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Posted: 8/29/2005 6:22:50 AM EDT

Will there be a new tourist destination: American Venice?

Things look pretty rough for NO. According to an article I read, the highest levees are 18 feet. The predicted storm surge is supposed to be a few feet higher. Also, I heard (could be rumor) that the levees were designed to withstand Cat 3 conditions.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:23:38 AM EDT
One levee has already broken with 8ft a water coming through
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:26:16 AM EDT
you will get overflow.
maybe flood the town.
so that patch the holes in the walls.
then the water on the "outside" will go down leaving a "pool"
they pump the pool dry and scrape out the mud and rebuild.
simple as that.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:42:29 AM EDT
Venice?

naah.

More like the world's most heavily-structured bass fishing lake.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:44:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Venice?

naah.

More like the world's most heavily-structured bass fishing lake.



Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:46:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hk940:
you will get overflow.
maybe flood the town.
so that patch the holes in the walls.
then the water on the "outside" will go down leaving a "pool"
they pump the pool dry and scrape out the mud and rebuild.
simple as that.



Simple? How much water do you want to remove? Something over 6-10 Billion Gallons? (maybe on the conservative side?)

If NO floods the pumps that service the city are at the bottom of the new pond . . . you have to bring in pumps BIG enough to get the job done. Garden variety pumps are simpy too low of a capacity to deal with this.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:11:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Jame_Retief:

Originally Posted By hk940:
you will get overflow.
maybe flood the town.
so that patch the holes in the walls.
then the water on the "outside" will go down leaving a "pool"
they pump the pool dry and scrape out the mud and rebuild.
simple as that.



Simple? How much water do you want to remove? Something over 6-10 Billion Gallons? (maybe on the conservative side?)

If NO floods the pumps that service the city are at the bottom of the new pond . . . you have to bring in pumps BIG enough to get the job done. Garden variety pumps are simpy too low of a capacity to deal with this.



it's all relative. i am just looking at the problem in the abstract. but then engineers do that. instead of looking at an overwhelming problem we look at it in simple terms so we can more easily solve it.
then scale up our easy solution to meet reality.
you seal the holes and pump it out. sure you use the city pumps and extra oversized pumps.
it won't be easy but it's "no step for a stepper". we just have to wait to get in there and see exactly what the problem is and how to best fix the walls. as soon as the water table is down on the outside we can start pump out. then go back and build the walls higher! maybe 25'
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:33:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hk940:

Originally Posted By Jame_Retief:

Originally Posted By hk940:
you will get overflow.
maybe flood the town.
so that patch the holes in the walls.
then the water on the "outside" will go down leaving a "pool"
they pump the pool dry and scrape out the mud and rebuild.
simple as that.



Simple? How much water do you want to remove? Something over 6-10 Billion Gallons? (maybe on the conservative side?)

If NO floods the pumps that service the city are at the bottom of the new pond . . . you have to bring in pumps BIG enough to get the job done. Garden variety pumps are simpy too low of a capacity to deal with this.



it's all relative. i am just looking at the problem in the abstract. but then engineers do that. instead of looking at an overwhelming problem we look at it in simple terms so we can more easily solve it.
then scale up our easy solution to meet reality.
you seal the holes and pump it out. sure you use the city pumps and extra oversized pumps.
it won't be easy but it's "no step for a stepper". we just have to wait to get in there and see exactly what the problem is and how to best fix the walls. as soon as the water table is down on the outside we can start pump out. then go back and build the walls higher! maybe 25'



I am an engineering technician . . . it is my job to look at the engineer and tell him he is not thiking big enough.

The size of pumps we are talking about involve a major engineering problem to construct . . . they have to specially manufacture this sort of thing.

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