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Posted: 3/26/2006 8:37:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 9:21:04 AM EST by Dan_shoe]

Gun shows caught amid heated crossfireEach weekend in America, vast arsenals of weapons are bought and sold. Critics say those buyers include criminals. Advocates insist it’s all legal.By JUDY L. THOMASThe Kansas City StarAK-47s. SKS sniper rifles. Armor-piercing bullets. Machine gun displays.
It’s just another weekend at a Kansas City gun show, where there is so much firepower at your fingertips that even some gun enthusiasts shake their heads in wonder.
But the shows — which gained popularity in the 1990s and now number in the thousands nationwide — are coming under increasing fire as critics claim they are contributing to the incidence of violent crime.
“Gun shows are one of our main problems,” said Kansas City Mayor Pro Tem Alvin Brooks. “These are the guns that end up on the streets of America.”
Brooks recalled several teens who were shot last year in retaliation for robbing a drug dealer at gunpoint.
“One got killed, one lost a leg, and one was paralyzed,” Brooks said. “This one fellow who I talked to (at the hospital) said they had bought those guns at gun shows. He said all you have to do is be 18 years old, and sometimes they don’t ask you anything if you’ve got cash.”
Critics contend that the biggest problem is a legal loophole that allows criminals and others who are prohibited from buying a firearm to obtain guns from unlicensed sellers at guns shows. In most states, including Missouri and Kansas, no background checks are required to buy long guns — including assault rifles — from sellers who do not have a federal firearms license.
Gun-rights advocates maintain, however, that there is no “gun show loophole.”
“If anyone is involved in the trade of selling and buying firearms, they have to obtain a federal firearms license,” said Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the National Rifle Association. “That is the law of the land today, so to say that there’s a loophole is disingenuous.”
While Arulanandam acknowledged that unlicensed sellers do not have to conduct background checks, he said they were in the “distinct minority.”
Local law enforcement authorities insist gun shows remain a major concern.
“I think the average person would be in awe at what’s all legal now,” said Maj. Anthony Ell, commander of the Kansas City Police Department’s violent crimes division. “Individuals who may not be able to get them legally through proper licensed dealers, that gun show loophole allows them to bypass all of that and get guns.”
But Paul Marquardt, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Kansas City, said the agency is more concerned about “the people who illegally sell firearms to criminals” such as felons, illegal aliens or drug traffickers.
“The ATF does not target gun shows, we target criminals who are trying to acquire firearms from any source whether it’s in a back alley or anywhere else,” Marquardt said.
Gun sellers interviewed by The Kansas City Star said that despite the presence of law enforcement authorities, illegal sales and gun thefts occur at area shows. A reporter observed one questionable firearm transaction at a recent show. And a vendor said someone had stolen handguns from him and another vendor.
What’s more, the leader of a white supremacist gang of bank robbers told The Star that he and his partners found that gun shows in Missouri and Kansas were a quick way to buy and dump weapons used in their crimes.
“It was incredibly easy,” said Peter Langan, who in the 1990s was the head of the Aryan Republican Army, a group that prosecutors say was responsible for 22 bank robberies in the Midwest. “Gun shows, just for the sheer volume and selection, you just couldn’t beat ’em,” Langan said in a telephone interview from prison, where he is serving a life sentence.
One of Langan’s convicted associates, Kevin McCarthy, told the FBI after he was arrested that he had used one of those guns in a 1994 bank heist in Missouri. “McCarthy utilized a 9 mm Ruger Pistol, Model PT-89,” an FBI special agent wrote in an investigative summary obtained by The Star. “McCarthy had previously purchased this pistol at a gun show in Kansas City, Mo.”
Brooks said the teen wounded in last year’s shootout told him that his friends often would go to shows to buy and resell guns. They preferred lethal-looking weapons similar to the TEC-DC9 with a 30-round clip that police took off a young man at the St. Patrick’s Day parade.
“The AR-15, the TEC-9 and the AK-47 are what they’re getting,” Brooks said.
Double standard?
When Congress passed the Brady Bill in 1993, it put in place what some consider a double standard for the purchase of guns. Licensed dealers have to conduct background checks on buyers while unlicensed sellers — private individuals and collectors — do not.
Critics say that means criminals and others who are prohibited from buying a firearm can skirt the law and get guns from unlicensed sellers at gun shows.
For years, gun-safety advocates have called for federal legislation to close what they contend is a gun show loophole. But the gun lobby has argued that would shut down gun shows, and the legislation has stalled.
Eighteen states, however, have passed laws that either require background checks before the purchase of any firearms at gun shows or require buyers to first obtain a permit. Missouri, for example, requires a permit for all handgun purchases, although long guns and assault rifles do not require one.
But the remaining states — including Kansas — still allow buyers to purchase firearms from unlicensed sellers at gun shows without obtaining a permit or undergoing a criminal background check.
Gun-rights advocates contend that most people who sell guns at gun shows are licensed dealers, not private sellers, so it is not that big a problem.
“There are only a few people who buy tables to dispose of private collections,” said Kevin Jamison, a Gladstone lawyer and member of the Western Missouri Shooters Alliance. “That’s been rare, and it’s getting more and more unusual.”
But the ATF estimates that up to one-fourth of the gun sellers at shows are unlicensed. And authorities argue that criminals and illegal gun traffickers are wise to that, although they’re also getting firearms from licensed dealers.
Last month, an ATF official testified before a congressional subcommittee that more than 400 firearms purchased at gun shows in the Richmond, Va., area between 2002 and 2005 were later used in crimes. Checks of 302 persons who had purchased guns from licensed dealers at those shows in a 15-month period revealed that 47 had provided false addresses.
An earlier report on illegal weapons by the ATF found that gun shows were the second-leading source of illegal firearms recovered in gun-trafficking investigations. In some cases, known or suspected terrorists bought guns at shows.
A known member of Hezbollah, for example, was convicted in 2001 in a federal court in Michigan for trying to smuggle guns into Lebanon. An undercover agent saw the man buy a weapon at a gun show without a background check.
Gun-rights advocates insist the shows are not a major source of weapons used in crimes. The NRA cites a 2001 Bureau of Justice Statistics report that said fewer than 1 percent of guns used in crimes came from gun shows.
“The biggest source of crime firearms is the black market,” Arulanandam said. “Law enforcement always refers to criminals looking for a clean gun. What they’re referring to is they want to find a firearm that’s not traceable. And every time you go through a retail outlet or any FFL (federal firearms licensed dealer), you have a long paper trail.”
Shows still popular
Each year, more than 5,000 gun shows are held nationwide, according to the ATF. The National Association of Arms Shows says that an average of 2,500 to 3,000 people attend a typical show, purchasing between 100,000 and 300,000 guns annually.
“On any given weekend, there’s a gun show going on someplace,” Jamison said. “In the greater Kansas City area, there’s probably one to two gun shows in any given month.”
At a March 12 gun show at the 3 Trails Expo Center next to Bannister Mall, tables were teeming with handguns, assault rifles, knives and war memorabilia.
Several vendors were selling books and pamphlets such as “How to Make Disposable Silencers” and “Homemade Grenade Launchers.” A few publications described how to convert semiautomatic weapons into machine guns — which is illegal under federal law.
But overall, the show appeared to be taking steps to assure the safe handling of weapons, and there was visible security.
Signs at the entrance warned, “No Loaded Guns Inside.” Two off-duty Jackson County sheriff’s deputies checked guns brought into the building. Other deputies strolled the aisles of the show, which organizer Waylon Pearson of R.K. Shows in Manchester, Iowa, said drew 4,000 people.
Lee Morlang’s table included a Rock River AR-15 assault rifle for $850. Morlang said he was selling his private collection and therefore did not need a license. He estimated that 10 to 12 other vendors were unlicensed sellers who were not required to conduct background checks.
Morlang said he did not need any background check to tell him who should and should not be buying a gun. “I can read people like a book,” he said. “If we get a bad person in here, we get rid of ’em.”
Others at the show keep an eye out as well, he said. “There was a guard here yesterday, he saw two guys here that had been in prison. The minute they saw him, they hit the door.”
But apparently that does not prevent all crime at the shows. Morlang said someone recently stole a .44-caliber handgun from him as he was loading weapons after a show. The same thing happened to another vendor, he said.
As he spoke, Morlang watched two men near his booth. One handed the other a wad of cash, who then gave the man a handgun — a possible violation of the law which requires handgun purchasers to first obtain a permit.
“See right there?” Morlang asked. “There’s a transaction going on right in front of us of an unregistered gun.” He shook his head, adding, “it’s that kind of stuff that gives these shows a bad name.”
Dean Parr, owner of Dean’s Gun Shop in St. Joseph, said he and other licensed dealers have to abide by the same laws at gun shows as they do at their stores.
“If they buy a gun off an individual at a gun show, they don’t have to do the paperwork,” Parr conceded. “But they could do the same thing at a truck stop or somewhere else, too.”
Parr, however, doubted that many criminals were getting guns at the shows.
“If they are, it’s a very small percentage,” he said. “But if there was anything they could do to monitor these shows better, it would be to have someone out in the parking lot to keep people from buying and selling guns out there.”
The Jan. 15 gun show at the KCI Expo Center, sponsored by the Missouri Valley Arms Collectors Association, also enjoyed a huge turnout and appeared to be well run. Although that show offered fewer handguns than the March show, there were plenty of assault weapons.
The ATF had two representatives available to answer questions and several off-duty Kansas City police officers walked the aisles. Nearby, one vendor was selling what was purported to be armor-piercing ammunition, also known as “cop killer” bullets.
Even some gun show attendees seemed surprised at the array of weaponry.
“I don’t see how that can be legal,” one man remarked to a friend as he pointed toward a Bushmaster assault rifle — the kind of weapon used in the 2002 sniper spree that left 10 persons dead in Washington, D.C., Maryland and Virginia.
Under current law, it is legal.
Tougher enforcement
Eighteen months ago, Congress did not reauthorize the part of the Brady Law that banned the manufacture and sale of 19 kinds of military-style assault weapons. Now that the weapons are back on the market, authorities say they are trying to get tougher on weapons violations.
In fact, the U.S. attorney’s office in Kansas City is among the nation’s leaders for the number of federal gun law prosecutions.
But gun-safety advocates point out those prosecutions, which they applaud, are mostly for felons possessing firearms or committing a felony with one — not for violators who buy and sell firearms illegally.
In 2003, only 532 of the more than 126,000 people nationwide who lied on a background check were prosecuted, according to a study by the Americans for Gun Safety Foundation. And just 234 cases were filed for possessing or selling stolen firearms, even though 40,000 stolen guns were recovered and returned to their owners.
Still, some gun-rights advocates complain that federal law enforcement agencies are too aggressive. Last month, they persuaded a congressional subcommittee to hold hearings on the way the ATF investigated gun shows in Richmond, Va.
Gun show organizers charged that the ATF and local law enforcement scared off potential customers and racially profiled buyers. A top ATF official acknowledged that agents made some mistakes but denied any profiling and defended their tactics.
The ATF’s Michael Bouchard told lawmakers that the agency polices only about 100 of the 5,000 gun shows annually. He said the agency focused on the Richmond-area shows after discovering that hundreds of firearms purchased at the shows in a three-year period were used in crimes.
During the investigation, Bouchard said agents witnessed a “straw purchase” — where a buyer allowed to own a gun turns around and sells it to someone who is not — that led them to a street gang whose leader was involved in a murder committed with an AK-47.
Authorities said that weapon also was acquired through a straw purchase at another gun show.


Background checks: How they work
■ Most background checks, which are required on all
purchases from licensed dealers, are completed within two hours, and buyers are allowed to take their gun as soon as the check
is over.
■ If the background check does not go through by the time the gun show closes, the buyer is supposed to go to the dealer’s place of business to follow up. Authorities say that does not always happen. At that point, gun transfers sometimes go on under the table, authorities say, but if an officer doesn’t witness it, it is almost impossible to prove.
■ If the background check is not completed within the mandatory three days, the dealer can go ahead with the sale. If the
background check eventually shows that the buyer is not
allowed to have a gun, it is up
to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobbaco, Firearms and Explosives to try to get the gun back.


Gun show facts and figures
■ Gun shows each year in the United States: More than 5,000.
■ Guns purchased each year at shows: 100,000 to 300,000.
■ Unlicensed gun sellers at shows: Up to one-fourth, according to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives estimates.
■ Gun shows are the second-leading source of illegal firearms recovered in gun-trafficking investigations, according to the ATF.
■ States requiring background checks on the purchase of firearms at gun shows: 18. Missouri requires a permit for handgun purchases. Kansas doesn’t require a permit.


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More than
gun shows
each year in the
United States
guns sold
each year at shows
> What’s the
so-called “gun
show loophole”?
Licensed dealers must do background checks before selling guns. But unlicensed sellers don’t. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says up to one-fourth of gun show sellers are unlicensed and that gun shows are the second-leading source of illegal firearms recovered in gun-trafficking investigations.
> What happens in Missouri, Kansas?
Federal law requires all licensed dealers to do background checks before selling guns. In Missouri, buyers must get a permit to buy any handgun, but long guns can be bought from unlicensed dealers without a permit or background check. In Kansas, all guns may be bought from unlicensed dealers without a permit or background check.


Interesting article from the gun grabbers. i think this deserves a fire mission for the comments on the bottom of the screen.

ETA- changed title so "journalist" could get some feed back.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:39:27 AM EST
Paragraphs, for the love of christ.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:39:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dan_shoe:

Gun shows caught amid heated crossfireEach weekend in America, vast arsenals of weapons are bought and sold. Critics say those buyers include criminals. Advocates insist it’s all legal.By JUDY L. THOMASThe Kansas City StarAK-47s. SKS sniper rifles. Armor-piercing bullets. Machine gun displays.

Credibility and all it took was 2 sentences into the article too!
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:41:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 8:41:59 AM EST by Dan_shoe]
sorry, just copied and pasted. picture and paragraphs at the site mentioned. you can tell the author of the article how stupid she is at the bottom of the page as well.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:43:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:

Originally Posted By Dan_shoe:

Gun shows caught amid heated crossfireEach weekend in America, vast arsenals of weapons are bought and sold. Critics say those buyers include criminals. Advocates insist it’s all legal.By JUDY L. THOMASThe Kansas City StarAK-47s. SKS sniper rifles. Armor-piercing bullets. Machine gun displays.

Credibility and all it took was 2 sentences into the article too!

SKS and Sniper are like saying rock and accuracy! it'll get you in the general vicinity!
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:48:04 AM EST
My eyes they bleed from the bull shit.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:32:02 AM EST
Was this gun day or something for JUDY L. THOMAS? That something being of course, the "look I'm not biased about guns I wrote an article that's not 100% negative about them"

Machine gun dealer does business at a brisk clip
The Kansas City Star

FAYETTE, Mo. — In just four years, Jeff and John Overstreet went from running a print shop to renting out machine guns to blaze away on their shooting range.

“Most people don’t realize it’s legal,” said Jeff Overstreet, whose company, CMMG Inc., also manufactures and sells semiautomatic assault weapons and accessories.

CMMG, which stands for Central Missouri Machine Guns, is a frequent vendor at area gun shows, setting up displays at 25 to 30 shows a year around the state. Its inventory of assault weapons is impressive.

One commemorates firefighters who died at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. And the odd-looking PS90 is a civilian version of a weapon used by the Secret Service.

Although CMMG sells primarily to civilians, Overstreet said, it also does business with law enforcement agencies, the military and private contractors in Afghanistan and Iraq. It operates out of a nondescript building several miles outside Fayette.

“We take our business very, very seriously,” Overstreet said. “When we applied for our federal license, everyone had to be fingerprinted and have their mug shots taken and the sheriff had to be notified. Then we all had to pass a federal background check.”

Among CMMG’s 20 machine gun models — available for rent only at their Fayette range — are the military M-16 and the MP5SD, which is used by law enforcement and counterterrorism agencies worldwide.

Before shooting the weapons, a person must sign a waiver and undergo a background check, Overstreet said.

His prices are $10 for a 30-round magazine, a bargain compared with what you would pay in Las Vegas, where similar enterprises charge $1 a round.

Still, it only takes about four seconds to empty a magazine. But some gun enthusiasts say it is worth the money.

“It can be fun, but it’s harder to hit things than you think,” said Kevin Jamison of the Western Missouri Shooters Alliance.

CMMG only allows people to rent machine guns during regular “shoots,” which are usually held every month or two. Overstreet said the shoots draw from 80 to 150 persons.

The company also sponsors competitions, such as the “Midwest 3-Gun Championships” coming up April 29 and 30. Prizes total in the thousands of dollars, and participants come from across the United States.

Renting is one thing, but buying a machine gun can be a major undertaking, Overstreet said.

“They’re all subject to a very extensive federal background check,” he said. “It usually takes about six months.”

Machine guns also are not cheap. Overstreet noted that when the federal government started regulating machine guns in the gangster era of the 1930s, you could purchase one for $175.

Today, civilians can only legally buy machine guns made before 1986. Even an old M-16 can cost $7,000 to $15,000.

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