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Posted: 6/17/2009 6:23:56 AM EST
http://www.nasiriyah.org/ar/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13026

No doubt Eric Holder will hold a press conference and scream to the media how this was all bought in American gun shops and shipped to Iraq.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:24:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 6:28:20 AM EST by Power2thePeople]
Shaped charges?

ETA: Thank's for linking me to like a terrorist website.............
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:25:35 AM EST
Wow, I wish my weapon cache was this extensive.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:26:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 6:41:31 AM EST by Chris_C]
Close the gun show loophole!




ETA: I was looking for the up and down scroll bar...they moved it to the left of the screen

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:27:42 AM EST
Is it the WMD:s?
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:27:43 AM EST
Those copper EFP disks look like they were professionally machined.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:27:54 AM EST
Where's the beef jerky!
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:28:17 AM EST
wow
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:28:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By Drakich:
Those copper EFP disks look like they were professionally machined.


I remember hearing a news story from over a year ago that Iran was manufacturing them.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:29:43 AM EST
So what brand are those subwoofers?
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:29:59 AM EST
those iraqis are big into the large patches
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:31:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Drakich:
Those copper EFP disks look like they were professionally machined.


In Iran, no doubt.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:32:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ghetto:
So what brand are those subwoofers?


Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:33:32 AM EST
I'll take the AR if they are just going to throw it away...
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:35:29 AM EST
Yea, I'm sure Holder will get right on that.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:36:32 AM EST
What's with the English writing on the rockets? The one is dated 2006. Is that captured U.S. Ordnance?
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:37:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Drakich:
Those copper EFP disks look like they were professionally machined.


In Iran, no doubt.

My thoughts exactly.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:37:29 AM EST
Can I get some info about the copper discs? I assume they go on top of some HE and make for a nasty afternoon?

Wish I owned an RPG.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:40:23 AM EST
I see a lot of new manufacturing dates. 2006 for example.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:41:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I'll take the AR if they are just going to throw it away...

you can have it I want the dragunov.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:41:25 AM EST
What are the cone shaped things,shaped charges?
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:41:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Power2thePeople:
Shaped charges?

ETA: Thank's for linking me to like a terrorist website.............


I think that's what the big cones are...well those are the metal penetrators.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:42:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ghetto:
So what brand are those subwoofers?


Bazooka
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:42:45 AM EST
ppffffttt amateurs...I have more AK mags than that! I'll take the SVD and the PKM if nobody wants them
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:46:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:49:08 AM EST
CNN: "More than 95% of the traces showed they came from gun shops and shows in the US"
12 pages later "...two of the weapons were traced..."
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:49:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By ColonelAngus556:
What are the cone shaped things,shaped charges?


Those are the liners, you would pack the explosive into a bucket or something and put the liner in on top of it.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:52:07 AM EST
My platoon found larger caches several times. This one is big, though.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:54:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ghetto:
So what brand are those subwoofers?


I don't know but they sure sound boomy.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:57:09 AM EST
Tag.

Interested to know where they are getting US made stuff.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 6:59:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tacberry:
What's with the English writing on the rockets? The one is dated 2006. Is that captured U.S. Ordnance?


Nope. You'll note that one of the 122mm rockets had a lot number starting with 2007, but I wasn't able to see markings indicating which country manufactured it, although Iran is of course a prime suspect.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:00:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheNamelessOne:

Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I'll take the AR if they are just going to throw it away...

you can have it I want the dragunov.



Screw you guys Im taking the copper!

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:04:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 7:05:32 AM EST by chrism101]
Originally Posted By Alien:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Drakich:
Those copper EFP disks look like they were professionally machined.


In Iran, no doubt.

My thoughts exactly.


I hear there is a shop in Iran that does awesome machine work its called LaRan's and they sell Camel Dust which is great on everything but Pork Chops.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:08:23 AM EST
old news
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:12:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:
http://www.nasiriyah.org/ar/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13026

No doubt Eric Holder will hold a pressconference and scream to the media how this was all bought in American gun shops and shipped to Iraq.


(c) 2003 on the web page.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:12:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tacberry:
What's with the English writing on the rockets? The one is dated 2006. Is that captured U.S. Ordnance?


English is the common language in munitions. Even Russian police will have vests that say POLICE on them. The country of origin is trying to hide where they are coming from.

More importantly is the source of the 2006 round.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:14:02 AM EST
Starving the jihadis is one sure way to win.It looks like at least half their wok supply has been captured.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:14:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By Danner130:
Originally Posted By osprey21:
http://www.nasiriyah.org/ar/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13026

No doubt Eric Holder will hold a pressconference and scream to the media how this was all bought in American gun shops and shipped to Iraq.


(c) 2003 on the web page.


Story date is from 06/13/09
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:15:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 7:17:18 AM EST by chrism101]


So are the Guys in blue camo Iraqi navy or what?

Where the hell do they get those ugly ass Awesome Uniforms Cheaper than Dirt?


-Yes Cheaper than Dirt carries a variety of uniforms that are supplied to the Iraqi Armed Forces at reasonable prices ~CTD
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:18:40 AM EST
Yep... those EFPs certainly look professionally-made
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:23:01 AM EST
THE EMPs are professionally made

This is a largeer cache but not the biggest taken

It is interesting the small number of small arms, while the number of explosives was heavy, lots of RPGs, it shows the adaptations made by the cells

God bless the guys over thier and get the rest soon
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:27:14 AM EST
Glad to see some more EFPs are out of circulation. Those things are the worst thing you can possibly run into over here. They had one that hit an MRAP a while back that was detonated 150 yards away from the target and penetrated both sides of the truck, it missed the crew thank god. Here's some reading.


Shaped Charge
Explosively Formed Projectile (EFP)
Explosive-Formed Penetrating (EFP) Warhead
Explosively Formed Penetrator (EFP) Warhead
Explosively Forged Penetrator (EFP) Warhead
A shaped charge is a concave metal hemisphere or cone (known as a liner) backed by a high explosive, all in a steel or aluminum casing. When the high explosive is detonated, the metal liner is compressed and squeezed forward, forming a jet whose tip may travel as fast as 10 kilometers per second.

Conventional shaped charges are constructed with a charge case, a hollow conical liner within the case, and a high explosive material positioned between the liner and case. A detonator is activated to initiate the explosive material to generate a detonation wave. This wave collapses the liner and a high velocity metallic jet is formed. The jet pierces the well casing and geologic formation, and a slow moving slug is simultaneously formed. The jet properties depend on the charge shape, the energy released, and the liner mass and composition. A Monroe-effect shaped-charge warhead can be expected to penetrate armor equal to 150-250% of the warhead diameter.

Shaped Charge Theory
Hydrodynamic penetration is a complex mechanism which begins to appear when the strike velocity exceeds a critical value, typically about 1,150m/s for current penetrators against rolled homogenous armor (RHA) targets. Full hydrodynamic behavior does not occur until the strike velocity reaches several kilometers per second, such as occurs with shaped charge munitions. At strike velocities less than about 1,150m/s penetration of metal armor occurs mainly through the mechanism of plastic deformation. A typical penetrator achieves a strike velocity around 1,500m/s to 1,700m/s, depending on range, and therefore target effects generally exhibit both hydrodynamic behaviour and plastic deformation.

A number of models of varying degrees of complexity have been developed to predict long rod penetrator performance. A common feature that emerges from these models is the importance of a high strike velocity to exploit more fully the hydrodynamic penetration mechanism, which, in turn, is further improved by the use of longer penetrators having higher densities relative to the target material density. This is amply supported by experimental work.

Shaped charge is indeed an extraordinary phenomenon that is beyond the scale of normal physics, which explains why its fundamental theoretical mechanism is by no means fully understood.

The shaped charge jet tip reaches 10 kms-l some 40 µs after detonation, giving a cone tip acceleration of about 25 million g. At this acceleration the tip would reach the speed of light, were this possible, in around 1.5 seconds. But of course, it reaches a terminal velocity after only 40 millionths of a second. It is difficult to think of any other terrestrial event as fast as a shaped charge jet tip. The jet tail has a velocity of 2-5 kms-l and so the jet stretches out to a length of about 8 cone diameters (CDs) before particulation occurs. The stretching occurs at a high strain rate, requiring the cone material to have excellent dynamic ductility at temperatures up to about 450°C. On reaching a target, the pressure developed between the jet tip and the forming crater can be as high as 10 Mbar (10 million atmospheres), several times the highest pressure predicted in the Earth's core.

It is universally agreed that conical liner collapse and target penetration both occur by hydrodynamic flow. However, it has been established by X-ray diffraction that the jet is solid metal and not molten. Additionally, best estimates of jet temperature by incandescence colour suggest a mean value of about 450°C, and copper melts at 1083°C at atmospheric pressure. So the following conundrum is the first confusion: The jet appears to behave like a fluid, and yet it is known to be a solid. One recent theory that would help explain this is that the jet has a molten core but with a solid outer sheath.

The hypervelocity hydrodynamic impact (unlike lower speed KE penetration) results in a mushroom head penetration, such that the hole diameter is larger than the penetrator diameter. The dynamic compressive yield stress of the target is exceeded by a factor of at least one thousand times, so that only the densities of the target and jet materials are important. Both materials flow as if they were fluids and the penetration event can be modelled quite accurately using the Bernoulli equation for incompressible flow to give the well known hydrodynamic penetration equation.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:27:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 7:37:47 AM EST by Mauritius]
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:27:15 AM EST
A PKM and an SVD would look great in my collection.


Too bad the stupid ass government won't even let our soldiers bring a Makarov home as a souvenier.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:27:47 AM EST
Ban Air Soft!!! Do it for the children....
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:28:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 7:28:56 AM EST by g3shooter]
Originally Posted By chrism101:
http://www.nasiriyah.org/all%20image/pictures%2009/alibat%2012%206%202009/nasiriyah.org103.jpg

So are the Guys in blue camo Iraqi navy or what?

Where the hell do they get those ugly ass Awesome Uniforms Cheaper than Dirt?


-Yes Cheaper than Dirt carries a variety of uniforms that are supplied to the Iraqi Armed Forces at reasonable prices ~CTD

That Iraqi soldier in MARPAT is carrying a Sig 552.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:29:18 AM EST
Where did they get that AR I wonder.

It's not an M4. It has an HBAR and not a government profile barrel. It doesn't have M4 hand guards either.

I wonder where they got that and how many more they have.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:35:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By chrism101:
http://www.nasiriyah.org/all%20image/pictures%2009/alibat%2012%206%202009/nasiriyah.org103.jpg

So are the Guys in blue camo Iraqi navy or what?

Where the hell do they get those ugly ass Awesome Uniforms Cheaper than Dirt?


-Yes Cheaper than Dirt carries a variety of uniforms that are supplied to the Iraqi Armed Forces at reasonable prices ~CTD


Those would be your local Iraqi Police or IPs.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 7:36:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 7:37:47 AM EST by HardCoreHawkFan]
Seeing this stuff in Iraq explains why I can't find any RPGs, shape charge cones, or 105HE shells at my local gun show anymore. Between these guys and the Mexican drug cartels they are squeezing out a small time right wing extremist like me from gun shows, I just hope they don't start stockpiling Jalapeño cheese beef jerky or there won't be anything left for me at the gun show.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:09:09 AM EST
I just want one of the PKMs and the AK mags. Bastards.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 8:15:46 AM EST
See!!?! Gotta shut down those American gun shows.

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