Posted: 5/17/2016 1:00:00 PM EDT
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Does anyone have any suggestions for what to read and or watch for getting spun up on long range shooting? I'm interested in whatever your favorite books, dvd's and articles are. I'm hoping to learn some new skills and put them to the test with my new 6.5 Creedmoor build!  |
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Buy a Panteo membership?
http://panteao.com/product/make-ready-dvd-rifle-pack-3/ Panteo's production value is pretty high. I've only seen 1 Pat Rogers video, but it was well made, not just youtube shit. Accuracy First has videos too. One was included with a rifle I bought from LaRue and it was decent, if very shallow. |
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Quoted: Buy a Panteo membership? http://panteao.com/product/make-ready-dvd-rifle-pack-3/ Panteo's production value is pretty high. I've only seen 1 Pat Rogers video, but it was well made, not just youtube shit. Accuracy First has videos too. One was included with a rifle I bought from LaRue and it was decent, if very shallow. |
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Youtube Video Sniper 101 86 videos that will teach you a lot. We also have a Precision Section here at ARFCOM. While his videos are good I wouldn't take everything he says as gospel. Especially the bit about a fixed power scope with a mil-dot reticle being the best optic. ETA: Check out the Sniper's Hide/Lowlight videos as Frank has many segments that are free and very helpful. I found the segments on loading the bipod very useful as this has been the most difficult thing for me to do consistently. 
8451 Tactical also has good info.
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Quoted: Take a class. There are many places that offer them up for the common man. You won't be sorry. It's on my list of things I would like to do. Unfortunately it's hard to find good classes that I can afford to go to. If anyone knows of classes in the DFW/East Texas/southern OK area I would be interested. |
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Quoted: While his videos are good I wouldn't take everything he says as gospel. Especially the bit about a fixed power scope with a mil-dot reticle being the best optic. Quoted: Quoted: Youtube Video Sniper 101 86 videos that will teach you a lot. We also have a Precision Section here at ARFCOM. While his videos are good I wouldn't take everything he says as gospel. Especially the bit about a fixed power scope with a mil-dot reticle being the best optic.  |
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Find local matches and start shooting. You'll learn far more from that than you'll learn by watching videos on the internet, and you'll have fun. This X 87. The knowledge base out there on various firing lines and start boxes is staggering. And most of those folks will fall all over themselves trying to help you. |
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You live in OK, so you live amongst some of the best long range shooters in the country.
Local matches are your best option. The guys there love to help new guys, you will learn more in one match than you could ever get reading a book. Check out the guys from 3rd Gen Shooting Supply. They sponsor a lot of shooters and probably have matches going on all the time. |
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I know that you've probably seen me push this guy before, but it really is a solid start.
He breaks down information in a very straightforward manner, some subjects that are usually nerded-up by other instruction sources, which isn't great for people getting started in the game. There are eleven videos in all, the book reads the same way. It's solid information. Start here:
Then order Mr Cleckner's book. |
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Quoted: How good does it group at 100 yards ? Nice build , you built it or was it done at a shop.? Also can you see that level without breaking position ? 0 rounds down range so far  I put it together myself. The barrel is a Criterion. I've got a Krieger on order for it, but it's about a 5 month weight. I went ahead and bought the criterion so I could go shooting in the mean time. I've got about 300 factory Hornady rounds and a set of Hornady dies for once I use up the factory ammunition. The level is positioned so that I use my left eye to check level without breaking position. |
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I know that you've probably seen me push this guy before, but it really is a solid start. He breaks down information in a very straightforward manner, some subjects that are usually nerded-up by other instruction sources, which isn't great for people getting started in the game. There are eleven videos in all, the book reads the same way. It's solid information. Start here:  https://youtu.be/COoXVpGfXQE
Then order Mr Cleckner's book. Cleckner's book is fantastic. |
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Quoted: Cleckner's book is fantastic. Quoted: Quoted: I know that you've probably seen me push this guy before, but it really is a solid start. He breaks down information in a very straightforward manner, some subjects that are usually nerded-up by other instruction sources, which isn't great for people getting started in the game. There are eleven videos in all, the book reads the same way. It's solid information. Start here: https://youtu.be/COoXVpGfXQEThen order Mr Cleckner's book. Cleckner's book is fantastic. |
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I ordered it two days ago after I read Tweeter's thread on it. Hopefully it will arrive soon. Quoted:
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I know that you've probably seen me push this guy before, but it really is a solid start. He breaks down information in a very straightforward manner, some subjects that are usually nerded-up by other instruction sources, which isn't great for people getting started in the game. There are eleven videos in all, the book reads the same way. It's solid information. Start here: https://youtu.be/COoXVpGfXQE
Then order Mr Cleckner's book. Cleckner's book is fantastic. Link? I missed that. I got Kindle version. Pretty handy to have on my phone when I'm waiting on the kids, etc. |
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Here is Tweeter's thread on Cleckner's book. |
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I bought Plaster's book about a decade ago. It might be a little dated, or you might be able to find the info elsewhere.
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sniper-Advanced-Training-Military/dp/1581604947 If you don't already use one, a ballistics calculator. This one's available online. http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator |
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Quoted: I bought Plaster's book about a decade ago. It might be a little dated, or you might be able to find the info elsewhere. http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sniper-Advanced-Training-Military/dp/1581604947 If you don't already use one, a ballistics calculator. This one's available online. http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator |
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Quoted: Take a class. Dont get hung up trying to shoot tiny groups at a 100 yards. Shoot off a tripod, or awkward positions, in the wind, in shitty weather at moving targets. I like my tiny groups  Any tripods you recommend? I've never shot off one. I'm more familiar with positional shooting and I have a SAP sling to aid in sling based shooting. Unfortunately my local range only has 300 yards. The 300 yard line only has steel. The Steel is fun, but pretty easy as most of it is half or quarter sized man targets. The 3" and 4" gongs are a little more work. I've just used my 5.56 guns at the 300 line. |
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I like my tiny groups
Any tripods you recommend? I've never shot off one. I'm more familiar with positional shooting and I have a SAP sling to aid in sling based shooting. Unfortunately my local range only has 300 yards. The 300 yard line only has steel. The Steel is fun, but pretty easy as most of it is half or quarter sized man targets. The 3" and 4" gongs are a little more work. I've just used my 5.56 guns at the 300 line. Quoted:
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Take a class. Dont get hung up trying to shoot tiny groups at a 100 yards. Shoot off a tripod, or awkward positions, in the wind, in shitty weather at moving targets.
Any tripods you recommend? I've never shot off one. I'm more familiar with positional shooting and I have a SAP sling to aid in sling based shooting. Unfortunately my local range only has 300 yards. The 300 yard line only has steel. The Steel is fun, but pretty easy as most of it is half or quarter sized man targets. The 3" and 4" gongs are a little more work. I've just used my 5.56 guns at the 300 line. That's easy, spend $20 and donate a 6" square gong to your local range. As for tripods go, I'd recommend a Slik XL-QD or a Manfrotto MT190X with an SSP-1 saddle from Precision Rifle Solutions. Regardless of which tripod chosen, I'd stay with the SSP-1 saddle, it's the cat's pajamas. |
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There's a forum for that http://www.ar15.com/forums/active.html?sb=16
Current thread in said forum http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_1/3921_Long_Range_Shooting_Handbook__A_Beginner_s_Guide_to_Precision_Rifle_Shooting___Ryan_Cleckner_.html |
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Quoted: There's a forum for that http://www.ar15.com/forums/active.html?sb=16 Current thread in said forum http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_1/3921_Long_Range_Shooting_Handbook__A_Beginner_s_Guide_to_Precision_Rifle_Shooting___Ryan_Cleckner_.html |
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Quoted: Does anyone have any suggestions for what to read and or watch for getting spun up on long range shooting? I'm interested in whatever your favorite books, dvd's and articles are. I'm hoping to learn some new skills and put them to the test with my new 6.5 Creedmoor build! http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=87958 When I got started in highpower shooting, I bought the booklets from Jim Owens at http://www.jarheadtop.com/ |
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It's on my list of things I would like to do. Unfortunately it's hard to find good classes that I can afford to go to. If anyone knows of classes in the DFW/East Texas/southern OK area I would be interested. Quoted:
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Take a class. There are many places that offer them up for the common man. You won't be sorry. If anyone knows of classes in the DFW/East Texas/southern OK area I would be interested. Tiger Valley |
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Don't worry so much about the 100y range, go out to 300+ yards to see how well your load maintains its vertical spread.(water line) The rest is wind and mirage.
What happens at 100 and 200 yards is not the same as 300 and 600 yard. Once the mechanics of your rifle and load are figured out it becomes an art form of wind reading skills and experience. Go shoot local matches, you will learn more there than anything you read or watch off the internet. Quoted:
How good does it group at 100 yards ? Nice build , you built it or was it done at a shop.? Also can you see that level without breaking position ? |
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Don't worry so much about the 100y range, go out to 300+ yards to see how well your load maintains its vertical spread.(water line) The rest is wind and mirage. What happens at 100 and 200 yards is not the same as 300 and 600 yard. Once the mechanics of your rifle and load are figured out it becomes an art form of wind reading skills and experience. Go shoot local matches, you will learn more there than anything you read or watch off the internet. Quoted:
Don't worry so much about the 100y range, go out to 300+ yards to see how well your load maintains its vertical spread.(water line) The rest is wind and mirage. What happens at 100 and 200 yards is not the same as 300 and 600 yard. Once the mechanics of your rifle and load are figured out it becomes an art form of wind reading skills and experience. Go shoot local matches, you will learn more there than anything you read or watch off the internet. Quoted:
How good does it group at 100 yards ? Nice build , you built it or was it done at a shop.? Also can you see that level without breaking position ? I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 |
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I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 Quoted:
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Don't worry so much about the 100y range, go out to 300+ yards to see how well your load maintains its vertical spread.(water line) The rest is wind and mirage. What happens at 100 and 200 yards is not the same as 300 and 600 yard. Once the mechanics of your rifle and load are figured out it becomes an art form of wind reading skills and experience. Go shoot local matches, you will learn more there than anything you read or watch off the internet. Quoted:
How good does it group at 100 yards ? Nice build , you built it or was it done at a shop.? Also can you see that level without breaking position ? I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 Define "well". |
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I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 Quoted:
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Don't worry so much about the 100y range, go out to 300+ yards to see how well your load maintains its vertical spread.(water line) The rest is wind and mirage. What happens at 100 and 200 yards is not the same as 300 and 600 yard. Once the mechanics of your rifle and load are figured out it becomes an art form of wind reading skills and experience. Go shoot local matches, you will learn more there than anything you read or watch off the internet. Quoted:
How good does it group at 100 yards ? Nice build , you built it or was it done at a shop.? Also can you see that level without breaking position ? I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 I typically go from boresight to 300. But I don't half-ass boresighting. |
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Quoted: I typically go from boresight to 300. But I don't half-ass boresighting. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't worry so much about the 100y range, go out to 300+ yards to see how well your load maintains its vertical spread.(water line) The rest is wind and mirage. What happens at 100 and 200 yards is not the same as 300 and 600 yard. Once the mechanics of your rifle and load are figured out it becomes an art form of wind reading skills and experience. Go shoot local matches, you will learn more there than anything you read or watch off the internet. Quoted: How good does it group at 100 yards ? Nice build , you built it or was it done at a shop.? Also can you see that level without breaking position ? I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 I typically go from boresight to 300. But I don't half-ass boresighting. |
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As long as your getting groups at 300 then I wouldn't worry about 100. If your grouping at 300 you will group fairly well at 100. Your groups at 100 will be as good or better (MOA wise) than those at 300 provided everything remains constant. Given the same load, rifles simply do not group better at distance than they do at short range. I know, lots of anecdotes claim otherwise, but it's like Bigfoot - lots of stories, zero proof. |
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The second set of advice is to get off this forum and over to 6mmbr forum and snipershide forum off of the scout site.
Third set of advice is to shoot f class at your local NRA range. You will not be doing yourself any favors on an argumentive forum such as this if you have the desire to learn to "shoot". 100 yards is not enough distance to show the flaws in your ammunition. Vertical spread (barrel whip) is a killer and so is high extreme spread. Those are the two forms of vertical stringing that are not apparent at close range. Quoted:
Your groups at 100 will be as good or better (MOA wise) than those at 300 provided everything remains constant. Given the same load, rifles simply do not group better at distance than they do at short range. I know, lots of anecdotes claim otherwise, but it's like Bigfoot - lots of stories, zero proof. Quoted:
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As long as your getting groups at 300 then I wouldn't worry about 100. If your grouping at 300 you will group fairly well at 100. Your groups at 100 will be as good or better (MOA wise) than those at 300 provided everything remains constant. Given the same load, rifles simply do not group better at distance than they do at short range. I know, lots of anecdotes claim otherwise, but it's like Bigfoot - lots of stories, zero proof. |
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As long as your getting groups at 300 then I wouldn't worry about 100. If your grouping at 300 you will group fairly well at 100. Quoted:
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Don't worry so much about the 100y range, go out to 300+ yards to see how well your load maintains its vertical spread.(water line) The rest is wind and mirage. What happens at 100 and 200 yards is not the same as 300 and 600 yard. Once the mechanics of your rifle and load are figured out it becomes an art form of wind reading skills and experience. Go shoot local matches, you will learn more there than anything you read or watch off the internet. Quoted:
How good does it group at 100 yards ? Nice build , you built it or was it done at a shop.? Also can you see that level without breaking position ? I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 I typically go from boresight to 300. But I don't half-ass boresighting. Correct me if I'm wrong but the OP has a new build unfired and was asking about getting into long range precision shooting . The reason to first test the new build at 100 yards to eliminate operator error and environmental issues such as wind mirage etc. It's a new build with an untested barrel |
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Yep, it's a brand new build. It will get some 100 yard time first as I'll probably start with making some reloadable brass, shooting the MOA all day challenge and trying Molon's quarter game. I might shoot some of the 300 yard steel at the same time as long as I can get permission to use their smaller targets. It's about an hour and a half drive to the nearest 1,000 yd range and of course it's not really cheap to shoot there. While I've shot to 500 with the USMC, I'm looking forward to pushing farther out sometime this summer. Unfortunately I probably won't get to shoot distance very often, so I want to make the most of what time I do get on the extended ranges. |
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I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 Quoted:
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Don't worry so much about the 100y range, go out to 300+ yards to see how well your load maintains its vertical spread.(water line) The rest is wind and mirage. What happens at 100 and 200 yards is not the same as 300 and 600 yard. Once the mechanics of your rifle and load are figured out it becomes an art form of wind reading skills and experience. Go shoot local matches, you will learn more there than anything you read or watch off the internet. Quoted:
How good does it group at 100 yards ? Nice build , you built it or was it done at a shop.? Also can you see that level without breaking position ? I disagree 100% All you are is chasing your tail after that if the rifle won't group well at 100 This has been discussed several times here by guys with a lot of experience and knowledge. 100 yard groups are NOT a good indicator of what a rifle is capable of, further out. |
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Your groups at 100 will be as good or better (MOA wise) than those at 300 provided everything remains constant. Given the same load, rifles simply do not group better at distance than they do at short range. I know, lots of anecdotes claim otherwise, but it's like Bigfoot - lots of stories, zero proof. Quoted:
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As long as your getting groups at 300 then I wouldn't worry about 100. If your grouping at 300 you will group fairly well at 100. Your groups at 100 will be as good or better (MOA wise) than those at 300 provided everything remains constant. Given the same load, rifles simply do not group better at distance than they do at short range. I know, lots of anecdotes claim otherwise, but it's like Bigfoot - lots of stories, zero proof. They may. They may not. In my experience, you're more likely to get better groups, when measured by MOA, at 300 than 100.(providing good wind conditions) |
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I know that you've probably seen me push this guy before, but it really is a solid start. He breaks down information in a very straightforward manner, some subjects that are usually nerded-up by other instruction sources, which isn't great for people getting started in the game. There are eleven videos in all, the book reads the same way. It's solid information. Start here: https://youtu.be/COoXVpGfXQE
Then order Mr Cleckner's book. Just purchased. I'll have some long flights next week. |