Posted: 8/20/2026 10:50:23 AM EDT
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Let's try to maintain a thread with no extraneous discussion and no "Can I do XYZ" questions, keeping it clean for factual information only. If you want to ask questions or merely have comments, theres a 139+ Page Thread For That. I'll start it off with this, courtesy of Dangus. In Silencer Shop Foundation vs. ATF, the plaintiffs are: - Brady Wetz - Silencer Shop Foundation - B&T USA, LLC, - Palmetto State Armory, LLC - SilencerCo Weapons Research, LLC - Gun Owners of America, Inc. - Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition, Inc. - Gun Owners Foundation - States of Texas, Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming The challenged NFA provisions are: • 26 U.S.C. § 5812(a)–(b); https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5812 (a)Application A firearm shall not be transferred unless (1) the transferor of the firearm has filed with the Secretary a written application, in duplicate, for the transfer and registration of the firearm to the transferee on the application form prescribed by the Secretary; (2) any tax payable on the transfer is paid as evidenced by the proper stamp affixed to the original application form; (3) the transferee is identified in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe, except that, if such person is an individual, the identification must include his fingerprints and his photograph; (4) the transferor of the firearm is identified in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe; (5) the firearm is identified in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe; and (6) the application form shows that the Secretary has approved the transfer and the registration of the firearm to the transferee. Applications shall be denied if the transfer, receipt, or possession of the firearm would place the transferee in violation of law. (b)Transfer of possession The transferee of a firearm shall not take possession of the firearm unless the Secretary has approved the transfer and registration of the firearm to the transferee as required by subsection (a) of this section. =============== • 26 U.S.C. § 5822; https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5822 No person shall make a firearm unless he has (a) filed with the Secretary a written application, in duplicate, to make and register the firearm on the form prescribed by the Secretary; (b) paid any tax payable on the making and such payment is evidenced by the proper stamp affixed to the original application form; (c) identified the firearm to be made in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe; (d) identified himself in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe, except that, if such person is an individual, the identification must include his fingerprints and his photograph; and (e) obtained the approval of the Secretary to make and register the firearm and the application form shows such approval. Applications shall be denied if the making or possession of the firearm would place the person making the firearm in violation of law. =============== • 26 U.S.C. § 5841(a)–(c), (e); https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5841 (a)Central registry The Secretary shall maintain a central registry of all firearms in the United States which are not in the possession or under the control of the United States. This registry shall be known as the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. The registry shall include— (1)identification of the firearm; (2)date of registration; and (3)identification and address of person entitled to possession of the firearm. (b)By whom registered Each manufacturer, importer, and maker shall register each firearm he manufactures, imports, or makes. Each firearm transferred shall be registered to the transferee by the transferor. (c)How registered Each manufacturer shall notify the Secretary of the manufacture of a firearm in such manner as may by regulations be prescribed and such notification shall effect the registration of the firearm required by this section. Each importer, maker, and transferor of a firearm shall, prior to importing, making, or transferring a firearm, obtain authorization in such manner as required by this chapter or regulations issued thereunder to import, make, or transfer the firearm, and such authorization shall effect the registration of the firearm required by this section. (e)Proof of registration A person possessing a firearm registered as required by this section shall retain proof of registration which shall be made available to the Secretary upon request. =============== • 26 U.S.C. § 5861(b)–(f); https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5861 It shall be unlawful for any person— (b)to receive or possess a firearm transferred to him in violation of the provisions of this chapter; or (c)to receive or possess a firearm made in violation of the provisions of this chapter; or (d)to receive or possess a firearm which is not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record; or (e)to transfer a firearm in violation of the provisions of this chapter; or (f)to make a firearm in violation of the provisions of this chapter; [s]or =============== • 27 C.F.R. § 479.62(a)–(d); https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-B/part-479/subpart-E/subject-group-ECFR19dba6cc0eced3e/section-479.62 § 479.62 Applying to make. (a) General. No person shall make a firearm unless the person has filed with the Director a completed application on ATF Form 1 (5320.1), Application to Make and Register a Firearm, in duplicate, executed under the penalties of perjury, to make and register the firearm and has received the approval of the Director to make the firearm, which approval shall effectuate registration of the firearm to the applicant. If the applicant is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a partnership, company (including a Limited Liability Company (LLC)), association, trust, or corporation, all information on the Form 1 application shall be furnished for each responsible person of the applicant (b) Preparation of ATF Form 1. All of the information called for on Form 1 shall be provided, including: (1) Type of application, i.e., tax-paid or tax-exempt. If making the firearm is taxable, the applicant must remit $200 with the application for a machine gun or destructive device, or $0 for all other firearms, in accordance with the instructions on the form; (2) The identity of the applicant. If an individual, the applicant shall provide the applicant's name, address, and date of birth, and also comply with the identification requirements prescribed in § 479.63(a). If other than an individual, the applicant shall provide its name, address, and employer identification number, if any, as well as the name and address of each responsible person. Each responsible person of the applicant also shall comply with the identification requirements prescribed in § 479.63(b); (3) A description of the firearm to be made by type; caliber, gauge, or size; model; length of barrel; serial number; other marks of identification; and the name and address of the original manufacturer (if the applicant is not the original manufacturer); (4) The applicant's Federal firearms license number (if any); (5) The applicant's special (occupational) tax stamp (if applicable); and (6) If the applicant (including, if other than an individual, any responsible person) is an alien admitted under a nonimmigrant visa, applicable documentation demonstrating that the nonimmigrant alien falls within an exception to 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) under 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), or has obtained a waiver of that provision under 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(3). (c) Notification of chief law enforcement officer. Prior to the submission of the application to the Director, all applicants and responsible persons shall forward a completed copy of Form 1 or a completed copy of Form 5320.23, respectively, to the chief law enforcement officer of the locality in which the applicant or responsible person is located. The chief law enforcement officer is the local chief of police, county sheriff, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor. If the applicant is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a partnership, company, association, or corporation, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at its principal office or principal place of business; if a trust, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at the primary location at which the firearm will be maintained. (d) Approval of Form 1. If the application is approved, the Director will affix a National Firearms Act stamp to the original application in the space provided therefor and properly cancel the stamp (see § 479.67). The approved application will then be returned to the applicant. =============== • 27 C.F.R. § 479.84(a)–(d). https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-B/part-479/subpart-F/subject-group-ECFRb28151c5621805c/section-479.84 § 479.84 Applying to transfer. (a) General. Except as otherwise provided in this subpart, no firearm may be transferred in the United States unless an application, Form 4 (5320.4), Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm, in duplicate, executed under the penalties of perjury, to transfer the firearm and register it to the transferee has been filed with and approved by the Director. The application shall be filed by the transferor. If the transferee is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a partnership, company (including a Limited Liability Company (LLC)), association, trust, or corporation, all information on the Form 4 application shall be furnished for each responsible person of the transferee. (b) Preparation of ATF Form 4. All of the information called for on Form 4 shall be provided, including: (1) Type of firearm being transferred. The applicant must remit $200 with the application for a machine gun or destructive device, or $0 for all other firearms, in accordance with the instructions on the form; (2) The identity of the transferor by name and address and, if the transferor is other than a natural person, the title or legal status of the person executing the application in relation to the transferor; (3) The transferor's Federal firearms license number (if any); (4) The transferor's special (occupational) tax stamp (if any); (5) The identity of the transferee by name and address and, if the transferee is a person not qualified as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer under this part, the transferee shall be further identified in the manner prescribed in § 479.85; (6) The transferee's Federal firearms license number (if any); (7) The transferee's special (occupational) tax stamp (if applicable); and (8) A description of the firearm to be transferred by name and address of the manufacturer or importer (if known); caliber, gauge, or size; model; serial number; in the case of a short-barreled shotgun or a short-barreled rifle, the length of the barrel; in the case of a weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, the overall length of the weapon and the length of the barrel; and any other identifying marks on the firearm. In the event the firearm does not bear a serial number, the applicant shall obtain a serial number from ATF and shall stamp (impress) or otherwise conspicuously place such serial number on the firearm in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. (9) If the transferee (including, if other than an individual, any responsible person) is an alien admitted under a nonimmigrant visa, applicable documentation demonstrating that the nonimmigrant alien falls within an exception to 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) under 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), or has obtained a waiver of that provision under 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(3). (c) Notification of chief law enforcement officer. Prior to the submission of the application to the Director, all transferees and responsible persons shall forward a completed copy of Form 4 or a completed copy of Form 5320.23, respectively, to the chief law enforcement officer of the locality in which the transferee or responsible person is located. The chief law enforcement officer is the local chief of police, county sheriff, head of the State police, State or local district attorney or prosecutor. If the transferee is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a partnership, company, association, or corporation, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at its principal office or principal place of business; if the transferee is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a trust, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at the primary location at which the firearm will be maintained. (d) Approval of Form 4. If the application is approved, the Director will affix a National Firearms Act stamp to the original application in the space provided therefor and properly cancel the stamp (see § 479.87). The approved application will then be returned to the transferor. =/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/= In Jensen vs. ATF, the plaintiffs are: - John Jensen - Jeremy Neusch - David Lynn Smith - Hot Shots Custom, LLC - Texas State Rifle Association - FPC Action Foundation - Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms The challenged NFA provisions are: • 26 U.S.C. § 5842(b); https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5842 26 U.S. Code § 5842 - Identification of firearms (Including (a) here because (b) below refers to it) (a)Identification of firearms other than destructive devices Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer, or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe. (b)Firearms without serial number Any person who possesses a firearm, other than a destructive device, which does not bear the serial number and other information required by subsection (a) of this section shall identify the firearm with a serial number assigned by the Secretary and any other information the Secretary may by regulations prescribe. =============== • 26 U.S.C. § 5861(i). https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5861 26 U.S. Code § 5861 - Prohibited acts It shall be unlawful for any person— (i)to receive or possess a firearm which is not identified by a serial number as required by this chapter |
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If you know of a gun store selling suppressors on a 4473, post up the info. Belcher's Guns and Gunsmithing 13398 McKinley Highway Mishawaka, IN 46545 (574) 703-3811 From their Facebook page: "We have been overwhelmed with calls about Silencers!! If you buy a Silencer/AOW from us and we get it through Silencer Shop when you pick it up, it will go on a 4473. If it is inventory that came from another third-party vendor those have to be put on a form 4. SBS and SBR‘s do not apply at the moment." |
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Facts? I got facts for ya PSA stores are selling suppressors after filling out a 4473 only They will also accept suppressors on form 3 from a dealer and you can walk out after filling out a 4473 This is only for SC residents, in SC stores How do I know this? I’ve done both 
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Bauer Precision 920 Dallas Dr Ste 102 Denton, TX 76205 https://www.bauer-precision.com/blog/goa-members-can-now-buy-any-suppressor-sameday-at-bauer-precision/ How the process works 1. Email your GOA membership proof to [email protected]. Send your membership card, a screenshot of your active membership status, or a confirmation email from GOA. We verify your membership before processing the transfer. 2. Come to the store. This is an in-person transfer at our Denton location: 920 Dallas Dr, Ste 102, Denton, TX 76205. 3. Bring your valid Texas driver's license or Texas ID. Same ID requirement as any firearm purchase. 4. Make sure your name matches across all three documents. Your GOA membership, your Form 4473, and your Texas ID must all show the same name. If they do not match, we cannot process the transfer. Check your GOA membership profile and update it with GOA if needed before your visit. 5. Pick your suppressor. Browse our full inventory. Every brand we carry is available to GOA members on a 4473. 6. Complete the Form 4473. Standard ATF Form 4473, same as any firearm purchase. We run the NICS background check. 7. Pass the background check. If you are clear, you are done. Walk out with your suppressor. Same day. No Form 4. No tax stamp. No registration. No waiting. |
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https://www.ammoland.com/2026/08/ffls-pass-atf-inspections-after-transferring-suppressors-on-form-4473/ For the TLDR crowd. 4 routine ATF inspections in 4 different states, all dealers transferring cans on 4473s, 0 violations noted by ATF inspectors. This is the way it's going to go. ATF isn't going to issue "guidance". There's really nothing for them to say. Rays Gun shop in Dallas Bauer Precision in Denton Both selling cans on 4473s. All cans. Not just Silencershop stuff. They just want to see proof of GOA membership prior to selling. |
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Originally Posted By txgunguy: https://www.ammoland.com/2026/08/ffls-pass-atf-inspections-after-transferring-suppressors-on-form-4473/ For the TLDR crowd. 4 routine ATF inspections in 4 different states, all dealers transferring cans on 4473s, 0 violations noted by ATF inspectors. I have some doubts as to the accuracy of this info. Injunction went into effect 8/13. Date of article is eight day later. Ammoland is saying that four stores had audits that were started and completed in one week? |
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I purchased from Silencer Shop’s Leander location two weeks ago. I got the text from Watermark Arms yesterday that my can was there. I picked it up on the way home from work after filling out a 4473, and there was no transfer fee. I left work early yesterday, and it was a good thing I did because the line for pickup was long by the time I left. |
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Originally Posted By glklvr: I have some doubts as to the accuracy of this info. Injunction went into effect 8/13. Date of article is eight day later. Ammoland is saying that four stores had audits that were started and completed in one week? |
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Originally Posted By txgunguy: Correct. Dealers throughout the country get audited on a daily basis. Compliance checks, inspections, etc. Originally Posted By txgunguy: Originally Posted By glklvr: I have some doubts as to the accuracy of this info. Injunction went into effect 8/13. Date of article is eight day later. Ammoland is saying that four stores had audits that were started and completed in one week? Possible these were inspections already in progress and these FFLs were transferring during the audit? Though you'd think they'd mention that detail... |
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Originally Posted By st33ve0: Possible these were inspections already in progress and these FFLs were transferring during the audit? Though you'd think they'd mention that detail... Originally Posted By st33ve0: Originally Posted By txgunguy: Originally Posted By glklvr: I have some doubts as to the accuracy of this info. Injunction went into effect 8/13. Date of article is eight day later. Ammoland is saying that four stores had audits that were started and completed in one week? Possible these were inspections already in progress and these FFLs were transferring during the audit? Though you'd think they'd mention that detail... I think someone posted a similar tweet/X in the big thread, talking about how the dealers that were audited recently were "pre-scheduled" audits (don't know if the dealer knew they were pre-scheduled, but the ATF most certainly pre-schedules FFL audits). Focus on the takeaway: There are FFLs are transferring suppressors on 4473s only, and ATF has no legal recourse against it. |
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