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Link Posted: 4/10/2024 7:33:28 PM EDT
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Don’t start none.  Won’t be none.
Link Posted: 4/10/2024 7:42:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
That looks like Qatar, he must be one of the billionaires
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Interesting that the guy is just randomly hanging around in a hospital....
Link Posted: 4/10/2024 8:56:20 PM EDT
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Amazon has a good book in their Daily Deals for Kindle for $2.99--"Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the United States".
Link here.
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Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 10 April

Discussion of Iranian situation in spoiler
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Key Takeaways:

Gaza Strip
Palestinian militias conducted several indirect fire attacks targeting Israeli forces in the northern Gaza Strip.  Hamas and the Palestinian Mujahideen Movement conducted a joint mortar attack targeting Israeli forces in southwest Gaza City.

The Air Force struck a launch site from which Palestinian fighters had targeted Israeli forces in Shujaiya. Hamas claimed a mortar attack targeting Israeli forces in Shujaiya.

The Palestinian Mujahideen Movement claimed that it fired a man-portable air defense system at an Israeli fighter jet in western Gaza City.

The Air Force conducted an airstrike on April 10 that killed three sons of Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Ismail Haniyeh in the northern Gaza Strip. The IDF reported that Haniyeh’s sons were Hamas fighters en route from al Shati camp to conduct an attack in the central Gaza Strip.

The IDF said that one of the sons was a squad leader and the other two sons were fighters in Hamas’ military wing. . It is notable that Haniyeh‘s sons—three Hamas fighters—were using al Shati camp as a rear base to conduct attacks further south, given that Israeli forces re-cleared areas of al Shati in early February 2024.

Several regional leaders, including Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, called Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Ismail Haniyeh to offer their condolences following the Israeli airstrike that targeted three of Haniyeh’s sons.

The IDF Nahal Brigade continued clearing operations in the central Gaza Strip.  The Nahal Brigade is operating around the border of the central and northern strip to secure the Israeli highway and bases nearby.  The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades conducted a mortar attack on an IDF command site near the Netzarim corridor.

Israeli Army Radio reported Israel would not open the Erez crossing in the northern Gaza Strip for aid transports.

Palestinian fighters did not conduct any indirect fire attacks from the Gaza Strip into Israel on April 10.

West Bank
Israeli forces engaged Palestinian fighters in Tulkarm in the West Bank.

Israeli forces detained nine wanted individuals across the West Bank during overnight operations.  Israeli forces detained three wanted individuals and confiscated small arms in Qalandiya near Ramallah and detained six other individuals in Tulkarm.  Israeli forces also seized weapons and money near Hebron.

Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights-Syria
Lebanese Hezbollah conducted at least two attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel.  

The IDF struck a Syrian Arab Army (SAA) site operated by Lebanese Hezbollah in southern Syria.  

Yemen
US CENTCOM reported that it intercepted a Houthi anti-ship ballistic missile in the Gulf of Aden. CENTCOM said the Houthi attack was likely targeting the US-flagged and owned commercial vessel the MV Yorktown.  Houthis claimed they conducted two attacks targeting US-flagged vessels, including the Yorktown and an unspecified US warship.

The Houthis also claimed two attacks targeting two “Israeli” commercial vessels named the MSC Gina and the MSC Darwin.  CENTCOM reported on April 9 that there were no injuries or damage to commercial or military vessels.  UK Maritime Trade Operations reported that there were no security alerts from April 9 and 10. (The Houthis are lying to hide the dramatic reduction in missile/drone attacks on shipping in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden).

Houthi-affiliated media claimed that the United States conducted airstrikes near Hudaydah on April 10.

Iran
Bloomberg reported that Iran or its proxies may conduct missile or drone strikes targeting military and government facilities in Israel in the coming days in response to the April 1 Israeli airstrike that killed seven IRGC officials in Damascus.

Iran and its Axis of Resistance have been engaged in a coordinated campaign to economically isolate Israel by encouraging Muslim nations to sever economic relations with Israel throughout the Israel-Hamas War.

The Washington Post reported Iran is rapidly accumulating enriched uranium at its Fordow enrichment facility outside of Qom.

Iraq
Asaib Ahl al Haq Secretary General Qais al Khazali hinted that Iranian-backed Iraqi militias could resume attacking US forces if Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammad Shia al Sudani’s upcoming visit to Washington, DC, fails to facilitate the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq.

Political Negotiations
Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Ismail Haniyeh said that Israel would not get more concessions in the negotiations from Hamas after an IDF strike in the Gaza Strip killed three of his children.
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Houthis had been shooting and flying fewer drones and missiles.

U.S. Central Command. @CENTCOM. April 10 Red Sea Update

Between approximately 4:15 a.m. and 6:00 a.m. (Sanaa time) on April 10, U.S. Central Command (USCENTCOM) forces successfully engaged three unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) launched from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen. Two UAVs were launched over the Gulf of Aden and one UAV was launched over the Red Sea. There were no injuries or damage reported by U.S., coalition, or commercial ships.

Then between approximately 7:50 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. (Sanaa time), USCENTCOM forces successfully engaged and destroyed eight UAVs in Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen in self-defense.
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Remains of Haniyeh brothers car


Netanyahu: We have a new principle – whoever hurts us, we hurt him
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited an Israeli air force base in Tel Nof in southern Israel, and received an overview from commanders at the base on their activities throughout the last few months.

During his visit, Netanyahu said, "We are in challenging times. We are in the middle of the war in Gaza which continues in full force, and at the same time we continue our non-stop efforts to return the hostage, but we are also preparing for challenging scenarios in other arenas."

"We established a simple principle: whoever hurts us, we hurt him. We are preparing to meet the security needs of the State of Israel, both in defense and attack."
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IDF: We killed a Hamas financial operative in Rafah
The IDF announced that it had killed a key member of Hamas' military wing involved in its financial funding in a joint attack with the Shin Bet in the southern Gaza city of Rafah.

The military also announced that over the past few days, its forces had been operating in the Shejaiyeh neighborhood in eastern Gaza City. Additionally, they raided a Hamas outpost, killed militants and destroyed the organization's infrastructure in the area.
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IDF launches offensive in central Gaza
The IDF announced that it began an operation overnight in the center of the Gaza Strip, the goal of which is to kill Hamas members and destroy the organization's infrastructure in the area.

Prior to the entry of Israeli forces, the air force reportedly attacked dozens of above and below ground targets in the area.

Earlier, Palestinian media reported dead and wounded in attacked on a school and residential building in Nuseirat refugee camp in the central Gaza Strip.
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Translation--The combat team of the 401st Brigade, Nahal, and other units under the command of the 162nd Division began tonight a targeted operation to eliminate terrorists and destroy terrorist infrastructure in the center of the Gaza Strip
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U.S. CENTCOM commander lands in Israel, set to meet IDF chief
The commander of U.S. Central Command arrived in Israel and is expected to meet with the IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi and other senior officials.

The CENTCOM commander, Gen. Michael Kurilla, is in regular contact with senior Israeli military officials.
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Killing of Hamas Leader's Sons Won't Torpedo Deal, but Could Postpone It More
As the devastation and killing in Gaza has escalated since the war started, the Hamas leaders who live outside Gaza, especially Haniyeh, have faced growing criticism among Palestinians and around the Arab world about their living in luxury in Qatar while the people of Gaza are left to contend with the Israeli destruction machine.

Palestinians, particularly those in Gaza, perceive the killing of three sons of Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas politburo, as an Israeli act of revenge and frustration, not an impressive military action that will shake Hamas deeply enough to throw it off balance.

Haniyeh's sons were not classified as operatives whose elimination would signal an in-depth intelligence penetration of Hamas – and the strike on them has only strengthened Haniyeh's status among the Hamas leadership and the Palestinian public.

Entire article in spoiler--Source article.  Analysis piece by long-time military correspondent for Haaretz.  Yes, it is a leftist paper, but has some good background information.
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Here are the latest updates on day 188 of the war
■ U.S. Central Command chief lands in Israel and is expected to meet senior officials including IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi.

■ The IDF launched a military offensive in central Gaza overnight in which Israeli forces entered the Nuseirat refugee camp after the air force targeted Hamas infrastructure.

■ Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry reported that 33,545 have been killed since the beginning of the war.

■ IDF Spokesman, Daniel Hagari, said that he expects the number of aid trucks entering Gaza daily to soon reach 500, noting the average number currently stands at 250.

■ Israeli police and army reopened the Nitzana border crossing after dispersing dozens of protesters blocking the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza.

■ Medical sources in Gaza reported six killed in an airstrike in the southern Gaza city of Rafah.

■ German and Iranian foreign ministers discuss Middle East tensions over phone call
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Source of articles below.

The IDF says it carried out a pinpoint operation in Gaza City’s Shejaiya neighborhood over the past few days.
During the raid carried out by the Gaza Division’s Northern Brigade, troops killed numerous gunmen and destroyed sites belonging to Hamas, according to the IDF.

One of the sites raided by the troops was a Hamas training base. The IDF says that after the raid, the Hamas outpost was destroyed in an airstrike.
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US officials tell the Wall Street Journal that there are fears that most of the Israeli hostages in Hamas captivity could be dead.
he report comes amid talks to secure a hostage release deal and a truce, with some Hamas sources indicating that they are unable to provide 40 living hostages from the elderly, women and female soldiers that Israel is demanding.

It is believed that 129 hostages abducted by Hamas on October 7 remain in Gaza. The IDF has confirmed the deaths of 34 of those still held by Hamas, citing intelligence and findings obtained by troops operating in Gaza.

However, the WSJ report says that “Israeli and American officials estimate privately that the number of deaths could be much higher.”

Some US estimates indicate that most of the hostages are already dead, US officials familiar with the intelligence tell the paper.

They stress, however, that US information on the hostages is limited and depends, in part, on Israeli intelligence.

The report quotes US officials as saying that some were likely killed during Israeli strikes on Gaza, while others have died from health issues, including injuries suffered during their initial capture.

Hamas terrorists took 253 hostages during the October 7 assault in which they also killed some 1,200 people.

A hundred and five hostages were released from Hamas captivity during a weeklong truce in late November, and four hostages were released prior to that. Three hostages have been rescued by troops alive, and the bodies of 12 hostages have also been recovered, including three mistakenly killed by the military.

One more person is listed as missing since October 7, and their fate is still unknown.

Hamas is also holding the bodies of fallen IDF soldiers Oron Shaul and Hadar Goldin since 2014, as well as two Israeli civilians, Avera Mengistu and Hisham al-Sayed, who are both thought to be alive after entering the Strip of their own accord in 2014 and 2015 respectively.
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no shit
Link Posted: 4/11/2024 12:33:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/11/2024 12:40:26 PM EDT
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Thanks Michigan66 and others for keeping this updated.

My other 2 two YouTube sources, War Stream and Raptor News are apparently no longer functioning.

Raptor news has been wiped clean except for some old cartoon videos. Anybody know what's going on with that?
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Originally Posted By 0002s:


no shit
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Originally Posted By BM1455:


no shit


I'm surprised, frankly.  The hostages are-were-worth their weight in gold to Hamas.  If it's true most hostages are dead but negotiations continued as if they were alive, Hamas made Qatar look like a bunch of jackasses.  Biting the hand that feeds them.

The anti-Netanyahu protests in Israel in could become very interesting.

Originally Posted By TugJob:
Thanks Michigan66 and others for keeping this updated.

YW.  Most of the English language channels on Gaza are leftist.  At this point in time I'd start looking for sources in Lebanon/Syria.
Link Posted: 4/11/2024 1:11:00 PM EDT
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Joe boy likely sent them a huge sack of money to back off.
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Sullivan and Blinken are just smart as whips.
Link Posted: 4/11/2024 1:40:08 PM EDT
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It our people weren't already operating with that as their default assumption then they're idiots.
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The father of the late female soldier Shir Hajjaj, who was murdered in a Palestinian terrorist attack in Jerusalem, came to the room where a Hamas terrorist was hospitalized in Hadassah Hospital and cried out his heart.



The IDF says it launched a "targeted operation" against Hamas in the central Gaza Strip overnight, on the outskirts of Nuseirat, an area where ground troops have not yet operated in during the ongoing war.



The IDF says fighter jets carried out a strike earlier on a building in southern Lebanon's Ayta ash-Shab, where Hezbollah terrorist were gathered.



The IDF's new and extended humanitarian aid measures:



Mosab Hassan Yousef, Son of Hamas, with the truth you never heard before:

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Originally Posted By michigan66:

I'm surprised, frankly.  The hostages are-were-worth their weight in gold to Hamas.  If it's true most hostages are dead but negotiations continued as if they were alive, Hamas made Qatar look like a bunch of jackasses.  Biting the hand that feeds them.

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Hamas and more importantly those that carried this attack out don’t strike me as too smart. They raped woman, killed people indiscriminately, killed elderly and children.

The majority of the hostages were dead day 1. The amount of POWs and intelligence the Israelites  have lets them know what to expect.

-jm2c
Link Posted: 4/11/2024 5:16:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shotar:
So the chef was in cahoots with Hamas all along and it appears their convoy was being used as cover/decoy when it was hit. War zones are inherently dangerous.
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Originally Posted By michigan66:


I'm surprised, frankly.  The hostages are-were-worth their weight in gold to Hamas.  If it's true most hostages are dead but negotiations continued as if they were alive, Hamas made Qatar look like a bunch of jackasses.  Biting the hand that feeds them.
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You're aware they've been kicked out of and/or cut off from every single state (except Iran now, but they'll do something there too eventually) that has tried to help them over the years because they ALWAYS do the same shit?

Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and even Morocco all kicked them out and told them to go F themselves. It would actually be pretty hilarious if they had just kept it within the arabs.


Anyways, I'm not surprised. I posted here a few pages ago that my reliable and good sources were rumoring about a week ago that Israel knew full well that the hostages were dead, and was making exceptionally generous cease-fire offers to only serve to undermine any legitimacy that hamas might have had left.

The capacity for an arab, especially a pali, to absolutely go full retard in a fighting situation just can not be underestimated. There is no way, not in a million years, that after the first shot was fired each little group didn't devolve into pure chaos, regardless of whatever their orders were (presumably to take as many hostages as possible). Couple that with the fact that in order to coordinate the whole thing the plans must have been exceptionally simple, probably just "at X time, we're going into Y place to grab Jews and return to point Q." Beyond that, I doubt any of the actual terrorists had much knowledge of any bigger strategic plan.

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World kitchen thing.
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yes but there are many details missing from a random arfcommer post
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If the post below seems sarcastic, please overlook that.  I'm not trying to be a jerk; if my tone makes it seem that way, I apologize in advance.

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Hamas and more importantly those that carried this attack out don’t strike me as too smart. They raped woman, killed people indiscriminately, killed elderly and children.

The majority of the hostages were dead day 1. The amount of POWs and intelligence the Israelites  have lets them know what to expect.

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Originally Posted By michigan66:

I'm surprised, frankly.  The hostages are-were-worth their weight in gold to Hamas.  If it's true most hostages are dead but negotiations continued as if they were alive, Hamas made Qatar look like a bunch of jackasses.  Biting the hand that feeds them.



Hamas and more importantly those that carried this attack out don’t strike me as too smart. They raped woman, killed people indiscriminately, killed elderly and children.

The majority of the hostages were dead day 1. The amount of POWs and intelligence the Israelites  have lets them know what to expect.

-jm2c


Nearly 50% of the hostages were released or rescued; counting videos of yet unreleased hostages and the four killed by the IDF or in an unsuccessful rescue attempt, a majority of hostages was demonstrably alive long after 7 Oct.  

Hostages for prisoners has a long history in Israel's wars, and everyone , even the slowest Gazan, knows that.  One of the hostages was a nurse who spoke Arabic; she said the group that kidnapped her and others brought them to Hamas and "sold" them.  Sinwar needed a big prisoner release to raise Hamas's standing among Palestinian militant groups.  He knew all his mortars, IEDs and rockets wouldn't give him leverage to free anyone; he needed hostages.  Using only IDF soldiers as hostages wasn't a sure thing, in the last Gaza war in May 2021 they were unable to capture any, so the planning for al-Aqsa flood incorporated kidnapping civilians along with as many soldiers as they could..

Killing hostages en masse while they still had "trade value" would destroy any chance for a major exchange in this war and any future wars.

A far as what they did in Israel, that was planned to incite Israeli rage which then would lead to an extreme reaction designed to make Israel look bad, jeopardize relations with friendly or neutral governments in the region, and drive a wedge between Israel and the US.  It seems to be working.

Originally Posted By _Nataraja_:

You're aware they've been kicked out of and/or cut off from every single state (except Iran now, but they'll do something there too eventually) that has tried to help them over the years because they ALWAYS do the same shit?

Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and even Morocco all kicked them out and told them to go F themselves. It would actually be pretty hilarious if they had just kept it within the arabs.

Anyways, I'm not surprised. I posted here a few pages ago that my reliable and good sources were rumoring about a week ago that Israel knew full well .


Could you post the info on when Morocco kicked the PLO or Palestinians out?  I can't find it anywhere.  Thanks in advance.

I don't buy Netanyahu making big concessions just to make Hamas look bad.  If that were case, he should say something now to take the focus off Israel and the bad press they've had this week.  Negotiating for dead hostages would also make the Qataris look like fools, which in turn would threaten Hamas's relations with their #1 paymaster and safe haven.

There is no way, not in a million years, that after the first shot was fired each little group didn't devolve into pure chaos, regardless of whatever their orders were
Sure didn't look that way the morning of 7 Oct.  The first wave into Israel didn't fall apart and degenerate into a mob.  That wave managed to tear up the Golani brigade to such a degree that some units in the brigade saw more soldiers killed in 8 hours on Oct 7th than they lost in the Six Day and Yom Kippur wars combined.

If what you say is true, it makes the IDF look terrible--they were outthought and outfought by undisciplined morons.  It was also the reaction of Southern Command's leaders when they were shown intelligence pointing to a massive attack.  They said Hamas wasn't smart enough to carry it out.

Combat so far hasn't shown the Arabs in Gaza to be chaotic and stupid at all.

Couple that with the fact that in order to coordinate the whole thing the plans must have been exceptionally simple, probably just "at X time, we're going into Y place to grab Jews and return to point Q." Beyond that, I doubt any of the actual terrorists had much knowledge of any bigger strategic plan.


Ordinary shitbird Gazans went into Israel to capture hostages who they then sold to bigger groups.  They might not understand all the "whys" of the kidnapping, but they did know it was important.

In the run up to Oct 7th, an NCO in Unit 8200 intercepted comms during a Hamas exercise where militants simulated taking hostages.  Hamas fighters were given papers with commands in Hebrew to allow them to communicate with the hostages.  Why go to all that trouble just to immediately kill the hostages in Gaza?

But maybe I'm mistaken, maybe Palestinians really took ~200 prisoners back to Gaza, fed them and dedicated "soldiers" to guard them, all so they could murder them at their leisure as they became bored. 50 years of precedent for how they treat and use kidnap victims was ignored because the "Palis" are cretins.

You all have posted your opinion on the subject, and I've posted mine. I won't change your minds and you won't change mine.  I've enjoyed the discussion, but I've said all I'm going to say on this; no need to drag out the same things I've posted since before Thanksgiving.
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If the post below seems sarcastic, please overlook that.  I'm not trying to be a jerk; if my tone makes it seem that way, I apologize in advance.



Nearly 50% of the hostages were released or rescued; counting videos of yet unreleased hostages and the four killed by the IDF or in an unsuccessful rescue attempt, a majority of hostages was demonstrably alive long after 7 Oct.  

Hostages for prisoners has a long history in Israel's wars, and everyone , even the slowest Gazan, knows that.  One of the hostages was a nurse who spoke Arabic; she said the group that kidnapped her and others brought them to Hamas and "sold" them.  Sinwar needed a big prisoner release to raise Hamas's standing among Palestinian militant groups.  He knew all his mortars, IEDs and rockets wouldn't give him leverage to free anyone; he needed hostages.  Using only IDF soldiers as hostages wasn't a sure thing, in the last Gaza war in May 2021 they were unable to capture any, so the planning for al-Aqsa flood incorporated kidnapping civilians along with as many soldiers as they could..

Killing hostages en masse while they still had "trade value" would destroy any chance for a major exchange in this war and any future wars.

A far as what they did in Israel, that was planned to incite Israeli rage which then would lead to an extreme reaction designed to make Israel look bad, jeopardize relations with friendly or neutral governments in the region, and drive a wedge between Israel and the US.  It seems to be working.



Could you post the info on when Morocco kicked the PLO out?  I can't find it anywhere.

I don't buy Netanyahu making big concessions just to make Hamas look bad.  If that were case, he should say something now to take the focus off Israel and the bad press they've had this week.  Negotiating for dead hostages would also make the Qataris look like fools, which in turn would threaten Hamas's relations with their #1 paymaster and safe haven.

Sure didn't look that way the morning of 7 Oct.  The first wave into Israel didn't fall apart and degenerate into a mob.  That wave managed to tear up the Golani brigade to such a degree that some units in the brigade saw more soldiers killed in 8 hours on Oct 7th than they lost in the Six Day and Yom Kippur wars combined.

It makes the IDF look terrible, as they were outthought and outfought by undisciplined morons.  It was also the reaction of Southern Command's leaders when they were shown intelligence pointing to a massive attack.  They said Hamas wasn't smart enough to carry it out.

Combat so far hasn't shown the Arabs in Gaza to be chaotic and stupid at all.



Ordinary shitbird Gazans went into Israel to capture hostages who they then sold to bigger groups.  They might not understand all the "whys" of the kidnapping, but they did know it was important.

In the run up to Oct 7th, an NCO in Unit 8200 intercepted comms during a Hamas exercise where militants simulated taking hostages.  Hamas fighters were given papers with commands in Hebrew to communicate with the hostages.  Why go to all that trouble just to immediately kill the hostages in Gaza?

But maybe I'm mistaken, maybe Palestinians really took ~200 prisoners back to Gaza, fed them and dedicated "soldiers" to guard them, all so they could murder them at their leisure as they became bored. 50 years of precedent for how they treat and use kidnap victims was ignored because the "Palis" are cretins.

You all have posted your opinion on the subject, and I've posted mine. I won't change your minds and you won't change mine.  I've enjoyed the discussion, but I've said all I'm going to say on this; no need to drag out the same things I've posted since before Thanksgiving.
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Yeah, heck of a plan Brownie.  Except somebody didn’t count on the Jews saying, ‘fuck it’ let’s burn this motherfucker down.  Attempting to make your enemy look bad and negotiate for hostages only works when your enemy gives a shit about their looks and negotiations.

Someone read the room wrong.
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Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 11 April

Key Takeaways:

Gaza Strip
Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant clarified that Israel’s war aim in the Gaza Strip is to prevent Hamas from conducting another October 7-style attack into Israel again.  That is what Israeli leaders mean when they say that they seek to destroy Hamas as a military organization.

Gallant added that the IDF has already destroyed four of Hamas’ five brigades and that Israeli forces are currently contending with “hotspots” of militia activity across the Gaza Strip.  The remaining [Hamas] brigade not yet destroyed is in Rafah.

Israel has destroyed a large quantity of Hamas’ military infrastructure and weapons as well as killed thousands of fighters in the Gaza.  Hamas fighters are currently operating as small squad- and platoon-sized cells instead of the well-organized structure they had prior to the war.

The Israel Defense Forces conducted a raid in Shujaiya in the northern Gaza. The IDF Northern Brigade (Gaza Division) has conducted “targeted activities” in the area recently, including killing Palestinian fighters and destroying military infrastructure, such as a Hamas training base.

Palestinian militias conducted several attacks targeting Israeli forces in the northern Gaza. The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades mortared Israeli vehicles south of Gaza City.  Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) separately said that it conducted a sniper attack in al Taqa, east of Gaza City.

The IDF announced it conducted an operation targeting Hamas outside Nuseirat in the central Gaza Strip. The IDF Nahal Brigade and 401st Brigade led the operation.  The Air Force coordinated with the 215th Artillery Brigade (162nd Division) and directed airstrikes targeting dozens of Palestinian fighters and military infrastructure before Israeli ground forces entered the area.  

The Nahal Brigade identified a fighter emerging from a tunnel, and the IDF Air Force conducted an airstrike targeting the fighter as they approached Israeli forces.  The Navy separately conducted several strikes targeting Palestinian fighters along the central Gaza coast.

The Palestinian Mujahideen Movement and Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine–General Command (PFLP-GC) conducted a combined mortar attack targeting Israeli forces north of Nuseirat refugee camp.  This event marks the second known instance of the PFLP-GC attacking the IDF in the Gaza since the war began.

The IDF and Shin Bet killed a Hamas fighter who was responsible for financing Hamas military activities in Rafah.  The IDF said that the fighter transferred hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hamas in December 2023 for its operations in Rafah.

Israeli media reported on April 11 that an IDF Southern Command colonel approved the airstrike that killed three sons of Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Ismail Haniyeh in the northern Gaza. Israeli media reported that senior Israeli officials, including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi, were not aware of the strike before it occurred.

Israeli media reported that the IDF targeted Haniyeh’s sons for their involvement in holding Israeli hostages.  

Unspecified Palestinian fighters conducted an indirect fire attack from the central Gaza.  Israeli Army Radio reported that four munitions fell short inside the Gaza.  No Palestinian militia has claimed responsibility for the attack at the time of this writing.

West Bank
Israeli forces engaged Palestinian fighters in Tulkarm and arrested six wanted individuals and seized small arms. Israeli forces separately arrested an individual in Hebron on suspicion of planning to conduct a stabbing attack.

Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights
Lebanese Hezbollah has conducted at least three attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel.

Yemen
US CENTCOM confirmed that it intercepted three Houthi drones over the Gulf of Aden and Red Sea.  Houthis claimed they conducted several attacks targeting commercial and military vessels in the Gulf of Aden.

US CENTCOM preemptively struck eight Houthi drones in Houthi-controlled Yemen.  Houthi-affiliated media separately claimed that the United States conducted airstrikes near Hudaydah on April 10.

Iraq
Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammad Shia al Sudani wrote an article for Foreign Affairs reiterating his intention to end the US-led international coalition’s presence in Iraq and transition to a “comprehensive” bilateral relationship with the United States.

Iran
Iran appears to be exploiting the uncertainty surrounding its reported “imminent” attack against Israel to stoke psychological terror in Israel. Western media reported on April 10 that Iran could launch drone and missile strikes into Israel imminently in retaliation for the IDF strike in Damascus.

Iranian state media posted on X (Twitter) later on April 10 that the Iranian defense minister announced the closure of the airspace around Tehran for a military exercise.  Iranian regime-affiliated channels then began circulating posts suggesting that an Iranian attack into Israel would soon occur.

The coincidence of these posts led to extensive public speculation that Iran would launch an attack into Israel while the airspace around Tehran was closed. Iranian state media shortly thereafter retracted the claims of Iranian airspace being closed and denied that the Iranian defense minister made any related announcement.

The publication and retraction of these reports is bizarre,  Iranian military and political officials have boasted in recent days that the impending nature of their attack is itself damaging to Israel, suggesting that the media reports may have been part of a sophisticated information operation.

Stoking terror in Israel is consistent with CTP-ISW’s previous observation that Iranian leaders want the Israel-Hamas war to catalyze migration away from Israel and thereby erode the long-term viability of the Jewish state.
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Iran Smuggles Arms to West Bank, Officials Say, to Foment Unrest With Israel

Interesting discussion on routes Iran uses to get arms to militants in the West Bank.  What isn't talked about is the source of the weapons.  I know Iran makes M4 clones, but if these are the arms seized in Israel I'd expect to see that publicized.  Are they stolen from or sold by the PA, stolen from the Jordanian military, Iraq,  Afghanistan?  Nobody is saying.

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Most likely they are Chinese made, i forget the designation, but iran has been showing them off in parades for decades.

The ones I'm familiar with are based off the A1, they had their carry handles cut off and a pic or weaver rail bolted on
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French Ministry of Foreign Affairs says that due to the risk of military escalation in the Middle East:

- French citizens are advised to avoid all travel to Iran, Lebanon, Israel and the Palestinian Territories in the coming days.
- The families of diplomats are leaving Tehran
- French civil servant missions in these same countries are banned.
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Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez on Friday said there were "clear signs" in Europe that countries in the region are prepared to recognize a Palestinian state.

Sanchez met earlier with his Norwegian counterpart Jonas Gahr Store in Oslo amid his diplomatic campaign to garner support for the recognition of Palestinian statehood.
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Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez on Friday said there were "clear signs" in Europe that countries in the region are prepared to recognize a Palestinian state.

Sanchez met earlier with his Norwegian counterpart Jonas Gahr Store in Oslo amid his diplomatic campaign to garner support for the recognition of Palestinian statehood.


Netanyahu to conduct security assessment amid preparations for potential Iranian attack
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will conduct a security situation assessment on Friday amid preparations for a possible Iranian attack. He will be joined by Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, Minister Benny Gantz and senior members of the defense establishment.


IDF and Shin Bet say head of Hamas' internal security in Jabalya killed on Thursday in airstrike
The IDF confirmed on Friday reports that it killed the head of Hamas' internal security in the Jabalya area, Radoan Radoan, on Thursday. According to the army, Radoan was responsible for the damage to humanitarian aid trucks in northern Gaza.


Wall Street Journal: Israel is preparing for a direct attack from Iran in the next 48 hours
The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday that Israel is preparing for a direct attack from Iran, in southern or northern Israel, in the next 48 hours. According to the report, the leadership in Iran discussed plans for an attack, but has not decided how to proceed.

An American official said Thursday night that U.S. intelligence reports indicate that Iran's attack may be on Israeli territory, and not on Israeli targets abroad.


Discussion on Iranian "head games" around retaliatory strikes from the ISW
Iran appears to be exploiting the uncertainty surrounding its reported “imminent” attack against Israel to stoke psychological terror in Israel. Western media reported on April 10 that Iran could launch drone and missile strikes into Israel imminently in retaliation for the IDF strike in Damascus.

Iranian state media posted on X (Twitter) later on April 10 that the Iranian defense minister announced the closure of the airspace around Tehran for a military exercise.  Iranian regime-affiliated channels then began circulating posts suggesting that an Iranian attack into Israel would soon occur.

The coincidence of these posts led to extensive public speculation that Iran would launch an attack into Israel while the airspace around Tehran was closed. Iranian state media shortly thereafter retracted the claims of Iranian airspace being closed and denied that the Iranian defense minister made any related announcement.

The publication and retraction of these reports is bizarre,  Iranian military and political officials have boasted in recent days that the impending nature of their attack is itself damaging to Israel, suggesting that the media reports may have been part of a sophisticated information operation.


The Red Crescent reported on Friday the death of a 22-year-old Palestinian who was killed in clashes with the Israeli army in the al-Fara refugee camp, near the city of Tubas, in the northeastern West Bank.

According to witnesses at the scene, the clashes took place at night, when forces entered the area to arrest wanted persons. Two people were also wounded. One is in serious condition, and a 17-year-old is in moderate condition.


Palestinian killed in Tubas
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WSJ--Iranian Attack Expected on Israel in Next Two Days

Earlier this week, Iran’s Revolutionary Guard contacted the country’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei with several options to strike Israeli interests, said an adviser to the paramilitary force. The scenarios under consideration include a direct attack on Israel with sophisticated medium-range missiles, he said.

In recent hours, social-media accounts close to the Revolutionary Guard have posted videos showing simulated missile attacks on Israel’s Haifa airport and its nuclear facility in Dimona. An Iranian official has also previously said Iran would strike at Israel’s power and desalination plants if attacked.

But Khamenei has yet to decide on the plans. He is concerned a direct attack could backfire with the projectiles being intercepted and Israel responding with a massive retaliation on Iran’s strategic infrastructure. “The strike plans are in front of the Supreme Leader and he is still weighing the political risk,” the adviser said.  (This isn't a minor concern.  PGMs are Iran's main threat for Israel and others in the region.  If they launch a strike that Israel intercepts it would be a huge blow).

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TEL AVIV—Israel is preparing for a direct attack from Iran on southern or northern Israel as soon as Friday or Saturday, according to a person familiar with the matter. A person briefed by the Iranian leadership, however, said that while plans to attack are being discussed, no final decision has been made.

Iran has publicly threatened to retaliate for an attack last week in Damascus, Syria, that Tehran said was an Israeli airstrike on a diplomatic building. The strike killed top Iranian military officials, including a senior member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force.

Earlier this week, U.S. intelligence reports showed that an attack on Israeli assets by Iran or its proxies could be imminent, but a source says it now appears that the attack could be within Israel’s borders.

A U.S. official with knowledge of the matter said Thursday that American intelligence reports indicate an Iranian retaliatory strike within days, “possibly on Israeli soil” as opposed to Israeli interests elsewhere.

On Thursday, the American Embassy in Israel said U.S. government employees and family members would be restricted from any personal travel outside of central Israel, Jerusalem and Beersheba until further notice.

Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, commander of U.S. Central Command, which is responsible for military operations in the Middle East, was in Israel on Thursday, defense officials said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking from an air base in southern Israel, also on Thursday, vowed to respond directly against any attack on Israel. “Whoever harms us, we will harm them. We are prepared to meet all of the security needs of the State of Israel, both defensively and offensively,” he said.

Syria also accused Israel of carrying out the attack, which killed Gen. Mohammad Reza Zahedi, who managed Iranian paramilitary operations in Syria and Lebanon, according to Iranian state media and U.S. officials. Zahedi was the highest-ranking Iranian military official to be killed since the January 2020 U.S. assassination of Gen. Qassem Soleimani in Baghdad.

At least six other Iranian militants were killed in the strike, Iran’s Revolutionary Guard said.

An Israeli military spokesman said that intelligence showed the building hit in Damascus wasn’t a diplomatic facility but a building that the Quds Force uses and is disguised as a civilian site.

Earlier this week, Iran’s Revolutionary Guard contacted the country’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei with several options to strike Israeli interests, said an adviser to the paramilitary force. The scenarios under consideration include a direct attack on Israel with sophisticated medium-range missiles, he said.

In recent hours, social-media accounts close to the Revolutionary Guard have posted videos showing simulated missile attacks on Israel’s Haifa airport and its nuclear facility in Dimona. An Iranian official has also previously said Iran would strike at Israel’s power and desalination plants if attacked.

But Khamenei has yet to decide on the plans. He is concerned a direct attack could backfire with the projectiles being intercepted and Israel responding with a massive retaliation on Iran’s strategic infrastructure. “The strike plans are in front of the Supreme Leader and he is still weighing the political risk,” the adviser said.

The scenarios involve attacks by Tehran’s proxies in Syria and Iraq, for which Iran delivered drones out of warehouses in recent days, according to advisers to the IRGC and the Syrian government.

Iran and its allies could also attack the Golan—a disputed territory annexed by Israel from Syria in 1981—or even Gaza, they said, to avoid an attack within Israel’s internationally recognized territory. Another option would be to strike at Israeli Embassies, notably in the Arab world, to show them that friendly ties with Tel Aviv could be costly, these people said.

Meanwhile, the international community has been scrambling to avoid an escalation. On Thursday, Annalena Baerbock and David Cameron, respectively the foreign ministers of Germany and the U.K., both called their Iranian counterpart, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, to ask Tehran not to attack Israel, according to British and Iranian officials.

“Calls have been made by several regional and European ministers to Iran’s Foreign Minister,” a spokesman for Iran’s mission at the United Nations in New York told The Wall Street Journal.
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The IDF says troops killed the head of a local Hamas infrastructure in the northern West Bank's Tubas this morning.

Mohammad Omar Daraghmeh was involved in "advancing significant terror acts against Israel," the IDF says.

The IDF says that amid the overnight incident, Daraghmeh shot at troops from a vehicle, who then returned fire, killing him. Several weapons were found in his car.

A second Palestinian man, named by Palestinian media as Mohammad Shahmawi, was killed when troops opened fire on Palestinians who were shooting and throwing explosive devices at them, the IDF says.
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The IDF says it is continuing a pinpoint operation against Hamas and other terror groups in the central Gaza Strip, on the outskirts of the Nuseirat camp.

The 162nd Division's 401st Armored Brigade, Nahal Infantry Brigade, and other units, killed several gunmen over the past day in the area, in close-quarters combat and by calling in airstrikes, the IDF says.

The IDF says the troops located and destroyed an underground rocket launcher, alongside other launchers that were primed.

The troops also raided several sites belonging to terror groups in the area, locating equipment belonging to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad at one location, the IDF says.

Across the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Air Force struck more than 60 targets over the past day. According to the IDF, the targets included rocket launchers, buildings where gunmen were gathered, and other infrastructure.

The IDF says the 215th Artillery Regiment also shelled numerous sites over the past day, as part of support for the ground troops operating in central Gaza.
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The IDF and Shin Bet say the head of Hamas's internal security in northern Gaza's Jabaliya was killed in an airstrike yesterday.

In addition to serving as a Hamas police chief in Jabaliya, Radwan Muhammad Abdullah Radwan, according to the IDF and Shin Bet, was an operative in the military wing of the terror group.

"Radwan gave orders to Hamas operatives and was responsible for directing armed terrorists to take control of humanitarian aid trucks in the northern Gaza Strip," the IDF says in a statement.

It adds that his killing "degrades Hamas’s capabilities to attack and take control of humanitarian aid" in the Jabaliya area.

Another strike yesterday killed Hamed Muhammad Ali Ahmed, a commander in the Hamas military wing who was also responsible for internal security in Jabaliya, and another operative in the terror group's Jabaliya Battalion, the IDF adds.
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April 11 Red Sea Update

At approximately 1:00 p.m. (Sanaa time) on April 11, United States Central Command (CENTCOM) forces successfully engaged and destroyed one anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) launched over the Red Sea from Iranian-backed Houthi terrorist-controlled areas in Yemen.

There were no injuries or damage reported by U.S., coalition, or commercial ships.
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Jerusalem Post article on Iranian threats against Israel

What follows is a list of different types of attacks the Islamic Republic could carry out based on how it has behaved in the past.

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Iran has several ways to attack Israel; which one will it choose? - analysis

Iran has vowed to “punish” Israel for an airstrike in Damascus on April 1 that Tehran blamed on the Jewish state. Over the last week and a half, Iranian leaders have made repeated threats against Israel. This has led to heightened tensions in the region. Iran has a track record of threatening Israel. It also has a track record of using its proxies to threaten and attack Israel. What follows is a list of different types of attacks the Islamic Republic could carry out based on how it has behaved in the past.

A ballistic missile strike from Iran
Iran has a large arsenal of ballistic missiles of varying types and ranges. Some are solid-fueled, and some are liquid-fueled, which means some can be rushed out to be fired relatively quickly, and others take time to prepare and position. Israel’s mortal enemy has used ballistic missiles frequently in the past.

Tehran used ballistic missiles to target the Al-Asad Base in Iraq on January 8, 2020, in retaliation for America’s assassination of IRGC Quds Force head Qasem Soleimani. Iran launched up to 22 missiles, targeting both Asad where US troops are based in western Iraq, and the Kurdistan autonomous region that hosts US forces. The missiles were launched from several locations in Iran, and 11 of them struck Asad base. Iran informed the Iraqis just before they launched the missiles.

The missiles were launched beginning at 1:20 a.m., and the attack continued for several hours. It is believed that Iran used the Fateh 313 and Qiam ballistic missiles in the attack, which contain warheads of more than 450 kg.

A ballistic missile strike from Iraq
Iran has been moving missiles and drones to Iraq for several years. Beginning in around 2018, reports emerged in various media that Iran was basing missiles in Iraq. It was not clear after 2019 what became of these missiles because the reports about them stopped occurring.

However, it is clear that during the period 2018-2019, the Iranian-backed militias in Iraq that work closely with Iran had extended their control into Anbar Province and defeated ISIS there. Iran then moved to create a base called Imam Ali in Syria near Albukamal on the Iraqi border. Iran uses this area to smuggle weapons via Syria to Hezbollah.

Anbar Province is the closest part of Iraq to Israel. It is also where Saddam Hussein placed Scud missiles that targeted Israel in the 1991 war. A lot of effort was spent at the time by the US-led coalition seeking to “hunt” down the elusive Scud launchers. Iran may seek to place long-range missiles in Iraq and recreate a Saddam scenario.

New long-range ballistic missiles Iran recently tested
In January 2024, Iran carried out missile attacks on Pakistan and Syria, claiming to be targeting terrorist groups. Tehran used this occasion to test the precision of its missiles. It used long-range and relatively new Kheibar Shekan ballistic missiles in Syria.

The attack was a “message” for the US and Israel, according to Iranian media. The missile had been unveiled in 2022. Iran claims it has a range of 1,450 km. and is supposed to have high-speed and precision-strike capabilities, which makes it a dangerous strategic weapon.

A combination drone and cruise missile attack
In September 2019, Iran carried out an attack using drones and cruise missiles that targeted Saudi Arabia’s Abqaiq oil-processing facility. The attacks were carried out at night from Iran. It was initially believed that about a dozen cruise missiles were involved and two dozen drones; the Saudis said seven missiles and 18 drones were used. The drones had a delta-wing configuration, which made them similar to the Iranian Shahed 136 drones, which are now common. The full details of the types of drones used were not clear.

Iran was able to avoid Saudi Arabia's air defenses and radar by planning a complex mission and also using an attack vector going through an area that was either undefended or where the systems in place were not being used correctly. The attack, which caused damage but did not kill anyone, was seen at the time as a symbolic curtain-raiser on Iran’s capabilities.

Iraqi militias using drones or missiles
Iranian-backed militias in Iraq have been increasing their threats to Israel in recent weeks. The Islamic Resistance in Iraq, which is an Iranian proxy group, frequently claims to have targeted Israel. It has claimed to target Eilat, for instance. A drone struck a hangar in Iraq in the early hours of April 1. Another one was recently intercepted by the C-Dome system aboard a Sa’ar 6 Israeli ship.

Iraqi militias could be mobilized by Iran to carry out attacks on Israel. This would give Iran plausible deniability. Tehran used these militias in the past to target Israel with drones in May 2021. The groups in Iraq also targeted US forces and killed three Americans in Jordan in January 2024 in a drone attack.

Iranian-backed terrorists in Syria
Iran has a plethora of Iranian-backed groups in Syria. These include Hezbollah operatives who work near the Golan as part of the terrorist group’s “Golan File” unit. Hezbollah sought to threaten Israel from an area near the Golan using a “killer drone” unit in the fall of 2019. Israel struck the Hezbollah cell at the time. In recent months, Hezbollah has also sought to use Syrian army facilities near the Golan.

Iran also works with the Fetemiyoun, a group of Afghan Shi’ites it recruited, using the group to patrol areas near the Euphrates River in Syria. The group is basically run by the Iranian IRGC. Iran could transfer weapons to this militia or other ones and operationalize them for attacks on Israel. Tehran has used these types of groups to carry out dozens of attacks on US forces in Syria in the last several years.
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The world is paying the price for the "Jimmy Carter" presidency half a century later!
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Another good book on the Middle East on sale for $3.99 as a Kindle Daily DealEnemies and Neighbors: Arabs and Jews in Palestine and Israel, 1917-2017.

Originally Posted By garr:The world is paying the price for the "Jimmy Carter" presidency half a century later!
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1979, the year that keeps on giving.

Originally Posted By Jm11513:Most likely they are Chinese made, i forget the designation, but iran has been showing them off in parades for decades.

The ones I'm familiar with are based off the A1, they had their carry handles cut off and a pic or weaver rail bolted on
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Thanks.
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Is it a bird, a plane, and Iranian missile?



Nope just the Russians deciding to test an ICBM





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That's great, the Houthis were getting bored, only shooting at destroyers and cargo ships.  
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Why bother?  Seriously, why fucking bother.  We aren't going to attack anyone or anything without 120 hours advance notice, so park the ships and planes in Spain.

The SecDef thinks you win wars by not killing people and breaking things.  The last time we sent forces into the region we did nothing when they were actively targeted, hundreds of times--that inaction gave our deterrence factor a black eye.  

Don't forget, Biden's stupid pier that serves no purpose whatsoever is still bravely chugging across the Atlantic.  Our 1000 soldiers will arrive just in time.

If a ship is hit, an airplane shot down, or a base supporting Inherent Resolve overrun or seriously attacked, do we have plans for an immediate, severe to the point of disproportionate, reaction?  No 120 hour bullshit, no principals' meetings days after the fact, no hand wringing.  

Does the administration have a plan for medium term military and diplomatic actions against the "head of the octopus", Iran?  Is there support at home and among our key friends/allies/whatever for our taking serious actions?

If the answer is no, keep our people the fuck out.

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I'd do the same.  They've taken the measure of our national security team and see they are the worst ever.  

Iran and friends don't see the constant criticism of Israel as being bold, they see it for what it is, weakness.

Our "secret" talks asking for their help in getting Houthis to quit being mean to the most powerful navy in history was another contemptible display from Team Biden.  

It was made worse when we let Iran link attacks on neutral shipping in a key sea lane to Gaza.  

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The US is going to have to pull back and commit a traditional invasion isnt it
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Past time to annihilate Hamas and Gaza
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The Great Red Sea Turkey Shoot moves north.
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The US is going to have to pull back and commit a traditional invasion isnt it

Or wave the white flag.
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