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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:23:48 AM EST
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A judge was shot outside of the courthouse in Steubenville, OH. One suspect killed, one in custody. Judge is in stable condition according to news reports.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:24:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/21/2017 9:30:44 AM EST by Aimless]
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I'll forgo my usual Steubenville crack.
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Hoping the judge is ok and everyone involved is alright.


But Ohio doesn't really claim stubenville. It's more WV than Ohio.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:31:13 AM EST
Good to see the judge is in stable condition, and good on that probation officer.
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TWO perps? Gang action perhaps?
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:
Hoping the judge is ok and everyone involved is alright.


But Ohio doesn't really claim stubenville. It's more WV than Ohio.
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
I'll forgo my usual Steubenville crack.
Hoping the judge is ok and everyone involved is alright.


But Ohio doesn't really claim stubenville. It's more WV than Ohio.
Bull shit, it's not part of WV.
Word on street is it's the dad of one of the football plays that raped that girl.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:40:50 AM EST
Kinda surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:41:45 AM EST
In Ohio, the Probation Officers you see in most Courts of Common Pleas are retired or very seasoned cops.  Probation is kind of an old folks home for cops.  I know lots of them from many different counties and I can't think of more than a couple who couldn't or wouldn't "bring it" just like the PO in question.  They are OPOTA trained and full-fledged police officers, for the most part.  In some counties they see even more action than road deputies.  
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:42:02 AM EST
Judge returned fire
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:42:19 AM EST
Poor shot or quick reactions?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9tkMYoOLAhk
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I'm guessing it's an irate ex-husband and his buddy / brother/ cousin / all three who didn't like the property division / visitation he was awarded.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:51:04 AM EST
Glad perp got deaded. Should have been two.
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Originally Posted By Mech2007:


I'm guessing it's an irate ex-husband and his buddy / brother/ cousin / all three who didn't like the property division / visitation he was awarded.
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From what I'm hearing it's was a irate dad.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I'll forgo my usual Steubenville crack.

Two people involved in the attack? That sounds odd.
The Court of Common Pleas sounds like it handles felonies and divorces, not much info there.
Probation officer killed one person and another was taken into custody.

You know it's odd how often angry people blame their own lawyer, not the other lawyer or judge. When i was clerking in law school a former public defender said he was pretty scared of his former clients and thought they were often more mad at him than anyone else ie "you didn't get me off the hook." I had a hearing a few months ago where a guy I was questioning went batshit, swore and left the building. You could hear him in the parking lot screaming about how much he hated his lawyer, not me or the judge.
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Once after winning a felony arson trial, i.e., an acquittal, the "victim" showed up in my office yelling and screaming. That was the worst problem I've had, thankfully.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:56:57 AM EST
If Dad wasn't the one who was DRT he can be Son's cell mate.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:58:37 AM EST
The news account's witness's statement is very Steubenville:

"My alarm went off at 8 a.m., and I snoozed it, and a minute or two later, I heard approximately 7 or 8 gunshots, and I went to look out the window and I seen somebody in a white shirt, probably a detective, kneeling down firing at something, and that’s when I knew something happened down here," witness Cody Allison said.
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Originally Posted By AnalogKid:
If Dad wasn't the one who was DRT he can be Son's cell mate.
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Sons out, he is trying to play ball for Youngstown State.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:59:37 AM EST
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Good shoot by judge and PO.

Too bad they didn't get both perps. OTOH, maybe the judge in question can sentence the other bad guy.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I'll forgo my usual Steubenville crack.

Two people involved in the attack? That sounds odd.
The Court of Common Pleas sounds like it handles felonies and divorces, not much info there.
Probation officer killed one person and another was taken into custody.

You know it's odd how often angry people blame their own lawyer, not the other lawyer or judge. When i was clerking in law school a former public defender said he was pretty scared of his former clients and thought they were often more mad at him than anyone else ie "you didn't get me off the hook." I had a hearing a few months ago where a guy I was questioning went batshit, swore and left the building. You could hear him in the parking lot screaming about how much he hated his lawyer, not me or the judge.
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It's a "side" thing, in my experience. Most folks I deal with see the police, the judges, and the D.A.s as being the other side, and their own lawyer(s) as being on their side. The other side is always out to get you, so whatever, but if your side fails you it smacks of betrayal.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:00:06 AM EST
I love that the Judge returned fire himself.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:02:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I know nothing about Ohio, but in NY probation officers get marginal, at best, training, like sometimes a day at the range. That PO brought it though, good on him/her.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Good to see the judge is in stable condition, and good on that probation officer.
I know nothing about Ohio, but in NY probation officers get marginal, at best, training, like sometimes a day at the range. That PO brought it though, good on him/her.
Courts around me are filled with alot of PO and Leos outside standing by their vehicles, the POs are very serious about their jobs and most I believe are retired leo. Easiest way to spot one is most here carry handguns on the front of their vest.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I've been lucky. Never had a problem with a criminal client.

i represented a murderer (well
"manslaughterer") on appeal. I drove out to the prison and met with him. Very pleasant, he had an odd sing songey voice. Appeal went okay, forgot about it.

years later I stop at the  grocery store late at night and hear "Hi there!" In that same odd voice and almost screamed. I spun around and there he was. He was pretty cool, staying out of trouble and getting on with life, but God damn I almost shit myself.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:


It's a "side" thing, in my experience. Most folks I deal with see the police, the judges, and the D.A.s as being the other side, and their own lawyer(s) as being on their side. The other side is always out to get you, so whatever, but if your side fails you it smacks of betrayal.
I've been lucky. Never had a problem with a criminal client.

i represented a murderer (well
"manslaughterer") on appeal. I drove out to the prison and met with him. Very pleasant, he had an odd sing songey voice. Appeal went okay, forgot about it.

years later I stop at the  grocery store late at night and hear "Hi there!" In that same odd voice and almost screamed. I spun around and there he was. He was pretty cool, staying out of trouble and getting on with life, but God damn I almost shit myself.
I have a photo of a first degree murder defendant holding my 1 year old during a break in her trial.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:13:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By carl000:
Poor shot or quick reactions?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9tkMYoOLAhk
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Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:19:22 AM EST
That was a really crappy website. First, my computer screen goes black several times and then an advertisement fills my screen. Then I can finally see the article and the picture of the suspect being led away by law enforcement officers only shows half the image from the waist down.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:25:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RedBones:

Sons out, he is trying to play ball for Youngstown State.
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Can we get Emma Sulkewicz on campus to shadow him?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:34:00 AM EST
From what I recall that rape trial was as shady as fuck. Not condoning what the Dad did, but anger drives men to do some crazy things.
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
From what I recall that rape trial was as shady as fuck. Not condoning what the Dad did, but anger drives men to do some crazy things.
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Yes it was, and Stuebenville circled the wagons around the football plays.
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Yes it was, and Stuebenville circled the wagons around the football plays.
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Are y'all saying the defendant was railroaded? (Not familiar with the case, just curious)
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I've been lucky. Never had a problem with a criminal client.

i represented a murderer (well
"manslaughterer") on appeal. I drove out to the prison and met with him. Very pleasant, he had an odd sing songey voice. Appeal went okay, forgot about it.

years later I stop at the  grocery store late at night and hear "Hi there!" In that same odd voice and almost screamed. I spun around and there he was. He was pretty cool, staying out of trouble and getting on with life, but God damn I almost shit myself.
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A couple of years after I had arbitration for an insurance claim for an auto accident I scared the poop out of the insurance company's lawyer (who looked like a dummy during arbitration and wrapped up with a phony Matlock imitation of aha! gotcha! producing a medical document that I purportedly filled out but the handwriting was clearly not my scribbles).  The other guy rear ended me while I was stopped at a red light BTW.  

My wife and I were at the Dayton Auto Show and I walked purposefully up to a car I wanted to sit in because I always walk purposefully.  There were a couple of older gents standing by the open driver's door chatting, one of them saw me coming and recoiled with a no shit look of fear on his face.  I plopped my ass down in the car, checked it out and moved on to the next car.  Was puzzled at his reaction.  Took me awhile to remember that he was the insurance company's attorney.  Maybe it is that my neutral, relaxed, semi-happy expression looks like I'm pissed as hell thank you gravity very much. 
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
From what I recall that rape trial was as shady as fuck. Not condoning what the Dad did, but anger drives men to do some crazy things.
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Maybe the judge earned it, in for more details.
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
Are y'all saying the defendant was railroaded? (Not familiar with the case, just curious)
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Originally Posted By RedBones:



Yes it was, and Stuebenville circled the wagons around the football plays.
Are y'all saying the defendant was railroaded? (Not familiar with the case, just curious)
No, they tried to protect the football plays that were accused of rape. Then it became National News.
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:



Hoping the judge is ok and everyone involved is alright.


But Ohio doesn't really claim stubenville. It's more WV than Ohio.
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Nonsense, Weirton's problem is meth. Steubenville has the drug trade from Detroit and the urban black problems that go with it, albeit on a small scale.
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
Nonsense, Weirton's problem is meth. Steubenville has the drug trade from Detroit and the urban black problems that go with it, albeit on a small scale.
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
Originally Posted By rogueboss:



Hoping the judge is ok and everyone involved is alright.


But Ohio doesn't really claim stubenville. It's more WV than Ohio.
Nonsense, Weirton's problem is meth. Steubenville has the drug trade from Detroit and the urban black problems that go with it, albeit on a small scale.
Weirton problem is Heroin and crack is making a come back from what I hear.
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Everyplace's problem is Heroin. But the big problems don't cross either bridge between Steubenville and Weirton.

Wheeling and Belmont County are a different story of course...
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
Everyplace's problem is Heroin. But the big problems don't cross either bridge between Steubenville and Weirton.

Wheeling and Belmont County are a different story of course...
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Thankfully, the Chicago boys are supposedly in Weirton and the PD keeps a eye out for them.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
POs here are usually social worker types, never heard of a police officer going into it. Interesting.
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Originally Posted By jeepnstein:
In Ohio, the Probation Officers you see in most Courts of Common Pleas are retired or very seasoned cops.  Probation is kind of an old folks home for cops.  I know lots of them from many different counties and I can't think of more than a couple who couldn't or wouldn't "bring it" just like the PO in question.  They are OPOTA trained and full-fledged police officers, for the most part.  In some counties they see even more action than road deputies.  
POs here are usually social worker types, never heard of a police officer going into it. Interesting.
I never heard of a cop in NY going into it either.
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OPOTA is not nearly as good as it used to be.
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Originally Posted By xxprince:

Maybe the judge earned it, in for more details.
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We're taking a very dim view of the whole thing here.  I've been saying for years that this was the way to get a Judge if you really wanted one.  Looks like this Judge had situational awareness and a buddy in tow.  

No amount of shooting at Judges will get your kid out of prison.  Quite the contrary.  
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 11:47:30 AM EST
No mention of what type guns were used. 
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Thankfully, the Chicago boys are supposedly in Weirton and the PD keeps a eye out for them.
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Got to give kudos to the WPD,, Brooke Co Sheriff, and Hancock Co. Sheriff; they've this side of the river pretty quiet.
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Originally Posted By lvcipriani:
OPOTA is not nearly as good as it used to be.
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As evidenced by the joke that is the current OPOTA pistol course. 
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I love how they refuse to release the names of the attempted assassins until they have had a chance to scrub their social media.
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Originally Posted By RedBones:
Bull shit, it's not part of WV.
Word on street is it's the dad of one of the football plays that raped that girl.
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Originally Posted By RedBones:
Originally Posted By rogueboss:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
I'll forgo my usual Steubenville crack.
Hoping the judge is ok and everyone involved is alright.


But Ohio doesn't really claim stubenville. It's more WV than Ohio.
Bull shit, it's not part of WV.
Word on street is it's the dad of one of the football plays that raped that girl.
If memory serves, the charges filed against the football players were handled by a visiting judge . . . this judge would not have been involved.

Is the judge that was ambushed today a juvenile or general division common pleas court judge?
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I'll forgo my usual Steubenville crack.

Two people involved in the attack? That sounds odd.
The Court of Common Pleas sounds like it handles felonies and divorces, not much info there.
Probation officer killed one person and another was taken into custody.

You know it's odd how often angry people blame their own lawyer, not the other lawyer or judge. When i was clerking in law school a former public defender said he was pretty scared of his former clients and thought they were often more mad at him than anyone else ie "you didn't get me off the hook." I had a hearing a few months ago where a guy I was questioning went batshit, swore and left the building. You could hear him in the parking lot screaming about how much he hated his lawyer, not me or the judge.
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Not everything is the Supreme Court like New York.
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Judges can be into some crazy shit. Nothing like having a change of venue because of it.

Most likely though, dumbass, drugs, etc.
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Originally Posted By RedBones:
Bull shit, it's not part of WV.
Word on street is it's the dad of one of the football plays that raped that girl.
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Originally Posted By RedBones:
Originally Posted By rogueboss:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
I'll forgo my usual Steubenville crack.
Hoping the judge is ok and everyone involved is alright.


But Ohio doesn't really claim stubenville. It's more WV than Ohio.
Bull shit, it's not part of WV.
Word on street is it's the dad of one of the football plays that raped that girl.
Damn right it"s not....more like part of Pittsburgh if anything
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