needed. put in a trigger kit. then try different ammo..... after this the most you will need is a barrel, but honestly, a new stock, would be the cheapest way to go, as its probably the problem. instal a hogue stock, or really ANY stock that does not use the barrel band, and you will see a huge improvement . the biggest problem with 10/22's is the trigger, and the barrel band screwing up accuracy.



Can someone explain to me in layman terms why the barrel band affects accuracy ? Serious question as I am unclear on this.



the barrel band causes issues with vibration, and with heat, as the barrel heats up the band restricts it from behaving in a normal manner each time. just tighting, or loosening the barrel band screw will mess up groups. there is a reason 99% of firearms do not use barrel bands.

i had a ruger 10/22 international, with the full length stock, the stock on it, contacts the end of the barrel by the muzzle, and that gun was terrible at holding groups. next time you go shooting, try a few groups with the band on...... and then with it off. there will be a difference.


Yep.

Barrel harmonics can be a bitch, even on a .22 rifle.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:25:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Kevyn:
All you need. Keep it light & simple. The HB does help with breathing and finding/holding NPA

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/Kevyn_53/DSCF2151-1_zps4e93a4dc.jpg


More than really necessary but a good scope will help 'old eyes'

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/Kevyn_53/DSCF2149-1_zps8aa4e8c4.jpg

You want the bolt release mod and a good mag release lever. A mag coupler is also a 'nice to have' item
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Can you give specs on your top rifle.

Looks like a Hogue stock, Green barrel, tech sites?

I like your build and am looking to build something similar.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:37:38 AM EST
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Can you give specs on your top rifle.

Looks like a Hogue stock, Green barrel, tech sites?

I like your build and am looking to build something similar.
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Originally Posted By Kevyn:
All you need. Keep it light & simple. The HB does help with breathing and finding/holding NPA

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/Kevyn_53/DSCF2151-1_zps4e93a4dc.jpg


More than really necessary but a good scope will help 'old eyes'

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/Kevyn_53/DSCF2149-1_zps8aa4e8c4.jpg

You want the bolt release mod and a good mag release lever. A mag coupler is also a 'nice to have' item


Can you give specs on your top rifle.

Looks like a Hogue stock, Green barrel, tech sites?

I like your build and am looking to build something similar.


I have the same except the front tech sight. I have the green heavy barrel but my front tech sight is for the stock ruger barrel.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:37:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:



the barrel band causes issues with vibration, and with heat, as the barrel heats up the band restricts it from behaving in a normal manner each time. just tighting, or loosening the barrel band screw will mess up groups. there is a reason 99% of firearms do not use barrel bands.

i had a ruger 10/22 international, with the full length stock, the stock on it, contacts the end of the barrel by the muzzle, and that gun was terrible at holding groups. next time you go shooting, try a few groups with the band on...... and then with it off. there will be a difference.
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By rabidus:
Sounds obvious but since I will not be shooting bench rest should I bother to bed my stock 10/22?

Any other accuracy enhancing ideas?

I'm going to do iron sights my first time. If I don't get rifleman I'll use a scope on my 2nd appleseed.

Was going to get a quick mag release lever.




bedding is not needed. put in a trigger kit. then try different ammo..... after this the most you will need is a barrel, but honestly, a new stock, would be the cheapest way to go, as its probably the problem. instal a hogue stock, or really ANY stock that does not use the barrel band, and you will see a huge improvement . the biggest problem with 10/22's is the trigger, and the barrel band screwing up accuracy.



Can someone explain to me in layman terms why the barrel band affects accuracy ? Serious question as I am unclear on this.



the barrel band causes issues with vibration, and with heat, as the barrel heats up the band restricts it from behaving in a normal manner each time. just tighting, or loosening the barrel band screw will mess up groups. there is a reason 99% of firearms do not use barrel bands.

i had a ruger 10/22 international, with the full length stock, the stock on it, contacts the end of the barrel by the muzzle, and that gun was terrible at holding groups. next time you go shooting, try a few groups with the band on...... and then with it off. there will be a difference.




I had a Iver Johnson M1 carbine. I loved that little gun. Fun as hell to shoot but the barrel band gave me nothing but headaches. It kept working loose no matter what I did. I vowed to never own another banded rifle.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:50:45 AM EST
Barrel band removal:
I like the look of my barrel band. If it contacts the barrel, just remove it, and sand out the underside of the aluminum band. In 15 minutes your band won't touch the barrel. I did the same to take up the extra space that the sling swivel added to the barrel band - sand it down till I had a snug fit.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:54:14 AM EST
KIDD is all you need to know. I have one and it rocks!
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:59:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 12:02:52 PM EST by Winston_Wolf]
... spend all you want, the economy needs it.

But, this will do JUST fine for your 10/22: http://www.eabco.com/store/ruger-10/22-accessories/ruger-10/22-hammer-and-sear-pkg/
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