[ARCHIVED THREAD] - LEOs Murder Question. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/10/2016 11:19:38 PM EDT
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Do yall really give a fuck when gang member A kills gang member B as long as no innocents get killed? |
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my grandfather was a sheriff long ago and one of our many conversations went like this....If a black kills another black gang banger, don't arrest him, pat him on the back and tell him you're doing a good job and give them a few boxes of ammo and be on your merry way.
Politically correct....not my grandfather. |
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my grandfather was a sheriff long ago and one of our many conversations went like this....If a black kills another black gang banger, don't arrest him, pat him on the back and tell him you're doing a good job and give them a few boxes of ammo and be on your merry way. Politically correct....not my grandfather. Helluva guy. When I was popo, I didn't care. |
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It's the family that gets me. They often have no idea their brother or son (or daughter in one case I know) was ever involved in gang activity. So not only is their loved one gone, but they learn about a dark side to the person they thought could never hurt a fly and they've lost the chance to help them escape a downward spiral.
How people can do this to their families, I'll never understand. |
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It's the family that gets me. They often have no idea their brother or son (or daughter in one case I know) was ever involved in gang activity. So not only is their loved one gone, but they learn about a dark side to the person they thought could never hurt a fly and they've lost the chance to help them escape a downward spiral. How people can do this to their families, I'll never understand. 
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As a former prosecutor, you don't want it at all. If they think they can get away with they will shoot at each other more. And if A kills B, then B must try to kill someone from group A. So things escalate. And these are not precision assassins. They spray bullets everywhere and innocent people get killed. |
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It's the family that gets me. They often have no idea their brother or son (or daughter in one case I know) was ever involved in gang activity. So not only is their loved one gone, but they learn about a dark side to the person they thought could never hurt a fly and they've lost the chance to help them escape a downward spiral. How people can do this to their families, I'll never understand. You have to be kidding, right? |
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Yes I do. But in some ways it's a bigger question with more moving parts than you pose.
Most bangers don't value life in general much. One killing another does nothing emotionally to me. What does matter to me is that legit bangers often don't give a shit about collateral damage. Bangers often crave power, and in some fucked up way the threat of extreme violence and actually killing someone seems like a legitimate power that they hold. Being a real banger is a life limiting choice. Go find a an active banger in his 30's or older. You won't find many. They're not all dead, but some are doing long stretches in prison or others have left the life, probably after getting out of prison. It's not unusual that many have been suspects in other shootings or murders or even have been convicted of attempted murder or aggravated batteries/assaults. See how many bangers have scars from previously being stabbed or shot. See how many are looking at prison time at 18 or 19 years old because of shit they did as a juvenile that got them bumped up to the adult criminal justice system. I am concerned because murder is murder. To give someone a pass because it was two lowlifes with a power complex and a proclivity to believe that some fucked up code mutated by generations of thinking "I do what the fuck I want bitch", ultimately doesn't get a pass on violent crime because in this one case of thug on thug violence they limited to a demographic of society that produces nothing of value. Putting them away may actually save someone else down the road, maybe even a regular citizen. No fuck that, I'll do the job of reminding them that they don't get a pass because they ultimately made a decision to kill someone that had the same fucked up mindset and code that they had. I'll talk to the witnesses who often won't say shit often in a part of town that local people will walk by the scene while it's being processed and either show no sign of interest in regards to what happened or display an almost disturbing sense of normality while hanging out wondering how long until the mini mart is open again. No, I'll do it because it will remind them that they don't have a say in getting a pass. They weren't given that right and they sure as hell haven't earned it. |
| <------ Homicide detective for 6 years. I cared only about putting away the person who did it. Gang killings or one scumbag killing another was great for us. We treated it as basically a two for one. One shithead is dead and another is gone for a long time. As far as the person being killed....I think I speak for a lot of my fellow investigators in saying, "no" we don't care. Usually refer to them as "misdemeanor murders" |
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Do yall really give a fuck when gang member A kills gang member B as long as no innocents get killed? Yes, but only so we can get a 2 for the price of 1 special. I worked one murder trial where there was not a single sceptator. No one in defense of the killer or "victim", both had deep gang ties. Sometimes not even their own family cares. |
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I'm not a cop, but I'd say it's a taste for blood question. Once some gang banger asshole kills another gang banger asshole he becomes kind of a gang celebrity. You get away with one murder, you can get away with another. 'What difference does it make at this point? Like that motherfucker at the ATM...he's got money, I need money, I'm a gangbanger, what difference does it make if I kill him?' I would say that it's like a bear that's tasted human flesh. They become man killers that need to be hunted down and out down. That's my non-professional estimation. |
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It's the family that gets me. They often have no idea their brother or son (or daughter in one case I know) was ever involved in gang activity. So not only is their loved one gone, but they learn about a dark side to the person they thought could never hurt a fly and they've lost the chance to help them escape a downward spiral. How people can do this to their families, I'll never understand. You have to be kidding, right? You ever have to do a death notification? Doesn't matter how big of a shithead the dead guy was, he was loved by someone somewhere, and sometimes by good people. |
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It's the family that gets me. They often have no idea their brother or son (or daughter in one case I know) was ever involved in gang activity. So not only is their loved one gone, but they learn about a dark side to the person they thought could never hurt a fly and they've lost the chance to help them escape a downward spiral. How people can do this to their families, I'll never understand. they may say that publicly but i can promise you that people in those neighborhoods know full well they are gang members. every single one of them. |
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Quoted: It's the family that gets me. They often have no idea their brother or son (or daughter in one case I know) was ever involved in gang activity. So not only is their loved one gone, but they learn about a dark side to the person they thought could never hurt a fly and they've lost the chance to help them escape a downward spiral. How people can do this to their families, I'll never understand. Really?  I guarantee you the only family members that don't know that sweet little Dante Robinson is the Devil incarnate, is in a coma. Ed |