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4/24/2017 12:16:33 PM EDT
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In before the stupid fucking moral majority.  
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Statist will be Statist, it's about control and welfare for cops.
The WOD is a tool they use to erode rights and a ton here cheer.
4/24/2017 12:17:05 PM EDT
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I know a medically retired cop who got addicted to opiates. He used medical weed to wean off the opiates and then stopped the weed later. Seems it help with withdrawal from the pain killers.

We have medical pot in AZ but recreational was voted down.
4/24/2017 12:17:48 PM EDT
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Who in their right mind doesn't know that everything you outlined has been done for years. I think the more important question is whether or not you prefer baked goods, gummy bears, or chocolate bars.
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I don't under the point of medical pot at all.  

Why are the active ingredients simply not extracted and used in medications like everything else?  

Why can't the active ingredients be synthesized like most drugs?

The whole concept of medical pot seems like snake oil, given the state of the pharmaceutical industry.

Who in their right mind would want to suck smoke into their lungs?


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Who in their right mind doesn't know that everything you outlined has been done for years. I think the more important question is whether or not you prefer baked goods, gummy bears, or chocolate bars.
I wouldn't touch the stuff.
4/24/2017 12:18:01 PM EDT
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HealthDay News — Medical marijuana may carry infectious bacteria and fungi that can pose a life-threatening risk to cancer patients who use it to ease the side effects of chemotherapy, according to a study published online recently in Clinical Microbiology and Infection.

Researchers from the University of California at Davis became aware of this risk when a patient developed a rare and incurable fungal infection after using aerosolized marijuana – raw, blended marijuana inhaled as a mist. The patient ultimately died from a lung infection due to the fungus Mucor, according to his physician, Joseph Tuscano, MD, a professor of internal medicine in the Division of Hematology and Oncology at the university. The patient had been using medical marijuana while he was receiving chemotherapy and stem cell therapy for cancer.  

To test their concern, the researchers had DNA analysis conducted to identify the fungi and bacteria contained in the samples from medical marijuana dispensaries. Several different families of dangerous fungi were found in the medical marijuana, including Aspergillus, Cryptococcus, and Mucor. Bacteria found in the marijuana samples included Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Pseudomonas fluorescens, Pseudomonas putida, Acinetobacter baumannii, and Stenotrophomonas maltophilia.


http://www.empr.com/news/marijuana-bacteria-fungal-mucor-aerosolized-mist/article/638387/

A rare fungal infection has killed a California man undergoing cancer treatment and it’s believed he got it from medical marijuana, CBS Los Angeles reports.

The treatment left the man’s immune system compromised, but his death still surprised doctors because he was relatively young and his cancer was beatable. He was using medical marijuana to fend off the treatment’s effects. After his death, testing of 20 medical marijuana samples from across the state found the vast majority were contaminated with dangerous bacteria and fungi.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/contaminated-medical-marijuana-pot-believed-to-have-killed-cancer-patient/
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But how can a plant be dangerous?? Hurr durr is only dangerous to the snack isle of the grocery store. /s
4/24/2017 12:19:40 PM EDT
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On here from time to time I notice the complete lack of understanding about medical Marijuana...
I have a stepson who is a cancer survivor and has   Beckwith–Wiedemann syndrome..

My wife also has cancer..Diabetes and has suffered a stroke.

The radiation treatments for her cancer killed the bones in her hip led to a fracture which later became severely infected almost killing her.  

After several surgeries she is now in a wheelchair awaiting yet another one. And dealing with severe pain..

As part of her treatment many doctors suggested medical marijuana...

I remained skeptical...

I can say this to any naysayers out there the benifits have been tremendous...

The side affects almost nill

And I have yet to meet a single medical professional that has a negative thing to say about its use...

So there you have my experience
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Your anecdote is worthless. WORTHLESS. You obviously do not understand how science works, and how proper clinical trials are conducted.  Drugs are not approved by means of casual stories told by patients.  If they were, than the unorthodox cancer treatments like laetrile, a controversial alternative treatment made from apricot pits, would have been approved, because SOME patients CLAIMED that treatment did in fact help them.  Just because sincere people like yourself tell STORIES about marijuana, or pancreatic enzymes, massages, prayer sessions, psychotherapy, coffee enemas, injections of a cell preparations made from sheep and cattle fetuses, and laetrile, does not mean that that shit, or marijuana should be released into the general prescribing formulary just because laymen say so!!

The marijuana debate is fraught with emotionally laden controversy due to the fact that very many people want this drug that allows them to get high to become legalized.  Because Congress classified cannabis and THC (one of the active compounds in cannabis) as Schedule I drugs under the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, there has been only limited research because Schedule I drugs are defined by Congress as having no medicinal value.

Marijuana has not had to meet the rigorous standards required for other drugs prescribed by the medical community, so there is no standardization of the dose, and amounts of active ingredients vary. Marijuana contains approximately 66 active compounds with different properties, not all of which have been properly studied. No other drug would be allowed to be released for treatment with so many compounds and unknowns. As it is now, basically, patients smoke until they claim symptoms have eased. Meanwhile, burning marijuana produces toxins which can cause emphysema and lung cancer! 

OTOH, recreational users are the ones pushing the national reform of marijuana laws, while pushing the medical use of the drug ahead of themselves, like they're using patients as their human shields to quash debate on marijuana as a recreational drug for getting high as often as possible.  Interesting in these debates as how it is not mentioned that in the last 20 years that THC levels in marijuana have skyrocketed due to demand from recreational users while the cannabidiol (CBD) "medicinal" compounds have concurrently reduced.

What most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience.  A few people and the doctors that pander to their needs are touting the variety of therapeutic uses for pain management or control of seizure disorders, etc. These patients need to be prescribed tested, proven drugs from the FDA approved formulary until nonpsychoactive cannabidiol (CBD) has proved itself under the rigor of  the same drug trials demanded by any other therapeutic substance.

Meanwhile, there are smarter ways to deal with marijuana than wholesale legalization, which threatens to expose us to unknown risks from the individuals that get high and their effect on society.

 
4/24/2017 12:20:05 PM EDT
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... gonna be status quo until the citizens of the country get enough power to get it off the FEDERAL Schedule 1 classification
4/24/2017 12:21:15 PM EDT
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Don't opiates come from an innocent plant?
4/24/2017 12:21:57 PM EDT
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A lot of people have also never heard of Marinol, an actual medicinal version of MJ with scaleable dosages and substantially reduced side effects, such as getting high. Then again, the high part is what the med MJ peple WANT, isn't it?
4/24/2017 12:22:09 PM EDT
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But how can a plant be dangerous?? Hurr durr is only dangerous to the snack isle of the grocery store. /s
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And if it was a legal business that was regulated on a national level, that fungus would be tested for and removed if possible. Chances are, that is a isolated incident.

More people die from Opiods and complications from side effects if legal Pharma products.
4/24/2017 12:22:38 PM EDT
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Like many things... follow the money.

Why would drug companies lobby for a natural treatment for chemo symptoms, seizures, or even anxiety, if you can grow it in your back yard?
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Pot should be 100% legal.  Big Pharma wants folks to get hooked on opiates instead of use a natural fucking plant.  
Like many things... follow the money.

Why would drug companies lobby for a natural treatment for chemo symptoms, seizures, or even anxiety, if you can grow it in your back yard?
That still does not make sense.   They would make far more money than what they would lose.   Pleople could grow tobacco, but don't.    People who brew their own beer also buy beer, generally.
4/24/2017 12:22:39 PM EDT
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So would you say pharmaceutical drugs are safer?
In 2015 alone more than 15,000 people died from JUST prescription opioids. 183,000+ have died from prescription opioids in the past 15 years. In 2014 over 47,000 people died from pharmaceutical drugs. A lot of those are prescribed for pain relief, the same thing legal marijuana is perscribed and used for. A lot of those deaths are overdoses.

You CANNOT overdose on marijuana. Total number of overdose deaths from marijuana: ZERO
More people died from contaminated food from the supermarket than your examples of fungal tainted weed.
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How many of those deaths were from patients legally using those medications and following the directions of their doctor?  I bet it is much, much lower.
4/24/2017 12:23:15 PM EDT
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On here from time to time I notice the complete lack of understanding about medical Marijuana...
I have a stepson who is a cancer survivor and has   Beckwith–Wiedemann syndrome..

My wife also has cancer..Diabetes and has suffered a stroke.

The radiation treatments for her cancer killed the bones in her hip led to a fracture which later became severely infected almost killing her.  

After several surgeries she is now in a wheelchair awaiting yet another one. And dealing with severe pain..

As part of her treatment many doctors suggested medical marijuana...

I remained skeptical...

I can say this to any naysayers out there the benifits have been tremendous...

The side affects almost nill

And I have yet to meet a single medical professional that has a negative thing to say about its use...

So there you have my experience
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Medical marijuana for anything other than pain/upset stomach is quack medicine.
4/24/2017 12:24:44 PM EDT
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So would you say pharmaceutical drugs are safer?
In 2015 alone more than 15,000 people died from JUST prescription opioids. 183,000+ have died from prescription opioids in the past 15 years. In 2014 over 47,000 people died from pharmaceutical drugs. A lot of those are prescribed for pain relief, the same thing legal marijuana is perscribed and used for. A lot of those deaths are overdoses.

You CANNOT overdose on marijuana. Total number of overdose deaths from marijuana: ZERO
More people died from contaminated food from the supermarket than your examples of fungal tainted weed.
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How many of the above died of intentional or unintentional overdoses?  I can tell you the addiction and OD issues with Oxycontin is/were huge.  Of course you had "pain clinics" whose doctors helped push those meds as well.   Humans have a track record of doing things to a level that would be described as "excess".  Hell I've had OD's where multiple pain patches were found on the deceased.  It's pretty easy to follow the directions that are given with those patches.  Opioids will always have a high degree of risk associated with taking them.
4/24/2017 12:25:38 PM EDT
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How many of those deaths were from patients legally using those medications and following the directions of their doctor?  I bet it is much, much lower.
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And that matters why? Marijuana is so fucking safe compared to Oxycodone it's not even funny.

You drug warriors are just plain brainwashed. There's no other explanation.
4/24/2017 12:26:35 PM EDT
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If something seems too good to be true it probably is.  There is a lot of disinformation about MJ and the beneficial effects are highly exaggerated.  It is touted to be a cure for everything with zero side effects ever and I'm certain that all of you can understand that such claims are impossible.  There has, however, been some encouraging research in nausea and spastic conditions (CP for example, glaucoma for another).

I'm less for medical MJ as much for complete legalization that people can use to self medicate if they want.
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The only people bringing up the "cure for everything" bullshit are the antis.  Show one post where a supporter said it was a cure for everything.  It's used to treat symptoms, like 90% of the big phama's drugs.
4/24/2017 12:27:18 PM EDT
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A lot of people have also never heard of Marinol, an actual medicinal version of MJ with scaleable dosages and substantially reduced side effects, such as getting high. Then again, the high part is what the med MJ peple WANT, isn't it?
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The whole pro pot movement is 95% about getting high, 5% about helping people.  It's hilarious the mental gymnastics weed supporters will go through to try and deny this though.
4/24/2017 12:27:23 PM EDT
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But how can a plant be dangerous?? Hurr durr is only dangerous to the snack isle of the grocery store. /s
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Everything in life has risk associated with it.

Who should choose what risks you're allowed to take?   You or the government?
4/24/2017 12:27:38 PM EDT
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HealthDay News — Medical marijuana may carry infectious bacteria and fungi that can pose a life-threatening risk to cancer patients who use it to ease the side effects of chemotherapy, according to a study published online recently in Clinical Microbiology and Infection.

Researchers from the University of California at Davis became aware of this risk when a patient developed a rare and incurable fungal infection after using aerosolized marijuana – raw, blended marijuana inhaled as a mist. The patient ultimately died from a lung infection due to the fungus Mucor, according to his physician, Joseph Tuscano, MD, a professor of internal medicine in the Division of Hematology and Oncology at the university. The patient had been using medical marijuana while he was receiving chemotherapy and stem cell therapy for cancer.  

To test their concern, the researchers had DNA analysis conducted to identify the fungi and bacteria contained in the samples from medical marijuana dispensaries. Several different families of dangerous fungi were found in the medical marijuana, including Aspergillus, Cryptococcus, and Mucor. Bacteria found in the marijuana samples included Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Pseudomonas fluorescens, Pseudomonas putida, Acinetobacter baumannii, and Stenotrophomonas maltophilia.


http://www.empr.com/news/marijuana-bacteria-fungal-mucor-aerosolized-mist/article/638387/

A rare fungal infection has killed a California man undergoing cancer treatment and it’s believed he got it from medical marijuana, CBS Los Angeles reports.

The treatment left the man’s immune system compromised, but his death still surprised doctors because he was relatively young and his cancer was beatable. He was using medical marijuana to fend off the treatment’s effects. After his death, testing of 20 medical marijuana samples from across the state found the vast majority were contaminated with dangerous bacteria and fungi.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/contaminated-medical-marijuana-pot-believed-to-have-killed-cancer-patient/
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How the fuck is someone gambling their life on it lol? Its impossible to OD on marijuana.  
Questionable origins? Its a fucking plant that grows out of the ground that various cultures around the globe have been using for thousands of years.
Laced with something ? There is ZERO problems with this in the legal states with dispensaries.
HealthDay News — Medical marijuana may carry infectious bacteria and fungi that can pose a life-threatening risk to cancer patients who use it to ease the side effects of chemotherapy, according to a study published online recently in Clinical Microbiology and Infection.

Researchers from the University of California at Davis became aware of this risk when a patient developed a rare and incurable fungal infection after using aerosolized marijuana – raw, blended marijuana inhaled as a mist. The patient ultimately died from a lung infection due to the fungus Mucor, according to his physician, Joseph Tuscano, MD, a professor of internal medicine in the Division of Hematology and Oncology at the university. The patient had been using medical marijuana while he was receiving chemotherapy and stem cell therapy for cancer.  

To test their concern, the researchers had DNA analysis conducted to identify the fungi and bacteria contained in the samples from medical marijuana dispensaries. Several different families of dangerous fungi were found in the medical marijuana, including Aspergillus, Cryptococcus, and Mucor. Bacteria found in the marijuana samples included Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Pseudomonas fluorescens, Pseudomonas putida, Acinetobacter baumannii, and Stenotrophomonas maltophilia.


http://www.empr.com/news/marijuana-bacteria-fungal-mucor-aerosolized-mist/article/638387/

A rare fungal infection has killed a California man undergoing cancer treatment and it’s believed he got it from medical marijuana, CBS Los Angeles reports.

The treatment left the man’s immune system compromised, but his death still surprised doctors because he was relatively young and his cancer was beatable. He was using medical marijuana to fend off the treatment’s effects. After his death, testing of 20 medical marijuana samples from across the state found the vast majority were contaminated with dangerous bacteria and fungi.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/contaminated-medical-marijuana-pot-believed-to-have-killed-cancer-patient/
If you read the study that article cites, A microbiome assessment of medical marijuana. It is only an issue if it is smoked or vaporized,  so people with immune disorders could use edibles without any of those dangers.

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The legalization of medical marijuana has been followed by a shift in both patient and physician attitudes with 76% of physicians in favour of marijuana usage for medicinal purposes in a recent survey
4/24/2017 12:29:08 PM EDT
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There are many legitimate drugs produced by reputable pharmaceutical companies to help people with pain and appetite.  I'm glad pot helped your relatives in this instance but pot isn't some magical cure all plant.  You should rely on actual tried and true medications and not some drug grown out of some hippies basement.
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I agree.  The pharmaceutical industry should be heavily researching marjuana and making money from it.
4/24/2017 12:29:12 PM EDT
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Your anecdote is worthless. WORTHLESS. You obviously do not understand how science works, and how proper clinical trials are conducted.  Drugs are not approved by means of casual stories told by patients.  If they were, than the unorthodox cancer treatments like laetrile, a controversial alternative treatment made from apricot pits, would have been approved, because SOME patients CLAIMED that treatment did in fact help them.  Just because sincere people like yourself tell STORIES about marijuana, or pancreatic enzymes, massages, prayer sessions, psychotherapy, coffee enemas, injections of a cell preparations made from sheep and cattle fetuses, and laetrile, does not mean that that shit, or marijuana should be released into the general prescribing formulary just because laymen say so!!

The marijuana debate is fraught with emotionally laden controversy due to the fact that very many people want this drug that allows them to get high to become legalized.  Because Congress classified cannabis and THC (one of the active compounds in cannabis) as Schedule I drugs under the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, there has been only limited research because Schedule I drugs are defined by Congress as having no medicinal value.

Marijuana has not had to meet the rigorous standards required for other drugs prescribed by the medical community, so there is no standardization of the dose, and amounts of active ingredients vary. Marijuana contains approximately 66 active compounds with different properties, not all of which have been properly studied. No other drug would be allowed to be released for treatment with so many compounds and unknowns. As it is now, basically, patients smoke until they claim symptoms have eased. Meanwhile, burning marijuana produces toxins which can cause emphysema and lung cancer! 

OTOH, recreational users are the ones pushing the national reform of marijuana laws, while pushing the medical use of the drug ahead of themselves, like they're using patients as their human shields to quash debate on marijuana as a recreational drug for getting high as often as possible.  Interesting in these debates as how it is not mentioned that in the last 20 years that THC levels in marijuana have skyrocketed due to demand from recreational users while the cannabidiol (CBD) "medicinal" compounds have concurrently reduced.

What most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience.  A few people and the doctors that pander to their needs are touting the variety of therapeutic uses for pain management or control of seizure disorders, etc. These patients need to be prescribed tested, proven drugs from the FDA approved formulary until nonpsychoactive cannabidiol (CBD) has proved itself under the rigor of  the same drug trials demanded by any other therapeutic substance.

Meanwhile, there are smarter ways to deal with marijuana than wholesale legalization, which threatens to expose us to unknown risks from the individuals that get high and their effect on society.

 
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On here from time to time I notice the complete lack of understanding about medical Marijuana...
I have a stepson who is a cancer survivor and has   Beckwith–Wiedemann syndrome..

My wife also has cancer..Diabetes and has suffered a stroke.

The radiation treatments for her cancer killed the bones in her hip led to a fracture which later became severely infected almost killing her.  

After several surgeries she is now in a wheelchair awaiting yet another one. And dealing with severe pain..

As part of her treatment many doctors suggested medical marijuana...

I remained skeptical...

I can say this to any naysayers out there the benifits have been tremendous...

The side affects almost nill

And I have yet to meet a single medical professional that has a negative thing to say about its use...

So there you have my experience


Your anecdote is worthless. WORTHLESS. You obviously do not understand how science works, and how proper clinical trials are conducted.  Drugs are not approved by means of casual stories told by patients.  If they were, than the unorthodox cancer treatments like laetrile, a controversial alternative treatment made from apricot pits, would have been approved, because SOME patients CLAIMED that treatment did in fact help them.  Just because sincere people like yourself tell STORIES about marijuana, or pancreatic enzymes, massages, prayer sessions, psychotherapy, coffee enemas, injections of a cell preparations made from sheep and cattle fetuses, and laetrile, does not mean that that shit, or marijuana should be released into the general prescribing formulary just because laymen say so!!

The marijuana debate is fraught with emotionally laden controversy due to the fact that very many people want this drug that allows them to get high to become legalized.  Because Congress classified cannabis and THC (one of the active compounds in cannabis) as Schedule I drugs under the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, there has been only limited research because Schedule I drugs are defined by Congress as having no medicinal value.

Marijuana has not had to meet the rigorous standards required for other drugs prescribed by the medical community, so there is no standardization of the dose, and amounts of active ingredients vary. Marijuana contains approximately 66 active compounds with different properties, not all of which have been properly studied. No other drug would be allowed to be released for treatment with so many compounds and unknowns. As it is now, basically, patients smoke until they claim symptoms have eased. Meanwhile, burning marijuana produces toxins which can cause emphysema and lung cancer! 

OTOH, recreational users are the ones pushing the national reform of marijuana laws, while pushing the medical use of the drug ahead of themselves, like they're using patients as their human shields to quash debate on marijuana as a recreational drug for getting high as often as possible.  Interesting in these debates as how it is not mentioned that in the last 20 years that THC levels in marijuana have skyrocketed due to demand from recreational users while the cannabidiol (CBD) "medicinal" compounds have concurrently reduced.

What most people want from cannabis, is a smoke from a plant that provides a mind-altering experience.  A few people and the doctors that pander to their needs are touting the variety of therapeutic uses for pain management or control of seizure disorders, etc. These patients need to be prescribed tested, proven drugs from the FDA approved formulary until nonpsychoactive cannabidiol (CBD) has proved itself under the rigor of  the same drug trials demanded by any other therapeutic substance.

Meanwhile, there are smarter ways to deal with marijuana than wholesale legalization, which threatens to expose us to unknown risks from the individuals that get high and their effect on society.

 
So in regard to your last paragraph....

How is it an unknown?  For 100s of years people have used it, and for years now have used in states that allow it.  Are you telling me the results are unknown?  Or that the WoD believers want it to remain unknown?  Or that there was such a slight difference in society that it appears unknown?

Also, what right do you, or anyone, have to deny a free citizen the ability to ingest something that had no affect of your life?  This question is asked in the spirit of "if it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my arm....".  Please at least answer this question because I am sincerely curious.  

FWIW, I don't smoke marijuana or anything for that matter.  Maybe a cigar once every few years.
4/24/2017 12:29:17 PM EDT
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The whole pro pot movement is 95% about getting high, 5% about helping people.  It's hilarious the mental gymnastics weed supporters will go through to try and deny this though.
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The whole pro booze movement is 100% about getting loaded, and 0% about helping people. It's hilarious the mental gymnastics the booze supporters will go through to try and deny this though.
4/24/2017 12:29:38 PM EDT
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A lot of people have also never heard of Marinol, an actual medicinal version of MJ with scaleable dosages and substantially reduced side effects, such as getting high. Then again, the high part is what the med MJ peple WANT, isn't it?
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That is a synthetic version of THC...and we know how many side effects are present in modern Pharma products. They have been hit in court many times, but no worries on their part as they get hit with a billion dollar fine, but made five billion off the drug. Big Pharma only cares about $$$$ and only $$$$.

CBD tones down the psychotropic effects of THC. As a test, my wife went to CO and tried a 1:1 CBD/THC liquid suspension for her constant Migraines and Nerve issues in her neck as she does not want to down Opiods every time. She took 9ml of the suspension and it brought her pain level down to the point it was a slight annoyance....with ZERO psychotropic effects.
4/24/2017 12:29:51 PM EDT
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A lot of people have also never heard of Marinol, an actual medicinal version of MJ with scaleable dosages and substantially reduced side effects, such as getting high. Then again, the high part is what the med MJ peple WANT, isn't it?
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Medical marijuana spurs "clinics" like the previous pill addicts flocked to "pain clinics" before the feds and states cracked down on them.   Sorry, but when you have several local OD's related to script's signed by doctors at clinics 200 miles away, it's not a pain issue, it's an abuse issue.
4/24/2017 12:29:56 PM EDT
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I am not against it. However, I do work in the criminal courts system in a quasi LEO profession.

I do see a lot of "We president now" arrest on it here when it becomes commonplace for medicinal use.  

We signed it in to law last week and it supposedly wont be up and running until 2019.  

IT is only approved in oil and gel form and maybe one other.  

No smokable bud.  

Will be interesting to watch what comes of it.
4/24/2017 12:30:50 PM EDT
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weed is good period.
4/24/2017 12:30:52 PM EDT
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It should be legal regardless of benefits or detriments to the user simply because it isn't the proper role of government to tell people what they can and can't eat, smoke, or drink.
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Nevertheless, the government does regulate and tax all of these things.


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4/24/2017 12:31:16 PM EDT
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My friend suffers from Crohns and looked like an Auschwitz survivor until he started taking cannibis oil. Now he's a personal trainer and strong.
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Miracle drug.
4/24/2017 12:31:34 PM EDT
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A lot of people have also never heard of Marinol, an actual medicinal version of MJ with scaleable dosages and substantially reduced side effects, such as getting high. Then again, the high part is what the med MJ peple WANT, isn't it?
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Syndros, too.  Now you have two options.
4/24/2017 12:31:56 PM EDT
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I find it interesting that there seems to be no groundswell
from the pro marijuana community to pressure the government
to allow more studies of its medicinal uses  (if any).

Pro medicinal marijuana people seem to only want it legalized
so they can smoke it for any and all self diagnosed "conditions".

Enormous abount of hypocracy on both sides of the issue.
4/24/2017 12:32:56 PM EDT
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If you read the study that article cites, A microbiome assessment of medical marijuana. It is only an issue if it is smoked or vaporized,  so people with immune disorders could use edibles without any of those dangers.

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How the fuck is someone gambling their life on it lol? Its impossible to OD on marijuana.  
Questionable origins? Its a fucking plant that grows out of the ground that various cultures around the globe have been using for thousands of years.
Laced with something ? There is ZERO problems with this in the legal states with dispensaries.
HealthDay News — Medical marijuana may carry infectious bacteria and fungi that can pose a life-threatening risk to cancer patients who use it to ease the side effects of chemotherapy, according to a study published online recently in Clinical Microbiology and Infection.

Researchers from the University of California at Davis became aware of this risk when a patient developed a rare and incurable fungal infection after using aerosolized marijuana – raw, blended marijuana inhaled as a mist. The patient ultimately died from a lung infection due to the fungus Mucor, according to his physician, Joseph Tuscano, MD, a professor of internal medicine in the Division of Hematology and Oncology at the university. The patient had been using medical marijuana while he was receiving chemotherapy and stem cell therapy for cancer.  

To test their concern, the researchers had DNA analysis conducted to identify the fungi and bacteria contained in the samples from medical marijuana dispensaries. Several different families of dangerous fungi were found in the medical marijuana, including Aspergillus, Cryptococcus, and Mucor. Bacteria found in the marijuana samples included Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Pseudomonas fluorescens, Pseudomonas putida, Acinetobacter baumannii, and Stenotrophomonas maltophilia.


http://www.empr.com/news/marijuana-bacteria-fungal-mucor-aerosolized-mist/article/638387/

A rare fungal infection has killed a California man undergoing cancer treatment and it’s believed he got it from medical marijuana, CBS Los Angeles reports.

The treatment left the man’s immune system compromised, but his death still surprised doctors because he was relatively young and his cancer was beatable. He was using medical marijuana to fend off the treatment’s effects. After his death, testing of 20 medical marijuana samples from across the state found the vast majority were contaminated with dangerous bacteria and fungi.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/contaminated-medical-marijuana-pot-believed-to-have-killed-cancer-patient/
If you read the study that article cites, A microbiome assessment of medical marijuana. It is only an issue if it is smoked or vaporized,  so people with immune disorders could use edibles without any of those dangers.

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The legalization of medical marijuana has been followed by a shift in both patient and physician attitudes with 76% of physicians in favour of marijuana usage for medicinal purposes in a recent survey
You also don't get the same type of high with edibles.
4/24/2017 12:32:56 PM EDT
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Medical marijuana for anything other than pain/upset stomach is quack medicine.
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Mention chiropractor in GD and you will be relentlessly attacked by people saying that it is nothing but quack medicine, yet many of these same people will defend the magical Mary Jane plant to the death.  I bet if you could get high from spinal manipulations GD would support chiropractors too.
4/24/2017 12:33:24 PM EDT
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Lol.
You really should change your avatar.

Big pharmy FTW.  Synthetic drugs and food for all, fuck nature and natural medicines.
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There are many legitimate drugs produced by reputable pharmaceutical companies to help people with pain and appetite.  I'm glad pot helped your relatives in this instance but pot isn't some magical cure all plant.  You should rely on actual tried and true medications and not some drug grown out of some hippies basement.
Lol.
You really should change your avatar.

Big pharmy FTW.  Synthetic drugs and food for all, fuck nature and natural medicines.
Fuck nature and its impurities.   Clean that shit up... whenever possible.
4/24/2017 12:33:29 PM EDT
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"medical" Marijuana..

I wish people were just honest with their argument for legalization. I would respect that argument that much more.

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I don't see why it can't be researched but i don't want to see people get high off of it.  If they can remove the mind altering properties from it and create a medication that can make it thru a double blind placebo study then it gets my approval.
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Your reliance on SCIENCE belies the fact that the SCIENCE around Cannabis is very cloudy due to its prohibition. If you believe in SCIENCE, you should believe that it should be rescheduled, and thoroughly researched.
I don't see why it can't be researched but i don't want to see people get high off of it.  If they can remove the mind altering properties from it and create a medication that can make it thru a double blind placebo study then it gets my approval.
Do you drink alcohol, coffee, or caffeinated sodas?
4/24/2017 12:34:33 PM EDT
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Just keep poking at him and he will wake up to come in this thread.  


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OMG that's cute as hell and I just saved it. No homo
4/24/2017 12:34:37 PM EDT
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I actually think you made it.

The simple fact is, Cannabis has been Schedule I for the entire modern scientific era. The government has purposefully disallowed all medical research into the compounds in Cannabis. So we don't have a lot of scientific basis for its efficacy for any particular purpose. But there sure as shit is a ton of anecdotal data.
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Thanks goes way back to the Rockefeller family.
4/24/2017 12:35:05 PM EDT
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using weed is immoral?...what are your positions on tobacco? or Alcohol?
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@Jmo371 he is being sarcastic....
4/24/2017 12:35:21 PM EDT
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Weed will eventually be completely legal here.

All the old idiots standing in the way have to die first.

In the meantime, the left will continue to use it on the ballet to the benefit.
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Just give us another 30-40 years.   We'll be gone.  

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4/24/2017 12:35:22 PM EDT
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Miracle drug.
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Not really, but it does have a great potential to be a useful medication that is much safer than Opiods and other drugs. Save the Opiods for the moments when they are needed-badly injured people who need the mind numbing pain stopped NOW.
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I don't understand the point of medical pot at all.  

Why are the active ingredients simply not extracted and used in medications like everything else?  

Why can't the active ingredients be synthesized like most drugs?

The whole concept of medical pot seems like snake oil, given the state of the pharmaceutical industry.

Who in their right mind would want to suck smoke into their lungs?


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Jesus, you've been under that rock a long time, huh?
4/24/2017 12:35:33 PM EDT
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I find it interesting that there seems to be no groundswell
from the pro marijuana community to pressure the government
to allow more studies of its medicinal uses  (if any).

Pro medicinal marijuana people seem to only want it legalized
so they can smoke it for any and all self diagnosed "conditions".

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Is there a large amount of support in the firearms community for only allowing new machines guns added to the registry and not wanting to do away with the Hughes Amendment?  Or do most want the government out of the way totally that want any change at all?
4/24/2017 12:35:43 PM EDT
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Medical marijuana spurs "clinics" like the previous pill addicts flocked to "pain clinics" before the feds and states cracked down on them.   Sorry, but when you have several local OD's related to script's signed by doctors at clinics 200 miles away, it's not a pain issue, it's an abuse issue.
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Where are you going with this exactly?

Should we shutdown grocery stores for people abusing them and becoming obese?
4/24/2017 12:37:20 PM EDT
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Or better, does he have scrips for SSRIs? Benzos? Oxys? Lortabs?
4/24/2017 12:37:54 PM EDT
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Mention chiropractor in GD and you will be relentlessly attacked by people saying that it is nothing but quack medicine, yet many of these same people will defend the magical Mary Jane plant to the death.  I bet if you could get high from spinal manipulations GD would support chiropractors too.
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Medical marijuana for anything other than pain/upset stomach is quack medicine.
Mention chiropractor in GD and you will be relentlessly attacked by people saying that it is nothing but quack medicine, yet many of these same people will defend the magical Mary Jane plant to the death.  I bet if you could get high from spinal manipulations GD would support chiropractors too.
You do realize that many of us who support complete legalization don't use right?  Or are you one of those morons that thinks anyone for decriminalization is just a hippy pothead?  Actually, I think I already know the answer to that question.  Freedom be scary and the federal government knows best.
4/24/2017 12:38:25 PM EDT
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it pretty much only can increase appetite. that's about it.

weed has no other real medical purpose.

if your wife and family find it helpful i'm glad for them, and i'm all for legalizing it, but it really has no medical purpose.
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That is for the medical professionals to decide.  I just know thru common sense that gambling with your life by relying on an illegal drug produced from questionable origins is probably not a good idea.  What if it was laced with something dangerous?
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Which legitimate drugs from which reputable pharmaceutical companies would you recommend for OP?
That is for the medical professionals to decide.  I just know thru common sense that gambling with your life by relying on an illegal drug produced from questionable origins is probably not a good idea.  What if it was laced with something dangerous?
I don't want it simply legalized and unregulated.     Let the FDA and ATF have at it.

From the medical side, treat it like opioids.   Other than that,  treat it like tobacco and alcohol.


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4/24/2017 12:39:07 PM EDT
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No it didn't fix it, he can now eat and is healthy now. He tried everything and pot was his last resort.
4/24/2017 12:39:25 PM EDT
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it pretty much only can increase appetite. that's about it.

weed has no other real medical purpose.

if your wife and family find it helpful i'm glad for them, and i'm all for legalizing it, but it really has no medical purpose.
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And you base this opinion on what exactly?
4/24/2017 12:39:40 PM EDT
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You do realize that many of us who support complete legalization don't use right?  Or are you one of those morons that thinks anyone for decriminalization is just a hippy pothead?  Actually, I think I already know the answer to that question.  Freedom be scary and the federal government knows best.
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Medical marijuana for anything other than pain/upset stomach is quack medicine.
Mention chiropractor in GD and you will be relentlessly attacked by people saying that it is nothing but quack medicine, yet many of these same people will defend the magical Mary Jane plant to the death.  I bet if you could get high from spinal manipulations GD would support chiropractors too.
You do realize that many of us who support complete legalization don't use right?  Or are you one of those morons that thinks anyone for decriminalization is just a hippy pothead?  Actually, I think I already know the answer to that question.  Freedom be scary and the federal government knows best.
I'm guessing his avatar with the joke Gadsden flag is sarcastic. Sounds like a statist of the highest order. Not actually interested in DTOM.
4/24/2017 12:40:17 PM EDT
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You do realize that many of us who support complete legalization don't use right?  Or are you one of those morons that thinks anyone for decriminalization is just a hippy pothead?  Actually, I think I already know the answer to that question.  Freedom be scary and the federal government knows best.
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Would you start using it if it became legal and no longer could get you fired if you took a drug test?

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