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Posted: 12/5/2007 12:28:29 PM EDT
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Israel Feels Alone After Report on Iran


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Dec 5, 4:05 PM (ET)

By STEVE WEIZMAN

JERUSALEM (AP) - A U.S. intelligence assessment that Iran has stopped developing atomic weapons is putting a burden on the Jewish state, which has long relied on Washington to lead the international charge against Iran's nuclear ambitions.

With the U.S. now less likely to take military action, an increasingly nervous Israel might feel compelled to strike out on its own if it perceives a dangerous threat.

Israeli officials say their intelligence forces believe Iran is still working aggressively to build nuclear arms. The Islamic regime in Tehran is strongly opposed to Israel's existence and frequently boasts of its ability to strike the Jewish state with long-range missiles.

"The situation can become tense if they (the Israelis) decided their red line has been crossed," said David Albright, a former U.N. nuclear inspector who now heads the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security. "They may force a military confrontation."



A summary made public Monday of the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate on Iran concluded the Iranians suspended their attempt to build a nuclear weapon four years ago, leading to increased calls within the U.S. for a less confrontational approach to Tehran.

"This forces the Israelis to make a decision instead of being able to take some comfort that the U.S. would take action at some point," said Wayne White, former deputy director of the State Department's Middle East Intelligence Office.

"With Israel, you can be sure they will be unwilling to tolerate as much risk as the U.S. ... because they can get hit," he said.Israel sees

Israel sees Iran as its greatest threat and maintains that country is aggressively pursuing a nuclear weapons program. It responded to the report with a mixture of skepticism and veiled irritation.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak said that despite Washington's assessment, his own intelligence analysis indicates Iran is still trying to develop a nuclear weapon.

"We cannot allow ourselves to rest just because of an intelligence report from the other side of the Earth, even if it is from our greatest friend," Barak said.

Meeting with former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright on Wednesday, Israeli President Shimon Peres said many intelligence assessments around the world have later turned out to have been inaccurate, a statement from his office said.

He did not refer specifically to the flawed 2002 U.S. intelligence estimate of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program.

Iran's military said last month it had produced a new missile with a range of 1,200 miles capable of reaching Israel and U.S. bases across the Mideast.

Peres, who as Defense Ministry director general in the 1960s spearheaded the development of Israel's own nuclear program, told Albright that Iran's heavy investment in missiles could only be intended to deliver a nuclear payload.

"There is absolutely no justification for developing such missiles and equipping them with a conventional warhead," he said.

Israel has never confirmed or denied possessing nuclear weapons, but it is widely believed to have a formidable atomic stockpile.

In 1981 Israeli warplanes penetrated deep into Iraq to destroy an unfinished nuclear reactor near Baghdad to prevent its use in a weapons program.

Israel has since taken delivery of about 80 aircraft fitted with long-range fuel tanks that would allow them to reach Iran, and it has acquired three German-built submarines reportedly capable of firing nuclear-armed missiles, with two more under construction.

Israel says it prefers a diplomatic resolution to the Iran nuclear issue, but has not ruled out taking military action itself if necessary. Israel lives with the memory of the Nazi Holocaust and has vowed never again to rely on anyone but itself to safeguard its people.

Iran funds Islamic groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, both openly dedicated to Israel's destruction, and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

The mood in the Israeli military command after this week's U.S. assessment is one of isolation and disappointment, but nobody is talking about any imminent Israeli strike against Iran, defense officials said Wednesday. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the need not to appear at odds with U.S. policy.

Yossi Melman, veteran defense writer for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, said that if the U.S. view of Iran's nuclear status is correct, it actually reduces the threat to Israel and the likelihood of independent military action.

"If Iran is not heading for a nuclear weapon then you don't need a military option," he said, adding that for Israeli officials a strike was never a very likely choice.

"Israel's ability to carry out a military operation in Iran is limited," he said. "It's possible but limited."

Such a mission would be far more complex that the 1981 Iraq raid, experts say.

It would require heavy precision-guided bombs that can slice into underground bunkers, manned aircraft to bombard multiple targets and possibly commandos on the ground to make sure weapons materials are destroyed.

Melman said Israel's next step could be to redouble its own intelligence efforts in an attempt to prove its case, but that might antagonize the U.S. agencies.

"If Israel didn't have a smoking gun before, why should it find one now?" he said. "If they had the evidence they would have given it to the Americans and influenced their report."

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Associated Press writer Steve Weizman has been reporting from the Middle East since 1985
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:30:05 PM EDT
Repeat a lie long enough and it becomes the truth.

I say we hit em anyways.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:31:18 PM EDT
werd
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:37:01 PM EDT
I'd bet my house on the fact that Israel will drag America into this regardless of what WE THINK OR WANT...AIPAC already has our politicians, media in its pockets.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:41:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1:
I'd bet my house on the fact that Israel will drag America into this regardless of what WE THINK OR WANT...AIPAC already has our politicians, media in its pockets.


Ron Paul would be proud of your nonsense.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:41:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1:
I'd bet my house on the fact that Israel will drag America into this regardless of what WE THINK OR WANT...AIPAC already has our politicians, media in its pockets.



Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:43:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1:
I'd bet my house on the fact that Israel will drag America into this regardless of what WE THINK OR WANT...AIPAC already has our politicians, media in its pockets.


The Joos run just about everything, The Masons run the rest.

We're screwed I tell ya
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:44:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRegulator:

Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1:
I'd bet my house on the fact that Israel will drag America into this regardless of what WE THINK OR WANT...AIPAC already has our politicians, media in its pockets.


Ron Paul would be proud of your nonsense.



Really? I personally could give a rats ass what Ron PaulBOT thinks. Then again it sounds like you must be drinking the AIPAC Kool-Aid
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:44:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:46:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1:
I'd bet my house on the fact that Israel will drag America into this regardless of what WE THINK OR WANT...AIPAC already has our politicians, media in its pockets.


The Joos run just about everything, The Masons run the rest.

We're screwed I tell ya

the masons are our sub-contractors.
We use the blacks as muscle.


Noted.

Keep em down!!!
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 1:08:56 PM EDT
Quite the 180 , I hate to say it but our Intel community has just lost a large part of there credibility.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 1:52:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
Repeat a lie long enough and it becomes the truth.


Like there are WMDs in Iraq? ,...
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 1:52:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MitchAlsup:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
Repeat a lie long enough and it becomes the truth.


Like there are WMDs in Iraq? ,...


There were.

click
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 1:57:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MitchAlsup:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
Repeat a lie long enough and it becomes the truth.


Like there are WMDs in Iraq? ,...


So you are saying the intel community got it wrong on Iraq, so it is obvious that Iran is working on nukes?
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 1:59:56 PM EDT
Israel's definitely (in public) in a weird spot. but this is a net positive situation for EVERYONE except saudi arabia and russia.

This is a GREAT development for us, for Israel, for Iraq, etc.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 2:00:27 PM EDT
When you start getting intelligence reports that contradict themselves, you have SERIOUS problems.
Either someone was bought out by Iran to publish this, or perhaps even worse is conspirators at home.. Either way it doesn't look good no matter how you look at it.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 2:04:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
Israel's definitely (in public) in a weird spot. but this is a net positive situation for EVERYONE except saudi arabia and russia.

This is a GREAT development for us, for Israel, for Iraq, etc.



Drop the other shoe.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 2:05:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 2:07:14 PM EDT
Just how many nuclear research facility does the UN expect Isreal to take out for them? First Iraq's, then Syria's, now Iran's?

Thank God Isreal does the dirty work of all the other nations who don't have the balls.

Link Posted: 12/5/2007 2:11:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Angelshare1:
Just how many nuclear research facility does the UN expect Isreal to take out for them? First Iraq's, then Syria's, now Iran's?

Thank God Isreal does the dirty work of all the other nations who don't have the balls.



Yeah meanwhile back in reality, their intel already knew of the situation, but did not disclose the info to the US because they would have lost their support for extending our fight in the middle east into Iran. When Israel takes the field with our troops against Iraq or the Taliban let me know, in the mean time the true allies of the US are actually still playing ball.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 2:11:46 PM EDT
Bomb the crap out of them regardless.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 2:26:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Angelshare1:
Just how many nuclear research facility does the UN expect Isreal to take out for them? First Iraq's, then Syria's, now Iran's?

Thank God Isreal does the dirty work of all the other nations who don't have the balls.



Damn right.

Implications of Israeli troops in the Middle east coalition would have put quite a different twist on the 'ole ball game.

This whole chit stinks to high Heaven and Bin-Laden, Al-Qiada, et al are correct as we- yes we, are all fawning over this news. Saddam had no WMD's and Iran is clean- you gotta kiddin' me.
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