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Posted: 10/6/2004 5:41:30 PM EST
I've wondered about this in the past, and the "pig trolling" thread made me think about it again.

Shouldn't it be "trawling" - as in what fishing boats do with their nets?

Didn't there used to be expressions like "trawling for babes" (i.e out with the guys on a night on the town). The "pig trolling" certainly seems to have a fishing analogy, and seems to be that it should have been called "pig trawling"

Similarly, the "trolls" on this site (and other internet sites) - what does it mean to be "trolling"?? I wonder if it originally was "trawling" (as in "trawling for trouble") and at some point, some dude was saying it to another out loud, and it acidentally got mis-typed as "trolling" (since the words sound identical). And it probably stuck, because we can all imagine a troll - being a mean a malicious creature out to cause trouble.



Any of you internet dorks actually know the origin of this word? I'm betting it was originally "trawling" and not "trolling"

So there.

Now that I've wasted your time, and procrastinated my own, I'm getting back to work
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:43:23 PM EST
ITS A TRAP !!!!!
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:44:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:45:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
What does this have to do with the price of ludefisk in Denmark?




Blech


Lutfisk is some horrible swedish thing. We're all about the herring and the cod!!
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:46:51 PM EST
Its a regional dilect.

trawling is as far as I can tell a gulf coast word.

Normal people go trolling.
ie: trolling motor for the bass boat.


Same thought as the Dutch being from Norse stock.




(just kidding about the last part)
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:47:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:50:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By otar:
Its a regional dilect.

trawling is as far as I can tell a gulf coast word.

Normal people go trolling.
ie: trolling motor for the bass boat.




But isn't a regional dialect just a matter of pronouciation, not actual spelling?

So the word "trawling" might be pronounced "trolling" - but it still refers to a fishing kind of term, not a mythical animal, right?



Damn - I really do need to get back to work! I just hassled my fiancee to proof-read an article because I told her I was really busy
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:50:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:51:24 PM EST
Trolling definitely doesn't seem to fit.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:54:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 5:55:40 PM EST by otar]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By otar:
Its a regional dilect.

trawling is as far as I can tell a gulf coast word.

Normal people go trolling.
ie: trolling motor for the bass boat.




But isn't a regional dialect just a matter of pronouciation, not actual spelling?

So the word "trawling" might be pronounced "trolling" - but it still refers to a fishing kind of term, not a mythical animal, right?



Damn - I really do need to get back to work! I just hassled my fiancee to proof-read an article because I told her I was really busy



I did a look up on the dictionary:

I knew it was a trap. You dutch boys.
8 entries found for trawl.
trawl ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trôl)
n.

1. A trawl net.
2. See setline.


v. trawled, trawl·ing, trawls
v. tr.

To catch (fish) with a trawl.


v. intr.

1. To fish with a trawl.
2. To troll.


[Possibly Middle English trawelle, perhaps from Middle Dutch tragel, dragnet, possibly from Latin trgula, from trahere, to drag.]


edited to correct color
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:54:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:56:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 5:57:24 PM EST by DavidC]
Trolling is the right word.

In fishing terms trolling refers to cruising with a bait hanging in the water to see what you can get to strike. It has nothing to do with nets or trawlers.

Internet trolls put something outrageous out there to see who takes the bait.

troll
v. trolled, troll·ing, trolls
v. tr.

To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat.
To fish in by trailing a baited line: troll the lake for bass.
To trail (a baited line) in fishing.
Slang. To patrol (an area) in search for someone or something: “ [Criminals] troll bus stations for young runaways” (Pete Axthelm).
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:06:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 6:08:06 PM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:09:39 PM EST
"Is "trolling" really the right word?"

'Useful Idiot' by any other name, is just as stinky. Whether from Ignorance, Indoctrination, or willing apparatchik-ness, the effect is the same as far as I am concerned.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:09:51 PM EST
Yes. The troll icon is really the wrong one to put out. We should have a fishing boat smiley instead.

Something said/put out there to get a lot of action.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:11:36 PM EST
Trolling is the perfect verb to describe what trolls do. You just cruise along, post some outrageous or offensive statement, say it with conviction like you really mean it and are willing to argue it, and sit back and watch who takes the bait.




Perfect metaphor.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:21:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 6:22:25 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By DavidC:
Trolling is the right word.

In fishing terms trolling refers to cruising with a bait hanging in the water to see what you can get to strike. It has nothing to do with nets or trawlers.

Internet trolls put something outrageous out there to see who takes the bait.

troll
v. trolled, troll·ing, trolls
v. tr.

To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat.
To fish in by trailing a baited line: troll the lake for bass.
To trail (a baited line) in fishing.
Slang. To patrol (an area) in search for someone or something: “ [Criminals] troll bus stations for young runaways” (Pete Axthelm).




Well, I'll be dipped in shit!

I had no idea. I guess it is the right word after all. Who knew that trolling and trawling were BOTH fishing terms!!! I swear I learn something new every day on arfcom.



But then I agree with what others have said - the troll icon is incorrect, since it does appear to be a fishing term, and nothing to do with animals living under bridges or in the woods. I guess I was both right and wrong
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:28:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:36:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Well, I'll be dipped in shit!



You Europeans have strange customs!



I thought that was an American expression! Here I am, trying to fit in, buying guns and muscle cars, and you don't even appreciate it


Geez, I suppose you snobbish Europeans have never heard of Santa Klaus either. He's even from Daneland.


He is totally Danish - and lives in northeastern Greenland.

Although that whole Santa/Saint Claus/Nickolaus is just wrong. He is not "saint" anything - he is just called the "Christmas Man"
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:38:35 PM EST
What about a bridge "Troll"
"What is your favorite color?"
"What is the air speed volocity of a coconut laden swallow?"
Hummmmmmm!!!

GM
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:38:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:40:45 PM EST
Dont feel bad I actually found a dutch word and it went right on bye.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:44:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Geez, nobody ever gets my jokes. I realize it was subtle, but it's actually "Santa Claus"--oh, never mind.




Yeah - Christmas is a tough time for me. I swear, about the tenth time someone says "Claus? That's just like Santa ... heh heh" on any given day, I'm pretty much ready to rip their head off



Otar - I saw the Dutch word origin thing, but I'm jumping in and out of surfing arfcom and trying to get some work done, so I didn't respond. I did appreciate the irony though


Link Posted: 10/6/2004 6:48:22 PM EST



That's a cool pic.

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 1:16:14 AM EST
I believe that the troll icon is appropriate, as defined in definition #2 below.




troll

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See
also YHBT.

2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1;
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by
the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic
at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming
characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of
life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll."


3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS
students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab
policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves
lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower
category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing
some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See
also Troll-O-Meter.



Source: Jargon File 4.2.0



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