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Posted: 9/8/2005 5:50:05 PM EDT
I know this topic has been beaten to death, but here is another account of the what went on at the Superdome:


In the two main refugee centers, however—the Superdome and the Convention Center—too many people witnessed the degeneracy for it to be ignored. The first refugees had arrived at the Superdome the day before the hurricane, on Sunday, August 28th. The last finally left the stadium on Saturday, Sept, 3, so some people may have spent nearly a week in what, after the toilets began to overflow, became known as the Sewerdome.

Preparation for refugees was pitifully inadequate. By day, as many as 25,000 people sweltered in temperatures that rose into the 100s. Whatever order had been established soon melted away, and the stadium reverted to the jungle. Young men robbed and raped with impunity. Occasional gunshots panicked the crowd. At least one man committed suicide by sailing off a high deck and splattering onto the playing field. Bodies of the murdered, and of infants and the elderly who died of heat exhaustion began to accumulate. Six babies were born in the stadium. Charles Womack, a 30-year-old roofer, said he saw one man beaten to death, and was, himself beaten with a pipe. Crack addicts—who had brought their most valuable possession with them—smoked openly and fought over drugs.

A group of about 30 British students were among the very small number of whites in the stadium, where they spent four harrowing days. Jamie Trout, 22, an economics major, wrote that the scene “was like something out of Lord of the Flies,” with “people shouting racial abuse about us being white.” One night, word came that the power was failing, and that there was only ten minutes’ worth of gas for the generators. Zoe Smith, 21, from Hull, said they all feared for their lives: “All us girls sat in the middle while the boys sat on the outside, with chairs as protection,” she said. “We were absolutely terrified, the situation had descended into chaos, people were very hostile and the living conditions were horrendous.” She sad that even during the day, “when we offered to help with the cleaning, the locals gave us abuse.”

Mr. Trout said the National Guard finally recognized how dangerous the threat was from blacks, and moved the British under guard to the basketball area, which was safer. “The army warned us to keep our bags close to us and to grip them tight,” he said, as they were escorted out. Twenty-year-old Jane Wheeldon credited one man in particular, Sgt. Garland Ogden, with getting the Britons safely out. “He went against a lot of rules to get us moved,” she said.
Looters with bags of clothing.

Australian tourists stuck in the Superdome had the same experience. Bud Hopes, a 32-year-old man from Kangaroo Point, Brisbane, took control and may have saved many lives. As the stadium reverted to anarchy he realized whites were in danger, and gathered tourists together for safety. “There were 65 of us altogether so we were able to look after each other, especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened,” said Mr. Hopes. They organized escorts for women who had to go to the toilet or for food, and set up a roster of men to stand guard while others slept. “We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning,” Mr. Hopes said. “Ninety-eight percent of the people around the world are good,” he said; “in that place 98 per cent of the people were bad.”

John McNeil of Coorparoo in Brisbane tells what happened to their group, too, heard the lights were about to go out: “I looked at Bud [Hopes] and said, ‘That will be the end of us.’ The gangs had already eyed us off. If the lights had gone out we would have been in deep trouble. We were sitting there praying for a miracle and the lights stayed on.” Mr. Hopes said the Australians owed their lives to a National Guardsman who broke the rules and got whites out to a medical center past seething crowds of blacks.

Peter McNeil of Brisbane told the Australian AP that his son John was one of the 65 who managed to get out. The blacks were reportedly so hostile “they would stab you as soon as look at you.” “He’s never been so scared in his life,” explained Mr. McNeil. “He just said they had to get out of the dark. Otherwise, another night, he said, they would have been gone.” No American newspaper wrote about what these white tourists had gone through.

When guardsmen began to show up in force on Sept. 1 and take control, some blacks met them with cheers, but others shouted obscenities at them. Capt. John Pollard of the Texas Air Force National Guard said 20,000 people were in the dome when the evacuation began, but thousands more appeared from surrounding areas when word got out that there were buses leaving town. Soldiers held their M-16s and grenade-launchers ready, and kept a sharp eye out for snipers.

That same day, when it was time to board buses for Houston, soldiers had trouble controlling the crowd. People at the back of the mob crushed the people in front against barricades the soldiers put up to contain the crowd. Many people continued to yell obscenities whenever they saw a patrol go by. Some were afraid of losing their place in line and defecated where they stood. The Army Times reported that Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon of the Oklahoma National Guard had recently come home from Afghanistan. He said he was struck by the fact Afghanis wanted to help themselves, but that the people of New Orleans only wanted others to help them.
Refugees at the Superdome.

By the evening of Sept. 3, the Superdome was finally evacuated, but the state-of-the-art stadium was a reeking cavern of filth, human waste, and an unknown number of corpses. It, too, had been looted of everything not bolted down. Janice Singleton was working at the stadium when the storm hit. She said she was robbed of everything she had, including her shoes. As for the building: “They tore that dome apart,” she said sadly. “They tore it down. They taking everything out of there they can take.”

If anything, conditions were worse at the Convention Center. Although on high ground not far from the stadium, it had not been designated as a shelter. It was, however, beyond reach of the high water, and soon some 20,000 people were huddled in its cavernous halls. There were no supplies or staff, and for several days neither FEMA nor the National Guard seems to have known anyone was there.

Armed gangs took control, and occasional gunshots caused panic. There was no power, and at night the center was plunged into complete darkness. Degeneracy struck almost immediately, with rapes, robbery, and murder. Terrible shrieking tore through the night, but no one could see or dared to move. When Police Chief Eddie Compass heard what was happening, he sent a squad of 88 officers to investigate. They were overwhelmed by superior forces and retreated, leaving thousands to the mercy of criminals.

It was not until Sept. 2—four days after the hurricane—that a force of 1,000 National Guardsmen finally took over from the armed gangs. “Had we gone in with a lesser force we may have been challenged, innocents may have been caught in a fight between the guard and military police and those who did not want to be processed or apprehended,” explained Lieutenant-General Blum.

Sitting with her daughter and other relatives, Trolkyn Joseph, 37, told a reporter that men had wandered the center at night raping and murdering children. She said she found a dead 14-year old girl at 5 a.m. on Friday morning, four hours after the girl went missing. “She was raped for four hours until she was dead,” Miss Joseph said through tears. “Another child, a seven-year old boy, was found raped and murdered in the kitchen freezer last night.”

Africa Brumfield, 32, explained that women were in particular fear: “There is rapes going on here. Women cannot go to the bathroom without men. They are raping them and slitting their throats.” Donald Anderson, 43, was at the convention center with his wife who was six months pregnant: “We circled the chairs like wagons because at night there are stampedes,” he said. “We had to survive.”

The very few whites in the crowd were terrified. Eighty-year-old Selma Valenti, who was with her husband, said blacks threatened to kill them on Thursday, Sept. 1. “They hated us. Four young black men told us the buses were going to come last night and pick up the elderly so they were going to kill us,” she said, sobbing. Presumably, the blacks wanted to take their places on the buses.

The center was not entirely without a form of rough justice. A National Guardsman reported that a man who had raped and killed a young girl in the bathroom was caught by the crowd—which beat him to death.

At one time there were as many as seven or eight corpses in front of the center, some of them with blood streaming from bullet wounds. Inside, there was an emergency morgue, but a National Guardsman refused to let a Reuters photographer in to take pictures. “We’re not letting anyone in there anymore,” he said. “If you want to take pictures of dead bodies, go to Iraq.” By Saturday, Sept. 3, the center was mostly cleared of the living. Refugees pulled shirts over their noses trying to block out the smell as they walked past rotting bodies.
The evacuation begins.

By the weekend, there were an estimated 50,000 soldiers and federal rescue workers in the city, but even the massive presence did not bring calm. On Sunday, Sept. 4, contractors working for the US Army Corps of Engineers came under fire. Their police escort returned fire, in what became a running gun battle. Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police killed four of the attackers.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:57:58 PM EDT
I am speechless....what a horror.

Somebody in N.O. really dropped the ball on that evac.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:59:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:01:32 PM EDT

“If you want to take pictures of dead bodies, go to Iraq.”





GR
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:06:48 PM EDT


horrible. I have to say though it takes a certain kind of person to commit those kinds of crimes and another kind to let it happen.

I'm horrified.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:08:44 PM EDT
Link?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:09:31 PM EDT
Seems over-the-top, urban myth style.

Unfortunately, it's also believable.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:13:42 PM EDT
So let me get this straight, if they would have evacuated people quicker, people wouldn't have been forced to rape and murder children......
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:16:27 PM EDT
Said it before, I'll say it again.

NEVER allow yourself to enter ANY "refugee center", ESPECIALLY one filled with ghettoized thugs, gangstas and third-world animals of the poorest neighborhoods.

NEVER forget that tribalism is the deepest form of human interaction - and that WILL be all that's left when the shit hits the fan.

NEVER give up your right to defend yourself, ESPECIALLY when the "thin veneer of civilization" is removed from ANY major US city in any disaster, riot or terrorist attack.

NEVER allow yourself to be separated from "your kind" in a sea of savages. Band together for survival.

NEVER trust the Gov't or the police to protect you or your children from looters, muggers, rapists, rioters and murders. They can't protect you - and they won't.

An one more time -

NEVER voluntarily enter a "refugee center".

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:25:06 PM EDT
Source?

Not that I couldn't believe it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:28:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 6:29:06 PM EDT by MTUSA]
Liberalism is truly a mental illness. The left side of the aisle, created, promoted and enabled this type
of human and this type of human behavior. Black folks worst enemies is themselves and the so called
elected officials out for "their" best interest. Its the crime of the century...
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:40:17 PM EDT


NEVER voluntarily enter a "refugee center".


Yeah, what he said...
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:41:32 PM EDT
There shouldn't be a government commission formed to investigate the slow federal government response time to this disaster. There should be a commission formed on how our political leaders could have opened the asylum doors and let these cannibals be relocated to other states. God, I really feel for you poor folks in Texas.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:44:23 PM EDT
Two things really jumped out at me...

Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon of the Oklahoma National Guard had recently come home from Afghanistan. He said he was struck by the fact Afghanis wanted to help themselves, but that the people of New Orleans only wanted others to help them.



And


Mr. Hopes said. “Ninety-eight percent of the people around the world are good,” he said; “in that place 98 per cent of the people were bad



Aviator
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:49:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Link?

Sorry, no link. I copied & pasted from another message board with no link either.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:49:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Said it before, I'll say it again.

NEVER allow yourself to enter ANY "refugee center", ESPECIALLY one filled with ghettoized thugs, gangstas and third-world animals of the poorest neighborhoods.

NEVER forget that tribalism is the deepest form of human interaction - and that WILL be all that's left when the shit hits the fan.

NEVER give up your right to defend yourself, ESPECIALLY when the "thin veneer of civilization" is removed from ANY major US city in any disaster, riot or terrorist attack.

NEVER allow yourself to be separated from "your kind" in a sea of savages. Band together for survival.

NEVER trust the Gov't or the police to protect you or your children from looters, muggers, rapists, rioters and murders. They can't protect you - and they won't.

An one more time -

NEVER voluntarily enter a "refugee center".


You can be sure of that....
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:52:09 PM EDT
tagggged
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:53:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Link?


+1
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:54:17 PM EDT
Well put sir............a person is far better off out in the woods by themselves than to be left at the mercy of the subhuman trash that perpetrated the acts inside the Superdome.......


Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Said it before, I'll say it again.

NEVER allow yourself to enter ANY "refugee center", ESPECIALLY one filled with ghettoized thugs, gangstas and third-world animals of the poorest neighborhoods.

NEVER forget that tribalism is the deepest form of human interaction - and that WILL be all that's left when the shit hits the fan.

NEVER give up your right to defend yourself, ESPECIALLY when the "thin veneer of civilization" is removed from ANY major US city in any disaster, riot or terrorist attack.

NEVER allow yourself to be separated from "your kind" in a sea of savages. Band together for survival.

NEVER trust the Gov't or the police to protect you or your children from looters, muggers, rapists, rioters and murders. They can't protect you - and they won't.

An one more time -

NEVER voluntarily enter a "refugee center".


Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:57:25 PM EDT
Anyone who knows even a little about human nature cannot be surprised by all of this. Look at Gulags, Concentration Camps, the Bataan Death March, etc. Just make sure you are prepared when it happens and go out with a fight.

<---------Goes off to inventory his supplies again.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:01:22 PM EDT
Links to most parts of this have been posted ever since the stories started coming out. I've read most all of this in bits and pieces over the past few days.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:12:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:12:35 PM EDT
If I replied to this thread with what you all know to be the truth, I would get banned. So my question to you is, do you think this would have happened if the roles were reversed and the majority of the people in the superdome were white?

I think you all know the answer to that. And if you want to call me a racist, then you can kiss my ass. I am not, I am just telling it like it is, which doesnt seem to happen much anymore.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:15:03 PM EDT
Dude, you are not a racist. You are stating what I think everyone believes is the obvious.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:49:56 PM EDT
MST2
just another Alaskan who is neither Racist, Nor Color Blind.
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