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Posted: 6/22/2011 8:01:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2011 8:23:55 AM EDT by LTBeas]
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/06/22/2011-06-22_li_pharmacy_massacre_police_raid_home_in_connection_with_murder_of_four_at_haven.html?r=news












A squad of heavilly armed cops raided a Long Island home Wednesday and removed a man, possibly for questioning in connection with the cold-blooded murders of four people in a pharmacy.








The still unidentified man was hauled out of the Medford, L.I., home by police officers who had massed in front of the residence before barging inside.












ETA for photo


 
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:05:02 AM EDT
Bad raid!!



They should have sent the volunteer community officer up there to ring his doorbell and asked if he had killed several poeple. If he answered yes then they should have raided.



Damn cops don't do any cop work anymore, they just want to play with their toys.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:22:40 AM EDT



Originally Posted By klinc:


Bad raid!!



They should have sent the volunteer community officer up there to ring his doorbell and asked if he had killed several poeple. If he answered yes then they should have raided.



Damn cops don't do any cop work anymore, they just want to play with their toys.






 
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:23:02 AM EDT
Looks like the "suspect" resisted.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:28:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2011 9:01:49 AM EDT by GoinCampin]
Couple comments.

1) Arrest warrant, not a search warrant.
2) Murder
3) The murders came about because of a drug robbery. Legal drugs.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:33:36 AM EDT
Looks like the suspect "tripped" while running or resisting.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:38:05 AM EDT
hopefully they got their man.  This guy did not hesitate to kill 4.  Drugs make you do some crazy shit to feed the need...
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:40:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GoinCampin:
Couple comments.

1) Arrest warrant, not a search warrant.
2) Murder
3) The murders came about because of a drug robbery. Legal drugs.


This.  There is a big difference between a no knock raid to execute a search warrant and a no knock raid to execute an arrest warrant for a murder suspect.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:41:32 AM EDT



Originally Posted By klinc:


Bad raid!!



They should have sent the volunteer community officer up there to ring his doorbell and asked if he had killed several poeple. If he answered yes then they should have raided.



Damn cops don't do any cop work anymore, they just want to play with their toys.


A bunch of folks in body armor, but nothing clearly identifying them as the police (we will ignore the badge). Obviously fake cops.



 
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:42:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2011 9:07:45 AM EDT by stpeteaustin]
Radio edit.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:42:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:44:45 AM EDT
Shouldn't they just have sent a Detective and a Uniform to knock on his door for 5 minutes loudly announcing they were the police after running every tone on the siren box for an hour, after calling ahead to the resisdence to inform them they would be doing all that?
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:44:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2011 8:45:25 AM EDT by OLI62]
If that's the son of a bitch who did it I hope he rots in Hell.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:46:05 AM EDT
My guess is that the dude in custody knows the dude who did it.......

Maybe they're gonna lean on him to get to the killer.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:46:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GLHX2112:
Looks like the suspect "tripped" while running or resisting.


Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:50:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GoinCampin:
Couple comments.

1) Arrest warrant, not a search warrant.
2) Murder
3) The murders came about because of a drug robbery. Legal drugs.


Incorrect. The drugs are legal with written permission of a physician, provided that the person requesting the drugs has complied with the law in making his request and has consensually obtained them from a government-approved vendor. Otherwise, and certainly for this robber, they were illegal. In Florida, you can do 30 years in prison for possession of a couple of weeks' worth of Vicodin if they are illegal because not obtained through the proper channels. Whatever point you hoped to make by the claim that the drugs in question were legal fails because you are wrong on the facts.

Tell us about a drug robbery for Tylenol or Benadryl if you wish to make a connection between drugs and crime unconnected to prohibition.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:50:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SISUltra:
Originally Posted By GoinCampin:
Couple comments.

1) Arrest warrant, not a search warrant.
2) Murder
3) The murders came about because of a drug robbery. Legal drugs.


This.  There is a big difference between a no knock raid to execute a search warrant and a no knock raid to execute an arrest warrant for a murder suspect.


Agreed. Im far from a police apologist, however, it's important that those of us with legitimate concerns on these matters point out examples of appropriate use of no-knocks so as to provide contrast to inapropriate use.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:53:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:55:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Originally Posted By GoinCampin:
Couple comments.

1) Arrest warrant, not a search warrant.
2) Murder
3) The murders came about because of a drug robbery. Legal drugs.


Incorrect. The drugs are legal with written permission of a physician, provided that the person requesting the drugs has complied with the law in making his request and has consensually obtained them from a government-approved vendor. Otherwise, and certainly for this robber, they were illegal. In Florida, you can do 30 years in prison for possession of a couple of weeks' worth of Vicodin if they are illegal because not obtained through the proper channels. Whatever point you hoped to make by the claim that the drugs in question were legal fails because you are wrong on the facts.

Tell us about a drug robbery for Tylenol or Benadryl if you wish to make a connection between drugs and crime unconnected to prohibition.


They are still legal drugs. Guns are legal but not to a felon.

The point I was making was that just because the gov says some drugs are good, changes nothing. There's a "war on drugs" because "drugs kill" and "drugs are destroying blah blah" but only on a small handful of types of drugs.

Why so defensive....
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:58:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 9:01:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2011 9:03:15 AM EDT by GoinCampin]
Originally Posted By mike103:
Originally Posted By GoinCampin:
Couple comments.

1) Arrest warrant, not a search warrant.
2) Murder
3) The murders came about because of a drug robbery. Legal drugs.



No arrest warrant has been issued.

He was arrested on probable cause.

If it were the cop's would not be able to talk to the suspect.

But all of the ARF legal experts already knew that.

And don't worry he will talk.





I fixed my post. Still not a search warrant. And I'd like to know what the PC was and how they determined this guy was in this house. The article didn't seem to say.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 9:11:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 9:17:25 AM EDT
Shame of it is we don't have a Death Penalty in NY



Had this fucker come thru my Jail 15-20 years ago we would have made his stay " uncomfortable "



Now we just about tuck them in at night
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 9:21:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LTBeas:

Originally Posted By klinc:
Bad raid!!

They should have sent the volunteer community officer up there to ring his doorbell and asked if he had killed several poeple. If he answered yes then they should have raided.

Damn cops don't do any cop work anymore, they just want to play with their toys.


 


If it wasn't about murder that would be an appropriate GD response. Assuming they have overwhelming evidence, I wouldn't care if they had burned him out if facing resistance.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 9:24:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mike103:
Originally Posted By GoinCampin:

I fixed my post. Still not a search warrant. And I'd like to know what the PC was and how they determined this guy was in this house. The article didn't seem to say.



Sorry pal but that info will be in the supporting deposition not on ARF or in the newspaper.

Search warrants are a important tool used by police everyday and will continue to be used regardless of the opinion of the keyboard commando's of ARF.




Was just wondering how a previous poster seemed so sure.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 9:18:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/23/2011 9:19:25 AM EDT by mike103]
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 9:45:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 9:54:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By mike103:
Highlight's of investigation:

Cop's show surveillance video to public.

Cop's receive several tips as to the suspects ID.

Cop's show witness who saw suspect fleeing scene photo array.

Witness picks out suspect.

Brass recovered from scene matches brass on file of suspects registered handgun. (Required for all handguns sold in NYS)

Cop's stakeout suspects house.

Suspect is seen leaving and quickly returning back inside home.

Cop's boom door and take suspect into custody.

Suspects resists arrest.

That does not work out for him.

Suspects placed in line and ID'ed by witness.

Suspect arraigned on Murder 1*.

Unknown if suspects or wife made incriminating statements yet.

Not a good thing IMO.
 


Not a good thing at all, we have had this god damn system for 10 years and this would be the first time it has ever been successful. The state senate voted to end the program just a week ago, if this is true we will never be rid of the damn thing.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 10:01:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By snakes19:
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By mike103:
Highlight's of investigation:

Cop's show surveillance video to public.

Cop's receive several tips as to the suspects ID.

Cop's show witness who saw suspect fleeing scene photo array.

Witness picks out suspect.

Brass recovered from scene matches brass on file of suspects registered handgun. (Required for all handguns sold in NYS)

Cop's stakeout suspects house.

Suspect is seen leaving and quickly returning back inside home.

Cop's boom door and take suspect into custody.

Suspects resists arrest.

That does not work out for him.

Suspects placed in line and ID'ed by witness.

Suspect arraigned on Murder 1*.

Unknown if suspects or wife made incriminating statements yet.

Not a good thing IMO.
 


Not a good thing at all, we have had this god damn system for 10 years and this would be the first time it has ever been successful. The state senate voted to end the program just a week ago, if this is true we will never be rid of the damn thing.


It sounds like they would've gotten him anyway and the crime lab could've matched the brass for trial after arrest without having to keep around an expensive and largely unsuccessful registry.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 10:06:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/23/2011 10:07:17 AM EDT by NoloContendere]
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 10:07:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By snakes19:
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By mike103:
Highlight's of investigation:

Cop's show surveillance video to public.

Cop's receive several tips as to the suspects ID.

Cop's show witness who saw suspect fleeing scene photo array.

Witness picks out suspect.

Brass recovered from scene matches brass on file of suspects registered handgun. (Required for all handguns sold in NYS)

Cop's stakeout suspects house.

Suspect is seen leaving and quickly returning back inside home.

Cop's boom door and take suspect into custody.

Suspects resists arrest.

That does not work out for him.

Suspects placed in line and ID'ed by witness.

Suspect arraigned on Murder 1*.

Unknown if suspects or wife made incriminating statements yet.

Not a good thing IMO.
 


Not a good thing at all, we have had this god damn system for 10 years and this would be the first time it has ever been successful. The state senate voted to end the program just a week ago, if this is true we will never be rid of the damn thing.


It sounds like they would've gotten him anyway and the crime lab could've matched the brass for trial after arrest without having to keep around an expensive and largely unsuccessful registry.


such facts won't mean a damn thing to NYS dems.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:56:29 PM EDT
Damn, he stole pain killers for recreational use, but from the looks of this pic, this boy NEEDS painklillers now!!
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:33:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By grumpy-old-man:
Looks like the "suspect" resisted.


he ran into a wall
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:40:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Originally Posted By GoinCampin:
Couple comments.

1) Arrest warrant, not a search warrant.
2) Murder
3) The murders came about because of a drug robbery. Legal drugs.


Incorrect. The drugs are legal with written permission of a physician, provided that the person requesting the drugs has complied with the law in making his request and has consensually obtained them from a government-approved vendor. Otherwise, and certainly for this robber, they were illegal. In Florida, you can do 30 years in prison for possession of a couple of weeks' worth of Vicodin if they are illegal because not obtained through the proper channels. Whatever point you hoped to make by the claim that the drugs in question were legal fails because you are wrong on the facts.

Tell us about a drug robbery for Tylenol or Benadryl if you wish to make a connection between drugs and crime unconnected to prohibition.


The drugs by themselves aren't legal or illegal

Is an M-16 an illegal gun?
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:42:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:45:45 PM EDT








It almost looks like he took a buttstroke to the face.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:55:59 PM EDT
Too bad western justice can't take place.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 7:44:35 PM EDT
"A pill-popping, gun-loving Army vet and his junkie wife were charged Wednesday night in the cold-blooded massacre of four innocent people at a Long Island pharmacy."

Nope, no bias in that paragraph.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 7:52:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mike103:
Highlight's of investigation:

Cop's show surveillance video to public.

Cop's receive several tips as to the suspects ID.

Cop's show witness who saw suspect fleeing scene photo array.

Witness picks out suspect.

Brass recovered from scene matches brass on file of suspects registered handgun. (Required for all handguns sold in NYS)

Cop's stakeout suspects house.

Suspect is seen leaving and quickly returning back inside home.

Cop's boom door and take suspect into custody.

Suspects resists arrest.

That does not work out for him.

Suspects placed in line and ID'ed by witness.

Suspect arraigned on Murder 1*.

Unknown if suspects or wife made incriminating statements yet.


so, did the COBIS match come from them running brass recovered against all brass on file, or did they get a name first and then only run the brass found against brass for guns on his permit?
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 7:59:04 PM EDT
Somehow I knew the bad raid apologists would be here to applaud a good raid.  A murder ARREST WARRANT is grounds for a no-knock.  Some kid buying less than an ounce of weed is not.  Please, end your faggotry.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 8:01:53 PM EDT
From what I've read, his wife has already flipped on him. she's only facing robbery charges.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 8:09:57 PM EDT
Quote from the NY post

But by Monday, police were staking out his house on Pitchpine Place after receiving a dozen tips identifying him as the man in the video, sources said.

In addition to outside tips, the Special Narcotics Prosecutor's Office supplied Suffolk County Police with a list of possible suspects that included David Laffer. Laffer was one of several names given to Suffolk County Police because he lived in the area, had gotten prescriptions from Haven Pharmacy in the past and he had a gun permit.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bride_and_zWTAt7qBQd5r1chtF74ZjO#ixzz1QABHEyQf
Link Posted: 6/24/2011 2:47:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/24/2011 2:58:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/24/2011 3:03:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By packinheavy:



It almost looks like he took a buttstroke to the face.



News reports say he grabbed a cop's gun during the arrest and this was the result.



No sympathy whatsoever.

Link Posted: 6/24/2011 3:06:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/24/2011 3:06:29 AM EDT by Mech2007]

By the way, he's ex-Army. Was in for 8 years and only made PFC.

I don't know how it usually works, but that seems ridiculously slow to me. Is it?


Link Posted: 6/24/2011 3:06:35 AM EDT
Police nowadays lack the courtesy to knock first before entering a house
Link Posted: 6/24/2011 3:37:21 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Mech2007:




By the way, he's ex-Army. Was in for 8 years and only made PFC.



I don't know how it usually works, but that seems ridiculously slow to me. Is it?







that means he's just continuing old habits.... and I doubt he did 8 - probably 4 of those were his mandatory time if he was active, reserve/guard he *may* have done 8 but only making PFC means he was busted down/non-rec'd

 
Link Posted: 6/24/2011 3:39:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/24/2011 3:49:15 AM EDT by tc556guy]
Originally Posted By SISUltra:
Originally Posted By GoinCampin:
Couple comments.

1) Arrest warrant, not a search warrant.
2) Murder
3) The murders came about because of a drug robbery. Legal drugs.


This.  There is a big difference between a no knock raid to execute a search warrant and a no knock raid to execute an arrest warrant for a murder suspect.


No, not really. Bot are conducted in the interest of safety for all involved, with an additional interest in preserving evidence in the search warrants
Link Posted: 6/24/2011 3:45:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bloodsport2885:
Somehow I knew the bad raid apologists would be here to applaud a good raid.  A murder ARREST WARRANT is grounds for a no-knock.  Some kid buying less than an ounce of weed is not.  Please, end your faggotry.



End yours first



Link Posted: 6/24/2011 3:46:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
Police nowadays lack the courtesy to knock first before entering a house



They knocked first. They just knocked hard enough for the door to fall down
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