[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Legal weed as a medicine (Page 4 of 10)
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I don't understand the point of medical pot at all. Why are the active ingredients simply not extracted and used in medications like everything else? Why can't the active ingredients be synthesized like most drugs? The whole concept of medical pot seems like snake oil, given the state of the pharmaceutical industry. Who in their right mind would want to suck smoke into their lungs? . |
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it pretty much only can increase appetite. that's about it. weed has no other real medical purpose. if your wife and family find it helpful i'm glad for them, and i'm all for legalizing it, but it really has no medical purpose. At least in my eyes. |
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Your anecdote is worthless. WORTHLESS. You obviously do not understand how science works, and how proper clinical trials are conducted. Drugs are not approved by means of casual stories told by patients. If they were, than the unorthodox cancer treatments like laetrile, a controversial alternative treatment made from apricot pits, would have been approved, because SOME patients CLAIMED that treatment did in fact help them. Just because sincere people like yourself tell STORIES about marijuana, or pancreatic enzymes, massages, prayer sessions, psychotherapy, coffee enemas, injections of a cell preparations made from sheep and cattle fetuses, and laetrile, does not mean that that shit, or marijuana should be released into the general prescribing formulary just because laymen say so!! The marijuana debate is fraught with emotionally laden controversy due to the fact that very many people want this drug that allows them to get high to become legalized. Because Congress classified cannabis and THC (one of the active compounds in cannabis) as Schedule I drugs under the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, there has been only limited research because Schedule I drugs are defined by Congress as having no medicinal value. Marijuana has not had to meet the rigorous standards required for other drugs prescribed by the medical community, so there is no standardization of the dose, and amounts of active ingredients vary. Marijuana contains approximately 66 active compounds with different properties, not all of which have been properly studied. No other drug would be allowed to be released for treatment with so many compounds and unknowns. As it is now, basically, patients smoke until they claim symptoms have eased. Meanwhile, burning marijuana produces toxins which can cause emphysema and lung cancer! OTOH, recreational users are the ones pushing the national reform of marijuana laws, while pushing the medical use of the drug ahead of themselves, like they're using patients as their human shields to quash debate on marijuana as a recreational drug for getting high as often as possible. Interesting in these debates as how it is not mentioned that in the last 20 years that THC levels in marijuana have skyrocketed due to demand from recreational users while the cannabidiol (CBD) "medicinal" compounds have concurrently reduced. What most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience. A few people and the doctors that pander to their needs are touting the variety of therapeutic uses for pain management or control of seizure disorders, etc. These patients need to be prescribed tested, proven drugs from the FDA approved formulary until nonpsychoactive cannabidiol (CBD) has proved itself under the rigor of the same drug trials demanded by any other therapeutic substance. Meanwhile, there are smarter ways to deal with marijuana than wholesale legalization, which threatens to expose us to unknown risks from the individuals that get high and their effect on society. Quoted:
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On here from time to time I notice the complete lack of understanding about medical Marijuana... I have a stepson who is a cancer survivor and has Beckwith–Wiedemann syndrome.. My wife also has cancer..Diabetes and has suffered a stroke. The radiation treatments for her cancer killed the bones in her hip led to a fracture which later became severely infected almost killing her. After several surgeries she is now in a wheelchair awaiting yet another one. And dealing with severe pain.. As part of her treatment many doctors suggested medical marijuana... I remained skeptical... I can say this to any naysayers out there the benifits have been tremendous... The side affects almost nill And I have yet to meet a single medical professional that has a negative thing to say about its use... So there you have my experience Your anecdote is worthless. WORTHLESS. You obviously do not understand how science works, and how proper clinical trials are conducted. Drugs are not approved by means of casual stories told by patients. If they were, than the unorthodox cancer treatments like laetrile, a controversial alternative treatment made from apricot pits, would have been approved, because SOME patients CLAIMED that treatment did in fact help them. Just because sincere people like yourself tell STORIES about marijuana, or pancreatic enzymes, massages, prayer sessions, psychotherapy, coffee enemas, injections of a cell preparations made from sheep and cattle fetuses, and laetrile, does not mean that that shit, or marijuana should be released into the general prescribing formulary just because laymen say so!! The marijuana debate is fraught with emotionally laden controversy due to the fact that very many people want this drug that allows them to get high to become legalized. Because Congress classified cannabis and THC (one of the active compounds in cannabis) as Schedule I drugs under the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, there has been only limited research because Schedule I drugs are defined by Congress as having no medicinal value. Marijuana has not had to meet the rigorous standards required for other drugs prescribed by the medical community, so there is no standardization of the dose, and amounts of active ingredients vary. Marijuana contains approximately 66 active compounds with different properties, not all of which have been properly studied. No other drug would be allowed to be released for treatment with so many compounds and unknowns. As it is now, basically, patients smoke until they claim symptoms have eased. Meanwhile, burning marijuana produces toxins which can cause emphysema and lung cancer! OTOH, recreational users are the ones pushing the national reform of marijuana laws, while pushing the medical use of the drug ahead of themselves, like they're using patients as their human shields to quash debate on marijuana as a recreational drug for getting high as often as possible. Interesting in these debates as how it is not mentioned that in the last 20 years that THC levels in marijuana have skyrocketed due to demand from recreational users while the cannabidiol (CBD) "medicinal" compounds have concurrently reduced. What most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience. A few people and the doctors that pander to their needs are touting the variety of therapeutic uses for pain management or control of seizure disorders, etc. These patients need to be prescribed tested, proven drugs from the FDA approved formulary until nonpsychoactive cannabidiol (CBD) has proved itself under the rigor of the same drug trials demanded by any other therapeutic substance. Meanwhile, there are smarter ways to deal with marijuana than wholesale legalization, which threatens to expose us to unknown risks from the individuals that get high and their effect on society. Been that way since at least the 1960s. For most, the legality of what they are doing doesn't enter into their decision making process. I know nobody that has said "you know, I really want to smoke weed but that shit is illegal" that would run down to the weed store and buy it if it was legal to do so. Pot is legal here, I know no more or less people who use it then did before it was legalized. I mean yeah, there may be unknown risks but I am betting the Doritos and Oreo people have done market research and are ready to ramp up production to meet consumer demands. 
To reiterate, I am 100% pro legalization, I also have no, zero desire to partake. I also don't drink even though that is legal and socially acceptable for the most part. |
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I swear, some of the people here must just own a shitload of big pharma and big prison stocks or something. "Just trust big pharma with your medical needs. Why try a cheaper, safer and less harmful option that you can grow yourself when you can just get some pills from a medical professional?" Big pharma have done such wonders for our country with the Opidemic, doping all of our kids up on ADHD meds, putting people on anti-depressants that cause them to go suicidal, and other wonder drugs.
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/maker-deadly-fentanyl-kicks-half-million-dollars-defeat-pot-legalization-arizona yeah...Trust big pharma. Fuck big pharma. Marijuana legalization advocates have long argued that pharmaceutical companies, which could lose out if marijuana is legally available, are some of the staunchest supporters of pot prohibition, and now an Arizona company is making their case for them. According to campaign finance reports posted online by the Arizona secretary of state's office, fentanyl manufacturer Insys Therapuetics has donated $500,000 to foes of the Prop 205 marijuana legalization initiative. Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid several dozen times more potent than heroin. It has been linked to numerous opioid overdose deaths across the country, especially when mixed with heroin. Marijuana, on the other hand, has no reported overdose deaths, ever. |
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Would you start using it if it became legal and no longer could get you fired if you took a drug test? 
No, I have absolutely no desire. The one time I tried it in college many moons ago, it was illegal and could get me fired. Weed doesn't interest me, but there is absolutely no reason that you, I or anyone else should be able to tell an adult that they can't consume a plant. It's fucking nutty to even think so. |
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IT'S THE GATEWAY DRUG!!! Coffee to wake up then alcohol to take the edge off at night and go to sleep. Next thing you know you are shooting heroin into your eyeballs. Maybe we need to rethink use of the coffee or tea plants. Or the tobacco plant Or barley, malt and hops |
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It's a plant that grows out of the ground. Sure there are plenty of altered variants out there but they aren't "laced." Legal pot places aren't trying to kill their customers, might be bad for business. Quoted:
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That is for the medical professionals to decide. I just know thru common sense that gambling with your life by relying on an illegal drug produced from questionable origins is probably not a good idea. What if it was laced with something dangerous?
It's a plant that grows out of the ground. Sure there are plenty of altered variants out there but they aren't "laced." Legal pot places aren't trying to kill their customers, might be bad for business. |
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Would you start using it if it became legal and no longer could get you fired if you took a drug test? |
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So in regard to your last paragraph.... How is it an unknown? For 100s of years people have used it, and for years now have used in states that allow it. Are you telling me the results are unknown? Or that the WoD believers want it to remain unknown? Or that there was such a slight difference in society that it appears unknown? Also, what right do you, or anyone, have to deny a free citizen the ability to ingest something that had no affect of your life? This question is asked in the spirit of "if it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my arm....". Please at least answer this question because I am sincerely curious. FWIW, I don't smoke marijuana or anything for that matter. Maybe a cigar once every few years. 
You may be a sincere person?? But are you going to claim ignorance of the reasons behind the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906?? Are you claiming ignorance of why, Why, WHY the gov't had to step in and begin preventing the manufacture, sale, or transportation of adulterated or misbranded or poisonous or deleterious foods, drugs, medicines, and liquors, and for regulating trafficking of them? It would not stretch matters to remember the patent medicines and advertising fraud that people like yourself would believe until the advent of the FDA caused thousands of unnecessary injury and deaths each year. Yeah, tell me how you still want Laudanum sold OTC to the general public and cocaine added to pop sodas! 
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I don't understand the point of medical pot at all. Why are the active ingredients simply not extracted and used in medications like everything else? Why can't the active ingredients be synthesized like most drugs? The whole concept of medical pot seems like snake oil, given the state of the pharmaceutical industry. Who in their right mind would want to suck smoke into their lungs? . 1) Why the hell would you want to go to the trouble and expense to extract ingredients that are already bio-available without side effects (or minimally) in a plant? 2) Why the hell would you want to go to the trouble and expense to synthesize something that is already available naturally and cheaply in a plant? Not to mention that is isn't made up of ether and gasoline and whatever shit would be in the Chinese equivalent. 3) Why would it seem like snake oil? How many drugs have been created by studying or directly from nature? Look at opioids, aspirin, many antibiotics, and a million others. Do you think we currently have synthetic drugs to cure everything? Do you think the pharmaceutical industry is ethical in general? 4) a) They are other methods of administering it, not just smoking. b) If I have a terminal disorder and it brings me comfort, do you really think I would be worried about smoke? |
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Because, what most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience. |
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How many of those deaths were from patients legally using those medications and following the directions of their doctor? I bet it is much, much lower. |
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You don't need to convince me. |
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I don't understand the point of medical pot at all. Why are the active ingredients simply not extracted and used in medications like everything else? Why can't the active ingredients be synthesized like most drugs? The whole concept of medical pot seems like snake oil, given the state of the pharmaceutical industry. Who in their right mind would want to suck smoke into their lungs? . |
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Because, what most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience. Marijuana advocates perform incredible feats of mental gymnastics to justify legalization but it is nothing compared to what is required to justify keeping it illegal. We actually have people here suggesting that those who found medicinal success with marijuana should have used pharmaceuticals that kill more people on a daily basis than marijuana has ever killed. |
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Same here. Legalize it, 
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Why go to the trouble/expense to synthesize what could be easily extracted from the natural source ?? There could be other delivery systems but all drugs have potential side effects. The smoke is merely one of the few associated with MJ, though I'm sure it could be mitigated by filtering to a large extent. |
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Where are you going with this exactly? Should we shutdown grocery stores for people abusing them and becoming obese? Quoted:
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Medical marijuana spurs "clinics" like the previous pill addicts flocked to "pain clinics" before the feds and states cracked down on them. Sorry, but when you have several local OD's related to script's signed by doctors at clinics 200 miles away, it's not a pain issue, it's an abuse issue. Should we shutdown grocery stores for people abusing them and becoming obese? Sorry, it's abused by more people than it helps. My wife had to go through hormone replacement after a double hysterectomy. She had to try several different hormones, after lengthy trial periods, to find the one that worked for her. Each one required a selection and script from her doctor. She didn't get to go to the pharmacy and pick shit out. Those fucking shows pretty much have someone going and getting their card, going and getting their pot and going home or to the hotel and firing up. It really is more like hipsters, yuppies and people going through some age related crisis buying weed instead of buying wine or cigars. It's the obvious hypocrisy that turns me off. Sorry, I deal with enough "disabled" people to know when intentions are defeated and a racket takes over when I see it. |
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Lol.... Hippies basement... It's legal in Illinois and is not grown in your uncles basement... Your credibility is greatly diminished Quoted:
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There are many legitimate drugs produced by reputable pharmaceutical companies to help people with pain and appetite. I'm glad pot helped your relatives in this instance but pot isn't some magical cure all plant. You should rely on actual tried and true medications and not some drug grown out of some hippies basement. Hippies basement... It's legal in Illinois and is not grown in your uncles basement... Your credibility is greatly diminished "Your credibility is greatly diminished." |
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Your anecdote is worthless. WORTHLESS. You obviously do not understand how science works, and how proper clinical trials are conducted. Drugs are not approved by means of casual stories told by patients. If they were, than the unorthodox cancer treatments like laetrile, a controversial alternative treatment made from apricot pits, would have been approved, because SOME patients CLAIMED that treatment did in fact help them. Just because sincere people like yourself tell STORIES about marijuana, or pancreatic enzymes, massages, prayer sessions, psychotherapy, coffee enemas, injections of a cell preparations made from sheep and cattle fetuses, and laetrile, does not mean that that shit, or marijuana should be released into the general prescribing formulary just because laymen say so!! The marijuana debate is fraught with emotionally laden controversy due to the fact that very many people want this drug that allows them to get high to become legalized. Because Congress classified cannabis and THC (one of the active compounds in cannabis) as Schedule I drugs under the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, there has been only limited research because Schedule I drugs are defined by Congress as having no medicinal value. Marijuana has not had to meet the rigorous standards required for other drugs prescribed by the medical community, so there is no standardization of the dose, and amounts of active ingredients vary. Marijuana contains approximately 66 active compounds with different properties, not all of which have been properly studied. No other drug would be allowed to be released for treatment with so many compounds and unknowns. As it is now, basically, patients smoke until they claim symptoms have eased. Meanwhile, burning marijuana produces toxins which can cause emphysema and lung cancer! OTOH, recreational users are the ones pushing the national reform of marijuana laws, while pushing the medical use of the drug ahead of themselves, like they're using patients as their human shields to quash debate on marijuana as a recreational drug for getting high as often as possible. Interesting in these debates as how it is not mentioned that in the last 20 years that THC levels in marijuana have skyrocketed due to demand from recreational users while the cannabidiol (CBD) "medicinal" compounds have concurrently reduced. What most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience. A few people and the doctors that pander to their needs are touting the variety of therapeutic uses for pain management or control of seizure disorders, etc. These patients need to be prescribed tested, proven drugs from the FDA approved formulary until nonpsychoactive cannabidiol (CBD) has proved itself under the rigor of the same drug trials demanded by any other therapeutic substance. Meanwhile, there are smarter ways to deal with marijuana than wholesale legalization, which threatens to expose us to unknown risks from the individuals that get high and their effect on society. My wife was on a fentanal patch and nearly OD'ed.. So much for the safety of pharmaceuticals...... I'll stick with the results I've seen.. Her doctors advice.... And ignore your hyperbole... |
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Several tv shows for several years have shown how in California, for example, the "medical" marijuana system works. A guy wants medical weed, goes to a doctor who asks him general questions about his health. Doctor diagnoses him with usually multiple possible symptoms that weed may help. He gets his card and goes to the dispensary (more like a "boutique") ponders all the blends and makes a selection. Sorry, it's abused by more people than it helps. My wife had to go through hormone replacement after a double hysterectomy. She had to try several different hormones, after lengthy trial periods, to find the one that worked for her. Each one required a selection and script from her doctor. She didn't get to go to the pharmacy and pick shit out. Those fucking shows pretty much have someone going and getting their card, going and getting their pot and going home or to the hotel and firing up. It really is more like hipsters, yuppies and people going through some age related crisis buying weed instead of buying wine or cigars. It's the obvious hypocrisy that turns me off. Sorry, I deal with enough "disabled" people to know a when intentions are defeated and racket takes over when I see it. But seriously, you're using your anecdotal evidence to counter our anecdotal evidence. You see no problem with this? |
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Several tv shows for several years have shown how in California, for example, the "medical" marijuana system works. A guy wants medical weed, goes to a doctor who asks him general questions about his health. Doctor diagnoses him with usually multiple possible symptoms that weed may help. He gets his card and goes to the dispensary (more like a "boutique") ponders all the blends and makes a selection. Sorry, it's abused by more people than it helps. My wife had to go through hormone replacement after a double hysterectomy. She had to try several different hormones, after lengthy trial periods, to find the one that worked for her. Each one required a selection and script from her doctor. She didn't get to go to the pharmacy and pick shit out. Those fucking shows pretty much have someone going and getting their card, going and getting their pot and going home or to the hotel and firing up. It really is more like hipsters, yuppies and people going through some age related crisis buying weed instead of buying wine or cigars. It's the obvious hypocrisy that turns me off. Sorry, I deal with enough "disabled" people to know a when intentions are defeated and racket takes over when I see it. If 10 people started abusing the hormone replacement therapy that works for your wife, would you support outlawing that hormone replacement? Should a drug that works for some be outlawed because others are abusing it? I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm trying to put it in a context for you that is the exact situation in which some people now find themselves. |
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I live in WA, where people smoke weed on the sidewalks, in their cars (while driving), in their homes, out in public, everywhere it seems.
It's annoying. It stinks. I don't personally like it, and I think inhaling any smoke of anything might have some bad side effects at some point. But hey, smoke whatever you like, so long as I don't have to smell it, or get killed by you driving stoned. (in WA, marijuana related traffic fatalities are on the rise) |
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Better idea. Legalize it. Get rid of all the BS regulations on alcohol, too. Including the taxes. |
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HealthDay News — Medical marijuana may carry infectious bacteria and fungi that can pose a life-threatening risk to cancer patients who use it to ease the side effects of chemotherapy, according to a study published online recently in Clinical Microbiology and Infection. Researchers from the University of California at Davis became aware of this risk when a patient developed a rare and incurable fungal infection after using aerosolized marijuana – raw, blended marijuana inhaled as a mist. The patient ultimately died from a lung infection due to the fungus Mucor, according to his physician, Joseph Tuscano, MD, a professor of internal medicine in the Division of Hematology and Oncology at the university. The patient had been using medical marijuana while he was receiving chemotherapy and stem cell therapy for cancer. To test their concern, the researchers had DNA analysis conducted to identify the fungi and bacteria contained in the samples from medical marijuana dispensaries. Several different families of dangerous fungi were found in the medical marijuana, including Aspergillus, Cryptococcus, and Mucor. Bacteria found in the marijuana samples included Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Pseudomonas fluorescens, Pseudomonas putida, Acinetobacter baumannii, and Stenotrophomonas maltophilia. http://www.empr.com/news/marijuana-bacteria-fungal-mucor-aerosolized-mist/article/638387/ A rare fungal infection has killed a California man undergoing cancer treatment and it’s believed he got it from medical marijuana, CBS Los Angeles reports. The treatment left the man’s immune system compromised, but his death still surprised doctors because he was relatively young and his cancer was beatable. He was using medical marijuana to fend off the treatment’s effects. After his death, testing of 20 medical marijuana samples from across the state found the vast majority were contaminated with dangerous bacteria and fungi. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/contaminated-medical-marijuana-pot-believed-to-have-killed-cancer-patient/ The same thing happens when people take certain immune suppressant drugs for things like RA. Have you ever heard the commercials warn about "death from a rare brain virus". "Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy (PML) is a rare brain disease caused by reactivation of the JC virus. Herein, a case of PML in association with rituximab treatment in a patient with chronic rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and Sjögren's syndrome is described. The patient received 4 courses of rituximab (2 1,000-mg infusions administered 2 weeks apart) over a period of approximately 40 months, during a phase III trial and safety extension study. PML was diagnosed approximately 18 months after the last rituximab course, and the patient died 1 month later. Determination of the cause of PML was confounded by the fact that the patient had developed oropharyngeal cancer, which was treated with chemoradiotherapy, 9 months prior to the development of PML. . . ." The molds are a little different. Most of them are present everywhere in the form of spores. They are in the dirt, in the food, everywhere. Most of the time they don't cause a problem. <Microbiologist here. |
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Umm, there are millions and millions of people who smoke/vape/eat weed or cannabis extracts in this country. Been that way since at least the 1960s. For most, the legality of what they are doing doesn't enter into their decision making process. I know nobody that has said "you know, I really want to smoke weed but that shit is illegal" that would run down to the weed store and buy it if it was legal to do so. Pot is legal here, I know no more or less people who use it then did before it was legalized. I mean yeah, there may be unknown risks but I am betting the Doritos and Oreo people have done market research and are ready to ramp up production to meet consumer demands.
To reiterate, I am 100% pro legalization, I also have no, zero desire to partake. I also don't drink even though that is legal and socially acceptable for the most part. |
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Most of those are normal flora found in everyone's body, even cryptococcus neoformans. Most people have healthy immune systems that keep it in check but when you have a compromised? immune system it becomes an active infection. The same thing happens when people take certain immune suppressant drugs for things like RA. Have you ever heard the commercials warn about "death from a rare brain virus". "Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy (PML) is a rare brain disease caused by reactivation of the JC virus. Herein, a case of PML in association with rituximab treatment in a patient with chronic rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and Sjögren's syndrome is described. The patient received 4 courses of rituximab (2 1,000-mg infusions administered 2 weeks apart) over a period of approximately 40 months, during a phase III trial and safety extension study. PML was diagnosed approximately 18 months after the last rituximab course, and the patient died 1 month later. Determination of the cause of PML was confounded by the fact that the patient had developed oropharyngeal cancer, which was treated with chemoradiotherapy, 9 months prior to the development of PML. . . ." The molds are a little different. Most of them are present everywhere in the form of spores. They are in the dirt, in the food, everywhere. Most of the time they don't cause a problem. <Microbiologist here. $$$$$ |
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But how can a plant be dangerous?? Hurr durr is only dangerous to the snack isle of the grocery store. /sThat's fine, just say you hate the weed instead of dredging up fake reasons for it. It makes you sound like a shoulder thing that goes up. |
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What right do you, or anyone, have to deny a free citizen the ability to ingest something that had no affect of your life?
You may be a sincere person?? But are you going to claim ignorance of the reasons behind the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906?? Are you claiming ignorance of why, Why, WHY the gov't had to step in and begin preventing the manufacture, sale, or transportation of adulterated or misbranded or poisonous or deleterious foods, drugs, medicines, and liquors, and for regulating trafficking of them? It would not stretch matters to remember the patent medicines and advertising fraud that people like yourself would believe until the advent of the FDA caused thousands of unnecessary injury and deaths each year. Yeah, tell me how you still want Laudanum sold OTC to the general public and cocaine added to pop sodas! Quoted:
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So in regard to your last paragraph.... How is it an unknown? For 100s of years people have used it, and for years now have used in states that allow it. Are you telling me the results are unknown? Or that the WoD believers want it to remain unknown? Or that there was such a slight difference in society that it appears unknown? Also, what right do you, or anyone, have to deny a free citizen the ability to ingest something that had no affect of your life? This question is asked in the spirit of "if it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my arm....". Please at least answer this question because I am sincerely curious. FWIW, I don't smoke marijuana or anything for that matter. Maybe a cigar once every few years.
You may be a sincere person?? But are you going to claim ignorance of the reasons behind the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906?? Are you claiming ignorance of why, Why, WHY the gov't had to step in and begin preventing the manufacture, sale, or transportation of adulterated or misbranded or poisonous or deleterious foods, drugs, medicines, and liquors, and for regulating trafficking of them? It would not stretch matters to remember the patent medicines and advertising fraud that people like yourself would believe until the advent of the FDA caused thousands of unnecessary injury and deaths each year. Yeah, tell me how you still want Laudanum sold OTC to the general public and cocaine added to pop sodas! Again, what right do you have to deny someone the ability to ingest something that doesn't affect you? Side note.....are you saying you need the government to tell you what you can/cannot ingest? Disclosure is one thing (calories in a candy bar for instance) but it is another to ban their ingestion. In light of the PFaD Act, why not legalize marijuana and disclose any health risks, like we do for alcohol/tobacco? |
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Personally, I'm skeptical of a lot of the so called claims that marijuana can do. However, I do believe that for things like pain and nausea relief it's appropriate.
I have a cabinet full of medications used to control nausea. They do jack shit to treat my cancer, but they do help with nausea. Not really seeing the difference between those and pot at this point. |
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A lot of people have also never heard of Marinol, an actual medicinal version of MJ with scaleable dosages and substantially reduced side effects, such as getting high. Then again, the high part is what the med MJ peple WANT, isn't it? We covered all of this in the last pot thread. Why are there so many pot threads all of a sudden? |
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I live in WA, where people smoke weed on the sidewalks, in their cars (while driving), in their homes, out in public, everywhere it seems. It's annoying. It stinks. I don't personally like it, and I think inhaling any smoke of anything might have some bad side effects at some point. But hey, smoke whatever you like, so long as I don't have to smell it, or get killed by you driving stoned. (in WA, marijuana related traffic fatalities are on the rise) |
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"gambling with your life" "laced with something dangerous"  Such does happen. In addition, GD condemns eating at fast places and many sit down places, such as "Olive Garden". There is no way in Hell I would condume something of unknow origin, from an unknown person, under illegal circumstances. Change the federal laws and have big tobacco and big pharma handle it. . . |
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Which is a problem why? Isn't that why most people drink? Quoted:
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They are all illegal, more so than machine gun manufacturers.
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Because, what most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience. Quoted:
Same thing people want from booze. And MJ is safer. If it were decriminalized, it would be safer still. But "Muh Reefer Madness!" Once a person starts with mind-altering drugs, there is seemingly no end to the rationalization that can be embraced. Quoted:
We covered all of this in the last pot thread. Why are there so many pot threads all of a sudden? |
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Hardly. Such does happen. In addition, GD condemns eating at fast places and many sit down places, such as "Olive Garden". There is no way in Hell I would condume something of unknow origin, from an unknown person, under illegal circumstances. Change the federal laws and have big tobacco and big pharma handle it. . . |
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How the fuck is someone gambling their life on it lol? Its impossible to OD on marijuana. Questionable origins? Its a fucking plant that grows out of the ground that various cultures around the globe have been using for thousands of years. Laced with something ? There is ZERO problems with this in the legal states with dispensaries.Quoted:
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That is for the medical professionals to decide. I just know thru common sense that gambling with your life by relying on an illegal drug produced from questionable origins is probably not a good idea. What if it was laced with something dangerous? Questionable origins? Its a fucking plant that grows out of the ground that various cultures around the globe have been using for thousands of years. Laced with something ? There is ZERO problems with this in the legal states with dispensaries.Yea, let's all run out to the local hood rat and get some now. Naw, I'll pass. . |
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I strongly argue that behind every NORML supporter, behind every "marijuana is safer" advocate, are standing groups wanting decriminalization of other mind altering substances or drugs. Once a person starts with mind-altering drugs, there is seemingly no end to the rationalization that can be embraced. Quoted:
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They are all illegal, more so than machine gun manufacturers.
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Because, what most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience. Quoted:
Same thing people want from booze. And MJ is safer. If it were decriminalized, it would be safer still. But "Muh Reefer Madness!" Once a person starts with mind-altering drugs, there is seemingly no end to the rationalization that can be embraced. |
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I don't suppose you have seen what chemo does to people then? I have, and I will not be going that route until things drastically change. You are worries about a statistically minute chance of some weird fungus, when you already have fucking cancer and are on chemo? Does anyone remember the contaminated corticosteroids that gave people a deadly fungus infection awhile back? People were getting spinal injections for pain and the one company was involved in questionable practices where they made and packaged the drug. They took shortcuts and did not use proper technique. If I recall correctly they had been sited in the past. But let's just toss that piece of data to the side, everyone knows that everything in modern medicine is safe and nothing bad ever happens. |
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And of course the opinions of the dozens of Medical professionals that have recommended its use versus the opioids are worthless to? My wife was on a fentanal patch and nearly OD'ed.. So much for the safety of pharmaceuticals...... I'll stick with the results I've seen.. Her doctors advice.... And ignore your hyperbole... |
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Here's a rhetorical question for you: If 10 people started abusing the hormone replacement therapy that works for your wife, would you support outlawing that hormone replacement? Should a drug that works for some be outlawed because others are abusing it? I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm trying to put it in a context for you that is the exact situation in which some people now find themselves. But do most "medical" marijuana users get prescribed a certain strain of marijuana and a dosage amount? Or do they go pick a strain out and buy how much they want within whatever is the allowable limit to possess? How about refills? Like I said, it is the hypocrisy associated with the status that some "patients" publicize that helps portray it as a sham. |