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It looks like a stupid design. The last thing I want is a smaller window.
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Put some rounds through it and let us know how you like it.
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Thanks for starting this thread OP. I’ll be standing by to follow your results, impressions, pics, etc.
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C'mon fellas.... give me a minute.
@ScoutH57 RIF - "I tried for about 5 minutes to get a decent sight picture view, and I had no joy. I will be removing the fiber optic rod to start practicing with this optic, and I will try my best to get some decent pics looking through the optic." Quoted:
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Love the thin base. But that window needs to be two or 2.5 times as large.
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Old-school taggity for more info, especially the range report.
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C'mon fellas.... give me a minute. @ScoutH57 RIF - "I tried for about 5 minutes to get a decent sight picture view, and I had no joy. I will be removing the fiber optic rod to start practicing with this optic, and I will try my best to get some decent pics looking through the optic." @Postal0311 RIF - "I tried for about 5 minutes to get a decent sight picture view, and I had no joy. I will be removing the fiber optic rod to start practicing with this optic, and I will try my best to get some decent pics looking through the optic." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
C'mon fellas.... give me a minute. Quoted: I noticed that too Quoted:
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BTT.... new pics added.
Will shoot Saturday and compare with RMR and DPP. |
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Neat.
I’d like to shoot one, and especially on something with no irons in the way. Pop-up BUIS for handguns may not be too far off! |
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Neat. I'd like to shoot one, and especially on something with no irons in the way. Pop-up BUIS for handguns may not be too far off! View Quote https://www.wingtactical.com/firearm-parts/handgun/handgun-sights/dead-air-kns-precision-switchsight-folding-sights-for-glock/#&gid=1&pid=4 |
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Certainly looks innovative, compact, and neat, but I’m definitely on the “I want a bigger window” side of the spectrum
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Certainly looks innovative, compact, and neat, but I’m definitely on the “I want a bigger window” side of the spectrum View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: You don't need a big window if it's where you're already looking. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/221679/A0D564C6-D4B8-4540-B6C7-F9A80703AFC7_jpeg-939673.JPG View Quote I kept hoping we would see something like this come out for the MOS plate systems (eliminate the "middle man" of the adapter plate, and get it low enough to use standard sights)... thought I would personally like to see a slightly taller window. Maybe we will see more options like this in the future. I don't remember if it has been covered, but is the emitter enclosed? |
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I suspect a bigger window allows more leeway to pick the dot back up in recoil, so I would guess the larger optics would be incrementally faster and easier to shoot (at speed). View Quote I just use myself as my experimental sample. I love the dot for hitting small targets, distant targets, moving targets small distant moving targets on the clock. It’s awesome. But for “A zone” hits inside of 7 yards I’m faster with irons. Muscle memory, yo. As distance increases (or target size decreases), there’s a noticeable “changeover” to where I can hit faster with the dot. What I’m hoping for with a setup like this one is to combine my muscle-memory-based up close iron speed (because the dot is the place I’m already looking) with the precision and distance speed of the dot(because it’s a dot). If it works I’ll have to come up with all new excuses for sucking. |
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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/05/10/noblex-docter-optics-glock/
Much thanks to the OP for allowing me to use his images. |
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We have been looking at these at work for a few weeks. Awesome to see pics of it on something.
Excited to see the range report. Awesome stuff! Also jealous. |
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Very cool. I looked and they don’t say if the lenses are plastic or glass?
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Seems like the learning curve would be negligible with this style. I'm interested
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Quick update in the OP with comparison pics. Will post more thoughts and answer questions later. Thanks all.
@goloud @JoshAston |
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Good Lord the comparison pics really put it into perspective on how small it is
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Yeah it’s tiny, but it also sits low as shit. The entire optic is over before the DPP’s window even starts. This thing is awesome for two reasons: 1. It’s tiny and potentially great for subcompact-ish carry pieces and 2. It allows one to keep using their regular height sights.
I’m happy with my RMR setups on my Glock 19 and 34, but I’d be interested if I could one day make this work on my smaller 365. |
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I think that is the general idea here. This isn't being marketed at gun gamers, but for carry/concealment. I suspect a bigger window allows more leeway to pick the dot back up in recoil, so I would guess the larger optics would be incrementally faster and easier to shoot (at speed). I kept hoping we would see something like this come out for the MOS plate systems (eliminate the "middle man" of the adapter plate, and get it low enough to use standard sights)... thought I would personally like to see a slightly taller window. Maybe we will see more options like this in the future. I don't remember if it has been covered, but is the emitter enclosed? View Quote RE: Recoil. I loaded 5-10 rounds at a time between the Docter and RMR and switched between each gun running the same drills. If a person's fundamentals (presentation, grip, and recoil control) are solid then there isn't much "hunting of the dot" to speak of. |
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Quoted: Probably, but for most experienced iron sight handgun shooters, the low window will be faster out of the holster, without the “retraining” required to get a good fast “draw stroke sight picture” with a bigger optic. I just use myself as my experimental sample. I love the dot for hitting small targets, distant targets, moving targets small distant moving targets on the clock. It’s awesome. But for “A zone” hits inside of 7 yards I’m faster with irons. Muscle memory, yo. As distance increases (or target size decreases), there’s a noticeable “changeover” to where I can hit faster with the dot. What I’m hoping for with a setup like this one is to combine my muscle-memory-based up close iron speed (because the dot is the place I’m already looking) with the precision and distance speed of the dot(because it’s a dot). If it works I’ll have to come up with all new excuses for sucking. View Quote |
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Op... what’s the battery life? View Quote |
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I'm really not keen on doing a true torture test; but if it holds up to regular training and practice, and the battery life is decent then I'm going to view this optic as a success for me personally. View Quote Second: I wouldn’t worry too much about the torture test part. I’d be willing to bet Aaron Cowan at Sage Dynamics will be all over that portion of testing this sight. If he’s already aware of it’s existence (?), it is very likely that he already has, or has ordered, one. He’ll beat the bejeebus out of it and we’ll get to see what happens. |
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Thanks, now I have to get a MOS Glock. Had been putting it off, because I didn't want to run around with giant sights to co-witness or do something ridiculous like remove my RDS to change the battery.
Simple genius, with the obvious popularity of Glock pistols, to make a red dot sight that attaches directly to the Glock MOS slide. Allows it to sit lower than competitors and does not require milling that results in a permanent footprint for a specific RDS only. |
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Quoted: You don’t need a big window if it’s where you’re already looking. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/221679/A0D564C6-D4B8-4540-B6C7-F9A80703AFC7_jpeg-939673.JPG View Quote As far as this optic? Hard pass. |
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Quoted: First off: Thank you very much for all the helpful info and impressions you’ve posted so far! Second: I wouldn’t worry too much about the torture test part. I’d be willing to bet Aaron Cowan at Sage Dynamics will be all over that portion of testing this sight. If he’s already aware of it’s existence (?), it is very likely that he already has, or has ordered, one. He’ll beat the bejeebus out of it and we’ll get to see what happens. View Quote I sure hope Aaron does a review. He has a lot more rounds down range through an RDS than I do, so I'm curious to hear his thoughts on it. The 500 round burn down and drop tests will be interesting. |
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Thanks, now I have to get a MOS Glock. Had been putting it off, because I didn't want to run around with giant sights to co-witness or do something ridiculous like remove my RDS to change the battery. Simple genius, with the obvious popularity of Glock pistols, to make a red dot sight that attaches directly to the Glock MOS slide. Allows it to sit lower than competitors and does not require milling that results in a permanent footprint for a specific RDS only. View Quote I agree, the MOS may not be perfect but it will be prolific. Optic companies would be wise to design around it. The Noblex/Docter isn't perfect either, but it's headed in the right direction on a few fronts. I'd like to see a new version be an 1/8" or so taller (roughly 30% or so) and if they can move the battery to the front and the optic window to the rear that would be swell. For now, I'm gonna use this optic as it was intended and see what happens. |
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The idea is to get the dot lower, where shooters are naturally used to finding the front sight. I really want to try one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It looks like a stupid design. The last thing I want is a smaller window. Oooooohhhhhhmmmmm |
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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/05/10/noblex-docter-optics-glock/ Much thanks to the OP for allowing me to use his images. View Quote I'm surprised they went with the raised lettering given it increased the upper border thickness. |
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This would be perfect with the 43/43x/48 if it would fit. I'd drop the coin and be a guinea pig.
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Quoted: In it's current form it would hang over the edges, also I'm not sure if an MOS spec cut (length and depth wise) would work on the 43 size pistols.... You can try! View Quote |
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Any updates? I can see this as being a good CCW RDS option. The window size is fine for this purpose in my opinion.
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