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Posted: 7/7/2023 1:45:39 PM EDT
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Which way does the ratchet/wrench swing? Therein lies your answer. Assuming you're looking straight at the bolt/nut.
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Posted: 7/7/2023 1:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what? if you look a clock the hands move to the right not the left. If the hands are on the six, they move towards the left to get to 7. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 1:49:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/7/2023 1:51:09 PM EDT
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It's always relative to the top as you are facing the bolt/nut you are manipulating. Once you do it a hundred times (within a reasonable amount of time...not once a year for 100 years), and say it to yourself, you should be able to see it. Ya know, it takes doing something 21 days (in a row, I think) to create a habit.
And if yur rill smurt, u cud evun cee hit buckword. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 1:55:19 PM EDT
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Quote Historybut what if you're left handed? |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 1:56:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just wait until you run across a vehicle that has left-handed lug nuts, but only on the left side of the vehicle.  I about gave myself a hernia trying to get the lug nuts off the drivers side wheel on my M35A2. I learned the next day that they went the other way.
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Posted: 7/7/2023 2:02:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: I knew my left from right - that was not the problem. I remember my dad telling me that while teaching me to do an oil filter or something when I was single digit in years. The top is turning one way (left), and the bottom the opposite (right)! It sounded simple, so I was afraid to question it. Clockwise and counterclockwise would have made more sense to me. Dang near gave me a complex. And delayed my understanding of it for years  CSB I am 100% with you OP. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 2:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, it makes no sense, there is no left or right on a circle. But there is leftward rotation and rightward rotation. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 2:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait until you run across a vehicle that has left-handed lug nuts, but only on the left side of the vehicle. And whatever you do, don't ever attempt to change out the pedals on a bicycle. 
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Posted: 7/7/2023 2:13:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But there is leftward rotation and rightward rotation. both at the same time |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 2:22:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would never have occurred to me as an explanation, but it makes sense. I have gotten in trouble with this before. Okay, but what about those little wireless mice with the power switch - but it's not labeled on or off outside the switch, it's labeled on or off on the sliding part of the switch. You slide the switch to the right, and it displays a green 'ON' in the newly exposed part of the switch slider. You slide it the left, and it displays a red 'OFF'. (Edited to match the image). Which direction is on, and which off? https://www.lifewire.com/thmb/2CM0IMCJhn80VnPchKZj0fBFrUY=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/002_pair-with-logitech-mouse-5184314-8df193eb4d24464cb5d12a260d752be4.jpg Mine slides up and down. FUCK!! |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 2:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But there is leftward rotation and rightward rotation. Only if you have a specific point of reference, which righty tighty does not. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 2:34:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do any still do that? Can't remember what car I had that was like that. 72 charger ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just wait until you run across a vehicle that has left-handed lug nuts, but only on the left side of the vehicle. Do any still do that? Can't remember what car I had that was like that. 72 charger ? My '68 Coronet was like that. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 5:04:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, it makes no sense, there is no left or right on a circle. Dat chirality tho… |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 5:07:00 PM EDT
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I’ll just add that it was explaining to me as “righty tightly, lefty loosely”, not the other way around
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Posted: 7/7/2023 5:07:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, it makes no sense, there is no left or right on a circle. They neglect to add "from 12 o'clock". |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 5:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is best rule. It helped my boy who's dyslexic. When you're upside down and backwards, under a car and working on the back side of something toward you, this is a useful tool. You really want to get messed with? Start cutting right hand threads on a lathe with your tool upside down so you can go backwards. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 6:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am left handed. Perhaps that compounded the issue? Of course it does. I’m a lefty and human anatomical position still fucks me up.
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Posted: 7/7/2023 6:35:11 PM EDT
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Lefty tighty, righty loosey NYC hydrant
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Posted: 7/7/2023 6:42:06 PM EDT
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Try explaining NESW to someone who only knows left and right. You can’t make them understand those people are the ones who drive off the cliff because GPS told them to.
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Posted: 7/7/2023 6:45:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try explaining NESW to someone who only knows left and right. You can’t make them understand those people are the ones who drive off the cliff because GPS told them to. Which mnemonic device do you use? Never Eat Shredded Wheat? Never Eat Sour Watermelon? Never Eat Soggy Waffles?
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try explaining NESW to someone who only knows left and right. You can’t make them understand those people are the ones who drive off the cliff because GPS told them to. It’s NSEW. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s NSEW. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try explaining NESW to someone who only knows left and right. You can’t make them understand those people are the ones who drive off the cliff because GPS told them to. It’s NSEW. NESW.... Clockwise |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:17:47 PM EDT
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Looking at the bolt head, imagine that it's a wheel.
If you're tightening the bolt, the wheel would travel right. If you're loosening it, the wheel would travel left. If it's reverse-threaded, then it sucks and I hate it. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:20:02 PM EDT
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Gas wrench don't pay no mind, either way.
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:49:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gas wrench don't pay no mind, either way. It can't be tight if it's a liquid, right?
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking at the bolt head, imagine that it's a wheel. If you're tightening the bolt, the wheel would travel right. If you're loosening it, the wheel would travel left. If it's reverse-threaded, then it sucks and I hate it. You dont really have to explain it, we get it now. Its when we were 3. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:56:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm with you OP. The whole paradigm falls apart when wrenching from the bottom. It's a rotational action, clockwise or anticlockwise would be best. This |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:59:16 PM EDT
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Grown millwrightsI I work with have a hard time with it too don't put them on a flange with bolts running different ways either
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Posted: 7/7/2023 9:19:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You dont really have to explain it, we get it now. Its when we were 3. 
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Posted: 7/8/2023 12:26:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try explaining NESW to someone who only knows left and right. You can’t make them understand those people are the ones who drive off the cliff because GPS told them to. Tell 'em cowboys always ride off into the sunset in the wild WEST (approximately). Sunset = WEST. The rest follows from there. Sunrise = EAST. North = Right (facing West) South = left (facing West) |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 12:34:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: but what if you're left handed? Quote HistoryQuoted: but what if you're left handed? Right hand rule, not dominant hand rule. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 1:37:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/8/2023 2:43:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking at the bolt head, imagine that it's a wheel. If you're tightening the bolt, the wheel would travel right. If you're loosening it, the wheel would travel left. You assume a frame of reference that starts at top dead center. That frame of reference is not standard. You could be starting from a wrench applied below (6 o'clock) in which case left movement tightens, or you could be viewing the fastener from behind (mirror image) which again defies the lefty loosie - righty tighty mantra. Righty tighty is simple minded; people with a higher intellectual grasp understand why it is wrong. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 3:04:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. You assume a frame of reference that starts at top dead center. That frame of reference is not standard. You could be starting from a wrench applied below (6 o'clock) in which case left movement tightens, or you could be viewing the fastener from behind (mirror image) which again defies the lefty loosie - righty tighty mantra. Righty tighty is simple minded; people with a higher intellectual grasp understand why it is wrong. You bring up a good point about spacial recognition. I'm able to imagine something and rotate it in my mind as if it were a 3d model, but apparently not everyone is capable of that. I wonder how many people are out there where this doesn't come naturally for them? |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 7:27:09 PM EDT
[#36]
What about pressfit
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Posted: 7/8/2023 10:58:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Driver's side is left side unless you're a Brit or live in one of the other places that don't drive on the correct side of the road. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Left looking at the front or the back? We should have port and starboard for cars too. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 11:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You bring up a good point about spacial recognition. I'm able to imagine something and rotate it in my mind as if it were a 3d model, but apparently not everyone is capable of that. I wonder how many people are out there where this doesn't come naturally for them? Sooooooooooooooo many people |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 11:14:15 PM EDT
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You sound dense.
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Posted: 7/8/2023 11:22:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. You assume a frame of reference that starts at top dead center. That frame of reference is not standard. You could be starting from a wrench applied below (6 o'clock) in which case left movement tightens, or you could be viewing the fastener from behind (mirror image) which again defies the lefty loosie - righty tighty mantra. Righty tighty is simple minded; people with a higher intellectual grasp understand why it is wrong. @14point5 Have you heard of the dunning-kruger effect? |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 11:31:01 PM EDT
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Those of you saying it’s a circle motion you can’t go left or right….
You’re the degenerate drivers that fuck up at the roundabouts. |
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