Posted: 2/17/2015 10:17:31 PM EDT
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What is the current go to?
I like the idea of a cloud environment that Eclipse offers so I can work on the road. I am not a professional java developer, so little details may escape me. I am looking to start with a good environment though. |
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What is the current go to? I like the idea of a cloud environment that Eclipse offers so I can work on the road. I am not a professional java developer, so little details may escape me. I am looking to start with a good environment though. Eclipse is the gold standard IMHO. |
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I've never used it -- how does it compare to NetBeans? I've never been a fan of Eclipse, what little Java I've done I've always used NB for -- it makes life pretty easy, though I do most of my development in xcode using Objective C now. |
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I've never used it -- how does it compare to NetBeans? I've never been a fan of Eclipse, what little Java I've done I've always used NB for -- it makes life pretty easy, though I do most of my development in xcode using Objective C now. Quoted:
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I've never used it -- how does it compare to NetBeans? I've never been a fan of Eclipse, what little Java I've done I've always used NB for -- it makes life pretty easy, though I do most of my development in xcode using Objective C now. The last time I used NetBeans was ca 2004 so I have no idea what it's like these days. IDEA's debugger is the best I've seen. The same company (JetBrains) makes IDEs for a lot of languages. I also use RubyMine. They share common plugins and themes and the look & feel is very close. |
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The last time I used NetBeans was ca 2004 so I have no idea what it's like these days. IDEA's debugger is the best I've seen. The same company (JetBrains) makes IDEs for a lot of languages. I also use RubyMine. They share common plugins and themes and the look & feel is very close. Quoted:
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I've never used it -- how does it compare to NetBeans? I've never been a fan of Eclipse, what little Java I've done I've always used NB for -- it makes life pretty easy, though I do most of my development in xcode using Objective C now. The last time I used NetBeans was ca 2004 so I have no idea what it's like these days. IDEA's debugger is the best I've seen. The same company (JetBrains) makes IDEs for a lot of languages. I also use RubyMine. They share common plugins and themes and the look & feel is very close. I'll have to try it... I really don't like Eclipse, though it is very effective if configured correctly. It's almost too configurable to the point it's a pita to use. |
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Mine used vi. That sucked. Fortunately, vim was installed  Quoted:
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I use notepad. j/k 
Eclipse. fucking notepad. My first CS course used EDT. Mine used vi. That sucked. Fortunately, vim was installed Imagine how happy I was when I discovered Unix and vi... Though being able to use ED came in handy a few years later when I got a computer (I think it was a nighthawk running some stripped down variant of cx-ux, if I remember correctly) dropped on me that had no tools, no way to build any tools, and no text editor besides ED. And a significant number of its configuration files were fucked. |
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I also like IntelliJ, but I don't think it sucks. It's as good as Visual Studio. I use it to write code, refactor it, debug it, and send it to bitbucket source control. |
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I also like IntelliJ, but I don't think it sucks. It's as good as Visual Studio. I use it to write code, refactor it, debug it, and send it to bitbucket source control. Quoted:
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I also like IntelliJ, but I don't think it sucks. It's as good as Visual Studio. I use it to write code, refactor it, debug it, and send it to bitbucket source control. All IDEs suck. My biggest beef with IDEA has to do with a plugin that I use occasionally blindly swallowing keypresses, but that's the plugin's fault. |
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All IDEs suck. My biggest beef with IDEA has to do with a plugin that I use occasionally blindly swallowing keypresses, but that's the plugin's fault. Quoted:
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I also like IntelliJ, but I don't think it sucks. It's as good as Visual Studio. I use it to write code, refactor it, debug it, and send it to bitbucket source control. All IDEs suck. My biggest beef with IDEA has to do with a plugin that I use occasionally blindly swallowing keypresses, but that's the plugin's fault. I've had good luck with both Visual Studio and Xcode, neither is perfect but they're both very polished and well written tools. |
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I've had good luck with both Visual Studio and Xcode, neither is perfect but they're both very polished and well written tools. Quoted:
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I also like IntelliJ, but I don't think it sucks. It's as good as Visual Studio. I use it to write code, refactor it, debug it, and send it to bitbucket source control. All IDEs suck. My biggest beef with IDEA has to do with a plugin that I use occasionally blindly swallowing keypresses, but that's the plugin's fault. I've had good luck with both Visual Studio and Xcode, neither is perfect but they're both very polished and well written tools. I have limited exposure to Xcode, but it manages to infuriate me every time I launch it  For as great as most of the the rest of the OS X GUI is, there's some major stupid in Xcode.
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I have limited exposure to Xcode, but it manages to infuriate me every time I launch it For as great as most of the the rest of the OS X GUI is, there's some major stupid in Xcode.Quoted:
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I also like IntelliJ, but I don't think it sucks. It's as good as Visual Studio. I use it to write code, refactor it, debug it, and send it to bitbucket source control. All IDEs suck. My biggest beef with IDEA has to do with a plugin that I use occasionally blindly swallowing keypresses, but that's the plugin's fault. I've had good luck with both Visual Studio and Xcode, neither is perfect but they're both very polished and well written tools. I have limited exposure to Xcode, but it manages to infuriate me every time I launch it For as great as most of the the rest of the OS X GUI is, there's some major stupid in Xcode.It's driven me nuts on occasions... GUI design is hard. Other than that, it's been pretty good to me. |
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I need to do something similar to this for a non profit, non business, but public website. example website
Basically, I need to have markers and those markers need to be linked to pictures and information. Does anyone know where a starter application or a full app can be bought or downloaded to get me started much quicker? Like I said I am not a Java developer or much of a web developer in general, but I have a lot of other development experience. |
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I need to do something similar to this for a non profit, non business, but public website. example website Basically, I need to have markers and those markers need to be linked to pictures and information. Does anyone know where a starter application or a full app can be bought or downloaded to get me started much quicker? Like I said I am not a Java developer or much of a web developer in general, but I have a lot of other development experience. You don't need java for that. That's just an embedded google map. Start here: http://www.google.com/intl/en/earth/outreach/tutorials/websitemaps.html |
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Hell I still use Notepad++ for quick n dirty troubleshooting in code. Notepad++ is great for log files, scripts, notes, quick static analysis, file compares, code samples, etc. Next to eclipse and burp/zap, notepad++ is probably the most used tool in my box. |
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Quoted: Notepad++ is great for log files, scripts, notes, quick static analysis, file compares, code samples, etc. Next to eclipse and burp/zap, notepad++ is probably the most used tool in my box. Quoted: Quoted: Hell I still use Notepad++ for quick n dirty troubleshooting in code. Notepad++ is great for log files, scripts, notes, quick static analysis, file compares, code samples, etc. Next to eclipse and burp/zap, notepad++ is probably the most used tool in my box. With the Plugins, there is no limit to it's awesomeness. |
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Whats the next big thing? Python? Or I heard that developers were moving back to C or C++ Quoted:
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If you're not a professional java developer then don't mess with java 
Java needs to die a horrible slow painful death Whats the next big thing? Python? Or I heard that developers were moving back to C or C++ Unfortunately..... Javascript. No matter how much I dislike the language it's the everything now in Web and creeping into Mobile. 
Otherwise if you like mobile, Swift is the coolest language next to Ruby I've had the pleasure to use. I love it. |
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If you're not a professional java developer then don't mess with java
Java needs to die a horrible slow painful death Why all the Java hate? 
I'm moving over to Java from .net and find it to be a pretty good language. I'd previously hacked around with Python and Qt and found them horrible for GUI development. The JavaFX SceneBuilder makes it pretty easy to develop complex GUIs...lots of controls including charts, 3d objects, etc. |
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Why all the Java hate?
I'm moving over to Java from .net and find it to be a pretty good language. I'd previously hacked around with Python and Qt and found them horrible for GUI development. The JavaFX SceneBuilder makes it pretty easy to develop complex GUIs...lots of controls including charts, 3d objects, etc. Quoted:
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If you're not a professional java developer then don't mess with java
Java needs to die a horrible slow painful death Why all the Java hate?
I'm moving over to Java from .net and find it to be a pretty good language. I'd previously hacked around with Python and Qt and found them horrible for GUI development. The JavaFX SceneBuilder makes it pretty easy to develop complex GUIs...lots of controls including charts, 3d objects, etc. It's ssssooooooooo sssssllllllooooooowwwwwwww |
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Quoted: Why all the Java hate? I'm moving over to Java from .net and find it to be a pretty good language. I'd previously hacked around with Python and Qt and found them horrible for GUI development. The JavaFX SceneBuilder makes it pretty easy to develop complex GUIs...lots of controls including charts, 3d objects, etc. Quoted: Quoted: If you're not a professional java developer then don't mess with java Java needs to die a horrible slow painful death Why all the Java hate? I'm moving over to Java from .net and find it to be a pretty good language. I'd previously hacked around with Python and Qt and found them horrible for GUI development. The JavaFX SceneBuilder makes it pretty easy to develop complex GUIs...lots of controls including charts, 3d objects, etc. java is evil as shit. |
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Quoted: It's ssssooooooooo sssssllllllooooooowwwwwwww Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you're not a professional java developer then don't mess with java Java needs to die a horrible slow painful death Why all the Java hate? I'm moving over to Java from .net and find it to be a pretty good language. I'd previously hacked around with Python and Qt and found them horrible for GUI development. The JavaFX SceneBuilder makes it pretty easy to develop complex GUIs...lots of controls including charts, 3d objects, etc. It's ssssooooooooo sssssllllllooooooowwwwwwww Insecure Buggy across platforms JRE sucks etc. etc. |
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Dump truck loads of emotion, not even a cc of facts.
I don't find it to be slow. Sure it's slower than c++ but I don't find it's slower than .net. Both have the overhead of their VMs. Both have similar advantages over c++ because of their VMs. I'm an electrical engineer / software developer with more than 20 years experience writing SCADA and industrial control software. I no longer work in the MS dominated corporate world, I have escaped from Microsoft...and I'm never going back. That's a fact, Jack. No more Windows for me...never again. Now I want my apps to run on Linux and OSX...and maybe Windows if my clients insist. So .net is out. I don't find Java buggy at all when my apps are run on linux and OS X. You guys got any facts.or only estrogen? 
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Quoted: Dump truck loads of emotion, not even a cc of facts. I don't find it to be slow. Sure it's slower than c++ but I don't find it's slower than .net. Both have the overhead of their VMs. Both have similar advantages over c++ because of their VMs. I'm an electrical engineer / software developer with more than 20 years experience writing SCADA and industrial control software. I no longer work in the MS dominated corporate world, I have escaped from Microsoft...and I'm never going back. That's a fact, Jack. No more Windows for me...never again. Now I want my apps to run on Linux and OSX...and maybe Windows if my clients insist. So .net is out. I don't find Java buggy at all when my apps are run on linux and OS X. You guys got any facts.or only estrogen? The security issues are enough for me to rule out JAVA. The portability is nice, but the other issues just make it useless to me. If you want to run on Linux though, you'll find even more issues with JAVA because all of the VMs suck. The trouble is that JAVA is one of the few fully portable platforms, so everyone has to go to it. It's not that it's good, there just aren't any players in the field. SCADA huh? Shoot me a PM if you don't mind. I'd like to enlist your help with a project if you are interested. |
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Quoted: At first I thought Python was the way to go for multi platform...but I got over that. Any thoughts on Python / QT. I'll IM ya... Email returned to you. I'm a python and QT guy. I love python. It's also terrible for x-platform. Honestly I don't have a good answer. |
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Dump truck loads of emotion, not even a cc of facts. I don't find it to be slow. Sure it's slower than c++ but I don't find it's slower than .net. Both have the overhead of their VMs. Both have similar advantages over c++ because of their VMs. I'm an electrical engineer / software developer with more than 20 years experience writing SCADA and industrial control software. I no longer work in the MS dominated corporate world, I have escaped from Microsoft...and I'm never going back. That's a fact, Jack. No more Windows for me...never again. Now I want my apps to run on Linux and OSX...and maybe Windows if my clients insist. So .net is out. I don't find Java buggy at all when my apps are run on linux and OS X. You guys got any facts.or only estrogen?
Security aside I think Java has a bad reputation for performance on the client. Several years ago I did a bunch of J2EE mid-tier development in a high transaction system on BEA Weblogic. It was plenty fast to handle the workload that was thrown at it. ETA: We used Borland JBuilder many years ago. Today I use Eclipse as my goto IDE for Java. |
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Quoted: Security aside I think Java has a bad reputation for performance on the client. Several years ago I did a bunch of J2EE mid-tier development in a high transaction system on BEA Weblogic. It was plenty fast to handle the workload that was thrown at it. ETA: We used Borland JBuilder many years ago. Today I use Eclipse as my goto IDE for Java. Quoted: Quoted: Dump truck loads of emotion, not even a cc of facts. I don't find it to be slow. Sure it's slower than c++ but I don't find it's slower than .net. Both have the overhead of their VMs. Both have similar advantages over c++ because of their VMs. I'm an electrical engineer / software developer with more than 20 years experience writing SCADA and industrial control software. I no longer work in the MS dominated corporate world, I have escaped from Microsoft...and I'm never going back. That's a fact, Jack. No more Windows for me...never again. Now I want my apps to run on Linux and OSX...and maybe Windows if my clients insist. So .net is out. I don't find Java buggy at all when my apps are run on linux and OS X. You guys got any facts.or only estrogen? Security aside I think Java has a bad reputation for performance on the client. Several years ago I did a bunch of J2EE mid-tier development in a high transaction system on BEA Weblogic. It was plenty fast to handle the workload that was thrown at it. ETA: We used Borland JBuilder many years ago. Today I use Eclipse as my goto IDE for Java. Java is great on servers. |
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I like IntelliJ but on one of the online courses I am taking, the instructor is using Eclipse...and he is doing the same cool stuff on Eclipse that I do with IntelliJ. Oh noes. But, but, but....I thought IntelliJ was best!
When I drift a bit into sanity, I suppose Eclipse, Netbeans, and IntelliJ are all good and they are all much more similar than they are different. One thing is for certain, if I was a young Java developer who was hoping to land a job at some mega corp somewhere, I would learn an IDE that was used by companies that might employ me. That would sadly eliminate IntelliJ from the list. |
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I like IntelliJ but on one of the online courses I am taking, the instructor is using Eclipse...and he is doing the same cool stuff on Eclipse that I do with IntelliJ. Oh noes. But, but, but....I thought IntelliJ was best! When I drift a bit into sanity, I suppose Eclipse, Netbeans, and IntelliJ are all good and they are all much more similar than they are different. One thing is for certain, if I was a young Java developer who was hoping to land a job at some mega corp somewhere, I would learn an IDE that was used by companies that might employ me. That would sadly eliminate IntelliJ from the list. Choose better companies. Every company I've worked for in the last 6 years (all two of them ) hasn't cared what IDE you use. Both of them would even pay for the one you wanted.
My previous employer was about 50-50 on Eclipse vs IntelliJ. This one is about 80-20, but pretty much all of the better devs use IntelliJ. |
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IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. Quoted:
IntelliJ IDEA is about 10 orders of magnitude better than Eclipse. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, but not NEARLY the collapsed sun of suck that is the Eclipse IDE. I'm a professional Java developer and I'm a huge fan of IntelliJ. Eclipse fucking sucks. I've been using IDEA so long I've forgotten which version I started with. I'd much rather work in IDEA. Alas, to keep management happy I'm back to using the even more bloated RSA version of Eclipse. 
I'm curious why you think IDEA sucks. All IDEs suck. My biggest beef with IDEA has to do with a plugin that I use occasionally blindly swallowing keypresses, but that's the plugin's fault. Ha, read a little further. I don't think you can fault the IDE for that. Quoted:
Java is great on servers. Comparing my company's .NET apps to Java is pretty intersting. I have yet to hear much good about the .NET products. They seem to have shitloads of problems. Is it the language? I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the developers. I think it's pretty telling that some of our guys were pulled in to re-write a failing .NET product. Then some dumbass decided the Java guys needed to learn .NET first. I guess that worked out so well for them they might as well stick with it.  Fortunately, the product ended up dying before they got roped into the debacle.
Our Java web services typically have a SLA of 500ms response times. This isn't always possible due to the large amounts of data we work with sometimes but we hold to it the majority of the time. Last year we processed over 10 billion transactions. Java seems to work just fine. |