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Posted: 12/11/2013 12:03:44 PM EST
Say a person wanted to ccw in a Briefcase an AR pistol, is it technically a handgun. Obviously some jurisdictions would have an issue with magazine capacity, but otherwise would it be ok?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:04:58 PM EST
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:05:58 PM EST
Handgun means handgun.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:06:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.
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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:07:03 PM EST
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What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:07:04 PM EST
Even in IL it's a handgun. I cannot wait to CCW an AR pistol under my coat right down Michigan Ave. Fuck Chicago.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:08:00 PM EST
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What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:08:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TeamWalker400:
Even in IL it's a handgun. I cannot wait to CCW an AR pistol under my coat right down Michigan Ave. Fuck Chicago.
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I'm wondering if I can do the Illinois shooting portion with it........
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:08:50 PM EST
What does the 4473 say?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:09:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
Most states don't have handgun registration in which case it is absolutely fine.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:09:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
What is this "registered" of which you speak?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:09:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.


Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:10:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.




OP: Federally an AR pistol is a pistol. However when concidering whether or not you can CCW it, you need to see how your state law defines a pistol/handgun and make sure it also meets that criteria.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:10:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By robb01:
but otherwise would it be ok?
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You should consult an attorney who is familiar with the laws in your state, if you want good legal advice.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:10:19 PM EST
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What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol
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Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then it's a pistol.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:11:09 PM EST
All lowers transfer as "other" and remain as such until they have a 16" barrel attached with a stock (rifle) or no stock, a barrel <16", and an OAL under 26" (pistol). No markings needed on the receiver to state it is a pistol.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:11:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TeeRex:
Most states don't have handgun registration in which case it is absolutely fine.
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Originally Posted By TeeRex:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
Most states don't have handgun registration in which case it is absolutely fine.

I keep forgetting there is anything outside of CT.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:12:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:12:54 PM EST
Depends on your state's laws. Here in NC its G2G (and I've carried mine before, mostly in the car), but I know some other states have restrictions on concealing something over a certain length or a certain number of rounds... better to ask this in the AR Pistols section http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/122_AR_Pistols.html I believe there is a state by state guide at the top somewhere on rules for AR pistols
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:13:02 PM EST
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Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower?
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Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.


Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower?



Respectfully, whirly is incorrect and is disseminating incorrect information. ATF opinion is that a virgin receiver that was not previously built into a rifle but is made into a handgun then the build is in fact a handgun and is kosher.

See mega thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/465457_.html
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:13:05 PM EST
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Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower?
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Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.


Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower?


Sometimes they'll ask you during the transfer the virgin stripped lower. I was asked when I purchased a few stripped lowers a while back. I ran two of them through as a rifle and the third one as a pistol because I was planning on making that one into pistol form until the SBR stamp came back.

Because if it's a pistol, then it's subject to the additional regs of a pistol (I.e. if you buy two or more in a week or something, it gets reported to the ATF).
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:14:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:

I keep forgetting there is anything outside of CT.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
Most states don't have handgun registration in which case it is absolutely fine.

I keep forgetting there is anything outside of CT.


FYI Missouri does not have registration. But the OP should look at MO statute related to CCW to see if it defines a "handgun".
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:15:57 PM EST
checks law make sure the ccw law doesn't require the handgun to be a revolver or a semi automatic pistol fed through a magazine contained within the grip.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:17:17 PM EST
It will vary by state.
I think in sc, overall length must be 12 inches or less.
An ar pistol is more of a hand canon, not a hand gun.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:17:50 PM EST
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Sometimes they'll ask you during the transfer the virgin stripped lower. I was asked when I purchased a few stripped lowers a while back. I ran two of them through as a rifle and the third one as a pistol because I was planning on making that one into pistol form until the SBR stamp came back.

Because if it's a pistol, then it's subject to the additional regs of a pistol (I.e. if you buy two or more in a week or something, it gets reported to the ATF).
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Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.


Ya not sure about that, how does the ffl know what you'll do with the lower?


Sometimes they'll ask you during the transfer the virgin stripped lower. I was asked when I purchased a few stripped lowers a while back. I ran two of them through as a rifle and the third one as a pistol because I was planning on making that one into pistol form until the SBR stamp came back.

Because if it's a pistol, then it's subject to the additional regs of a pistol (I.e. if you buy two or more in a week or something, it gets reported to the ATF).

ATF says they all should be tranferred as "other" because they don't fit the definition of a handgun or a rifle. Just like a 12 gauge that comes from the factory with a pistol grip. It isn't a shotgun under federal law because shotguns are/are made from something that is shoulder fired.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:20:10 PM EST
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OP: Federally an AR pistol is a pistol. However when concidering whether or not you can CCW it, you need to see how your state law defines a pistol/handgun and make sure it also meets that criteria.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.




OP: Federally an AR pistol is a pistol. However when concidering whether or not you can CCW it, you need to see how your state law defines a pistol/handgun and make sure it also meets that criteria.

Winnar!
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:21:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By robb01:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
If its registered as a handgun...its a handgun.


What if a lower was transferred as other, but in its current form it is a pistol

Then its not compliant.
Lower serial must be registered at a handgun.
SBR will get you on that.

Depends. Not all state's require pistol registration.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:25:07 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:26:58 PM EST
Illinois law seems vague:
Concealedfirearm"means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about apersoncompletelyormostlyconcealed fromviewofthepublicoronoraboutapersonwithina vehicle
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:29:10 PM EST
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A quick run through of MO law seems to make no distinction in the CCW license law about what type of firearm you can conceal, and there is no mention of "handgun" in the definitions portion, closest would be the definition of a "concealable firearm" which is any firearm with a barrel under 16", which meshes with the federal pistol definition.

IANAL OP, but it looks to me like you're GTG. Perhaps ask this in the MO hometown forum as well to confirm.

Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:30:09 PM EST
This is actually for my oos illinois license
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:30:57 PM EST
There is a whole forum for this... http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/122_AR_Pistols.html

Nice handgun pics too
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:31:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By CONKLE73:

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Exactly.


And here in Maine , you cant legally carry a loaded rifle inside your vehicle , but a pistol is GTG , provided you have a CCW.
So I've always carried either my AR or AK pistols as truck guns .
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:32:10 PM EST
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I'm confused. What is your state of residence? The state you are in and will be carrying in? You'll want to follow the laws of that state.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:32:14 PM EST
John Dillinger consealed a BAR
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:35:10 PM EST
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Illinois law seems vague:
Concealedfirearm"means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about apersoncompletelyormostlyconcealed fromviewofthepublicoronoraboutapersonwithina vehicle
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Well there is your problem.....Illinois doesn't have a spacebar.


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