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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:55:48 PM EDT
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 2:58:02 PM EDT
Colt
GM-Hydramatic
Harrington & Richardson
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:02:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:02:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 3:06:58 PM EDT by Barrelburner]

Originally Posted By bcw107:
Colt
GM-Hydramatic
Harrington & Richardson

These were the makers of the M16A1's that my reserve unit had in the early 90's until we were issued M16A2's

ETA: Our A2's were FN.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:03:07 PM EDT
HYDRA-MATIC DIV.
G.M. CORP.

Harrington Richardson

Colt

Those are the three that made M16A1 rifles for the Government.

FN-USA and COLT are the current contractors.HTH
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:06:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 3:06:44 PM EDT by M1-Matt]
Matel, a customer at my store said he saw one in Desert Storm...........
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:07:50 PM EDT
I had a GM-Hydramatic in basic training and a H&R in permanent party. My H&R was brand new, we only took them to qualify; and we used sub-caliber M-261 kits (.22 long rifle) because we had to shoot on an indoor range, using scaled targets.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:10:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Originally Posted By tominjax:
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?


Sounds like a variant of "Made by Mattel". I grew up on Army bases during the seventies and eighties and ran across several career soldiers who swear that they carried rifles made by Mattel, they also swore that it was regular practice for them to use captured AK47 ammo in their Mattel M16, because they were made to use both. Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.

This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.



Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:20:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Originally Posted By tominjax:
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?


Sounds like a variant of "Made by Mattel". I grew up on Army bases during the seventies and eighties and ran across several career soldiers who swear that they carried rifles made by Mattel, they also swore that it was regular practice for them to use captured AK47 ammo in their Mattel M16, because they were made to use both. Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.

This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg


the margins around the "roll marks" are blurry. Thats the tip off for me. But what the hell do I know

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:29:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Originally Posted By tominjax:
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?


Sounds like a variant of "Made by Mattel". I grew up on Army bases during the seventies and eighties and ran across several career soldiers who swear that they carried rifles made by Mattel, they also swore that it was regular practice for them to use captured AK47 ammo in their Mattel M16, because they were made to use both. Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.

This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg



Its actually a pretty lousy photoshop

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:32:07 PM EDT
It was done by a member here...
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:36:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.


Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:37:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SlightlySkewed:
It was done by a member here...


Gotta be real....every retired Ranger CSM I've met (and I've met a lot) talked about how they carried one in 'Nam.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:43:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 3:44:14 PM EDT by Badlatitude]
Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Originally Posted By tominjax:
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?


Sounds like a variant of "Made by Mattel". I grew up on Army bases during the seventies and eighties and ran across several career soldiers who swear that they carried rifles made by Mattel, they also swore that it was regular practice for them to use captured AK47 ammo in their Mattel M16, because they were made to use both. Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.

This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg


Thats a pretty crappy chop and the person who made that is a member here lol

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:43:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Originally Posted By tominjax:
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?


Sounds like a variant of "Made by Mattel". I grew up on Army bases during the seventies and eighties and ran across several career soldiers who swear that they carried rifles made by Mattel, they also swore that it was regular practice for them to use captured AK47 ammo in their Mattel M16, because they were made to use both. Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.

This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg



You know how I know that shopped?

Because Mattel has NEVER made a M16.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:43:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By KalihiJack:
Originally Posted By SlightlySkewed:
It was done by a member here...


Gotta be real....every retired Ranger CSM I've met (and I've met a lot) talked about how they carried one in 'Nam.


That picture is actually used quite often as proof!
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 3:47:52 PM EDT
I've got two Hydramatic one's in my armory at work. Kind of neat being 5 digit serials. I know those things probably saw some action. funny that they've been relegated to service with the USCG.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:03:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:
Matel, a customer at my store said he saw one in Desert Storm...........

Yep. Customer claimed to have been issued one in 2003. I wouldn't be surprised if the inspector at Mattel was named Lemonjello.........
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:08:34 PM EDT
I think one or another toy company made plastic canteens. Fischer Price maybe?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:14:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bcw107:

Colt
GM-Hydramatic
Harrington & Richardson




Off the cuff, I'm not sure about H&R......but I am pretty sure I had one in my hands at one time in `75 that said 'Cadillac-Gage'
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:19:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FreeBear:
Originally Posted By bcw107:

Colt
GM-Hydramatic
Harrington & Richardson




Off the cuff, I'm not sure about H&R......but I am pretty sure I had one in my hands at one time in `75 that said 'Cadillac-Gage'
H&R did make some. Never heard of C-Gage making any.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:24:37 PM EDT
SAKO made some replacement barrels.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:26:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CB1:
SAKO made some replacement barrels.

Sako of Maine
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:58:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FreeBear:
Originally Posted By bcw107:

Colt
GM-Hydramatic
Harrington & Richardson




Off the cuff, I'm not sure about H&R......but I am pretty sure I had one in my hands at one time in `75 that said 'Cadillac-Gage'

Google prevents "off the cuff" responses and in this case would have shown that you are wrong, H&R made several hundred thousand.

The only thing I'm aware that CG made was Stoner 63 series.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:59:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Barrelburner:

Originally Posted By CB1:
SAKO made some replacement barrels.

Sako of Maine

I think it's SACO, not Sako. IIRC they made barrels for M60s and M2HBs also.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:04:13 PM EDT
I heard the old Mattel bit for the first time this year when I did the Small Arms Firing school at Camp Perry.

The Sgt in charge of my firing point heard it too and said, fairly loudly in a Boston Accent: "That, IS, BULLSHIT!"

I didn't have to say anything.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:04:45 PM EDT



Oh yeah? Well that's my story.......and I'm sticking to it!












Damn know-it-alls.......no love!

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:39:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:11:02 PM EDT by Gone_Shootin]

Originally Posted By Badlatitude:
Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Originally Posted By tominjax:
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?


Sounds like a variant of "Made by Mattel". I grew up on Army bases during the seventies and eighties and ran across several career soldiers who swear that they carried rifles made by Mattel, they also swore that it was regular practice for them to use captured AK47 ammo in their Mattel M16, because they were made to use both. Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.

This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg


Thats a pretty crappy chop and the person who made that is a member here lol


I like the KFC one he did better.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:47:54 PM EDT
I Had a GM Hydromatics one in Basic in 1985...

Aviator
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:59:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:00:40 PM EDT by hk45shooter]
Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:
This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg



I'd like to get one of my M16A1 clones done like that.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:05:32 PM EDT
Hi there!
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:14:21 PM EDT
Don't know about M-16s but General Tire made a diverse set of stuff in all there divisions Including:

Space Shuttle Manuevering Rockets

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:17:18 PM EDT
Just remember the one important thing here. All those rifles that had problems and not one of them was a Colt.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:19:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:21:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:23:06 PM EDT by sic_ness]
You know, that Mattell picture was funny a couple years ago, but now that its been passed around the internet enough without context, dumbasses are claiming it's a real photo and creating way more headaches than lulz.

Anyway, the correct answer has been said: Colt, GM Hydramatic, and Harrington & Richardson.

ETA pics

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:31:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By iiibdsiil:
Just remember the one important thing here. All those rifles that had problems and not one of them was a Colt.


Sorry but the early years Colt seen it's fair share of problems. Why do you think the forward assist was developed? What do you think the reasoning behind chrome chambers were?

I imagine your post was a joke, by the emoticon you put on there, but that is how things get started. Like the Mattel M16 for instance.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:31:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By TC6969:
Originally Posted By KalihiJack:
Originally Posted By SlightlySkewed:
It was done by a member here...


Gotta be real....every retired Ranger CSM I've met (and I've met a lot) talked about how they carried one in 'Nam.


That picture is actually used quite often as proof!




Even Snopes knows........

Link


Whoa, the Mattel one at the bottom of the Snopes article looks like it fires a 30-06.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:33:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 4:32:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:
This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg



Here's the A1:



Link Posted: 9/8/2010 5:24:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By xm177e2687:
Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Originally Posted By tominjax:
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?


Sounds like a variant of "Made by Mattel". I grew up on Army bases during the seventies and eighties and ran across several career soldiers who swear that they carried rifles made by Mattel, they also swore that it was regular practice for them to use captured AK47 ammo in their Mattel M16, because they were made to use both. Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.

This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg



Its actually a pretty lousy photoshop



I can tell by the pixils.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 5:26:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 5:29:27 PM EDT by junebug68]
Originally Posted By bcw107:
Colt
GM-Hydramatic
Harrington & Richardson

Yep...that's it during the time period. Not Mattel. Not General Tire.
Later FN came along. A few guys in my platoon were issued those, so I saw that with my own two eyes. Don't know of any other manufacturers, however.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:32:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:40:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By substandard:

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:
Matel, a customer at my store said he saw one in Desert Storm...........

Yep. Customer claimed to have been issued one in 2003. I wouldn't be surprised if the inspector at Mattel was named Lemonjello.........


i was issued a mattel m-16 in 1971,issueing agency,my parents ,deployment christmas 71,mission top secret
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:46:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dumpster_Baby:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Originally Posted By tominjax:
I need a list of M16 makers during the Vietnam era. My Father served there, but he swears that his issue M16 said "General Tire" and not "General Motors". I didn't press the argument, but is he correct or just having a senior moment?


Sounds like a variant of "Made by Mattel". I grew up on Army bases during the seventies and eighties and ran across several career soldiers who swear that they carried rifles made by Mattel, they also swore that it was regular practice for them to use captured AK47 ammo in their Mattel M16, because they were made to use both. Sometimes it is best to just nod along and let it go.

This is supposed to be a photoshop. If so it's a damn good one.

http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8171/m16mattelm167391505.jpg



Mattel's Firearm Division in El Segundo.
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