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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:04:58 PM EDT
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:05:58 PM EDT
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Handgun means handgun.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:06:06 PM EDT
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:07:03 PM EDT
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:07:04 PM EDT
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Even in IL it's a handgun. I cannot wait to CCW an AR pistol under my coat right down Michigan Ave. Fuck Chicago.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:08:00 PM EDT
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:08:38 PM EDT
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Even in IL it's a handgun. I cannot wait to CCW an AR pistol under my coat right down Michigan Ave. Fuck Chicago. I'm wondering if I can do the Illinois shooting portion with it........ |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:08:50 PM EDT
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What does the 4473 say?
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:09:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:09:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:09:52 PM EDT
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Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower? |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:10:12 PM EDT
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Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. 
OP: Federally an AR pistol is a pistol. However when concidering whether or not you can CCW it, you need to see how your state law defines a pistol/handgun and make sure it also meets that criteria. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:10:12 PM EDT
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but otherwise would it be ok? You should consult an attorney who is familiar with the laws in your state, if you want good legal advice. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:10:19 PM EDT
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then it's a pistol. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:11:09 PM EDT
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All lowers transfer as "other" and remain as such until they have a 16" barrel attached with a stock (rifle) or no stock, a barrel <16", and an OAL under 26" (pistol). No markings needed on the receiver to state it is a pistol.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:11:55 PM EDT
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Most states don't have handgun registration in which case it is absolutely fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. I keep forgetting there is anything outside of CT. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:12:29 PM EDT
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Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Cite? |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:12:54 PM EDT
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Depends on your state's laws. Here in NC its G2G (and I've carried mine before, mostly in the car), but I know some other states have restrictions on concealing something over a certain length or a certain number of rounds... better to ask this in the AR Pistols section http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/122_AR_Pistols.html I believe there is a state by state guide at the top somewhere on rules for AR pistols
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:13:02 PM EDT
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Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower? Respectfully, whirly is incorrect and is disseminating incorrect information. ATF opinion is that a virgin receiver that was not previously built into a rifle but is made into a handgun then the build is in fact a handgun and is kosher. See mega thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/465457_.html |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:13:05 PM EDT
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Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower? Sometimes they'll ask you during the transfer the virgin stripped lower. I was asked when I purchased a few stripped lowers a while back. I ran two of them through as a rifle and the third one as a pistol because I was planning on making that one into pistol form until the SBR stamp came back. Because if it's a pistol, then it's subject to the additional regs of a pistol (I.e. if you buy two or more in a week or something, it gets reported to the ATF). |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:14:37 PM EDT
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I keep forgetting there is anything outside of CT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. I keep forgetting there is anything outside of CT. FYI Missouri does not have registration. But the OP should look at MO statute related to CCW to see if it defines a "handgun". |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:15:57 PM EDT
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checks law make sure the ccw law doesn't require the handgun to be a revolver or a semi automatic pistol fed through a magazine contained within the grip.
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:17:17 PM EDT
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It will vary by state.
I think in sc, overall length must be 12 inches or less. An ar pistol is more of a hand canon, not a hand gun. 
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:17:50 PM EDT
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Sometimes they'll ask you during the transfer the virgin stripped lower. I was asked when I purchased a few stripped lowers a while back. I ran two of them through as a rifle and the third one as a pistol because I was planning on making that one into pistol form until the SBR stamp came back. Because if it's a pistol, then it's subject to the additional regs of a pistol (I.e. if you buy two or more in a week or something, it gets reported to the ATF). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower? Sometimes they'll ask you during the transfer the virgin stripped lower. I was asked when I purchased a few stripped lowers a while back. I ran two of them through as a rifle and the third one as a pistol because I was planning on making that one into pistol form until the SBR stamp came back. Because if it's a pistol, then it's subject to the additional regs of a pistol (I.e. if you buy two or more in a week or something, it gets reported to the ATF). ATF says they all should be tranferred as "other" because they don't fit the definition of a handgun or a rifle. Just like a 12 gauge that comes from the factory with a pistol grip. It isn't a shotgun under federal law because shotguns are/are made from something that is shoulder fired. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:20:10 PM EDT
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OP: Federally an AR pistol is a pistol. However when concidering whether or not you can CCW it, you need to see how your state law defines a pistol/handgun and make sure it also meets that criteria. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that.
OP: Federally an AR pistol is a pistol. However when concidering whether or not you can CCW it, you need to see how your state law defines a pistol/handgun and make sure it also meets that criteria. Winnar! |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:21:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. Depends. Not all state's require pistol registration. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:25:07 PM EDT
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:26:58 PM EDT
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Illinois law seems vague:
Concealedfirearm"means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about apersoncompletelyormostlyconcealed fromviewofthepublicoronoraboutapersonwithina vehicle |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:29:10 PM EDT
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A quick run through of MO law seems to make no distinction in the CCW license law about what type of firearm you can conceal, and there is no mention of "handgun" in the definitions portion, closest would be the definition of a "concealable firearm" which is any firearm with a barrel under 16", which meshes with the federal pistol definition.
IANAL OP, but it looks to me like you're GTG. Perhaps ask this in the MO hometown forum as well to confirm. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:30:09 PM EDT
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This is actually for my oos illinois license
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:30:57 PM EDT
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There is a whole forum for this... http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/122_AR_Pistols.html
Nice handgun pics too  |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:31:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is this "registered" of which you speak?  And here in Maine , you cant legally carry a loaded rifle inside your vehicle , but a pistol is GTG , provided you have a CCW. So I've always carried either my AR or AK pistols as truck guns . |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:32:10 PM EDT
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This is actually for my oos illinois license I'm confused. What is your state of residence? The state you are in and will be carrying in? You'll want to follow the laws of that state. |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:32:14 PM EDT
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John Dillinger consealed a BAR
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:35:10 PM EDT
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Illinois law seems vague: Concealedfirearm"means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about apersoncompletelyormostlyconcealed fromviewofthepublicoronoraboutapersonwithina vehicle Well there is your problem.....Illinois doesn't have a spacebar. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:36:25 PM EDT
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I keep forgetting there is anything outside of CT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun. What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol Then its not compliant. Lower serial must be registered at a handgun. SBR will get you on that. I keep forgetting there is anything outside of CT. CT doesn't require registration of firearms that 1) are not assault weapons or MG, 2) you move into CT with, or 3) that you build on your own, provided they comply with CT State Law. This goes for any type of firearm, pistol, shotgun, rifle, & other. Example: If I lived in Florida and bought a revolver and took it with me when I moved to CT that would be 100% legal. I would not need to "register" that pistol in CT. Also, registering an SBR with ATF/NFA does nothing as far as making something into a pistol - the form is to make a firearm into a rifle, not a pistol. |
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