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Posted: 8/26/2006 10:51:33 AM EDT
So, do we wait or fix it NOW?!?!?

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060826/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear


Yahoo! News
Iran opens nuclear reactor, defying U.N.

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago

Iran's hard-line president on Saturday inaugurated a heavy-water production plant, a facility the West fears will be used to develop a nuclear bomb, as Tehran remained defiant ahead of a U.N. deadline that could lead to sanctions.

The U.N. has called on Tehran to stop the separate process of uranium enrichment — which also can be used to create nuclear weapons — by Thursday or face economic and political sanctions.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that his nation's nuclear program poses no threat to other nations, even Israel, "which is a definite enemy."

Ahmadinejad said in a speech that Iran would never abandon what he once again called its purely peaceful nuclear program.

"There is no discussion of nuclear weapons," he said. "We are not a threat to anybody even the Zionist regime, which is a definite enemy for the people of the region."

Though the West's main worry has been enrichment of uranium that could be used in a bomb, it also has called on Iran to stop the construction of a heavy-water reactor near the production plant that Ahmadinejad inaugurated.

A senior Israeli lawmaker warned in a statement that the plant inauguration marks "another leap in Iran's advance toward a nuclear bomb."

Israeli legislator Ephraim Sneh of the Labor Party, a partner in the ruling coalition, said that the Jewish state must "prepare itself militarily." Ahmadinejad last year called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

The spent fuel from a heavy-water reactor can be reprocessed to extract plutonium for use in a bomb.

Reactors fueled by enriched uranium use regular — or light — water in the chain reaction that produces energy. Heavy water contains a heavier hydrogen particle, which allow the reactor to run on natural uranium mined by Iran, forgoing the enrichment progress.

Vice President Gholamreza Aghazadeh, who also heads the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, said the heavy-water facility will be used to treat and diagnose AIDS and cancer, and for other medicine and agricultural purposes.

Iran is scheduled to complete the reactor in 2009.

Iran responded Tuesday to package of incentives, presented by the five permanent members of the Security Council plus Germany, for it to halt uranium enrichment and return to negotiations on increasing international oversight of its nuclear program. Tehran said it would be open to negotiations but did not agree to the West's key demand to halt enrichment as a precondition to talks.

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, will report on the state of Iran's program by mid-September. If its report finds that enrichment is continuing, the council could move toward sanctions.

Tehran has called the Security Council resolution that set the Thursday deadline "illegal" and has insisted it won't give up its nuclear program.

"They may impose some restrictions on us under pressure. But will they be able to prevent the thoughts of a nation?" Ahmadinejad said Saturday. "Will they be able to prevent the progress and technology to a nation? They have to accept the reality of a powerful, peace-loving and developed Iran. This is in the interest of all governments and all nations whether they like it or not."

Mohammed Saeedi, the deputy head of Iran's atomic organization, called the heavy-water plant "one of the biggest nuclear projects" in the country, state-run television reported.

______

Associated Press writer Nasser Karimi in Tehran contributed to this report.


Scott
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:05:32 AM EDT
Somebody catch it, quick!
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:07:29 AM EDT
HIT IT NOW!!! Level the place...

Let's hear it for "political and economic sanctions!" h,
Make them drink all the heavy water!
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:10:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DScottHewitt:
a facility the West fears will be used to develop a nuclear bomb




WTF else do you think they are gonna use it for. Hope the North South and East countries open their eyes soon.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:12:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2006 11:26:33 AM EDT by Bostonterrier97]
Like North Korea...we wait for the political justification (i.e. they destroy a city of a friendly country killing a lot of people)

There are a lot of surreptious WMD programs going on in a lot of middle eastern countries.

The difference is that in most other countries they are low key. From a military standpoint, destroying Irans industrial capacity and infrastructure is perfectly feasible. However politically it would touch off a firestorm within the Islamic world.

Frankly I am of the opinion that in order to safeguard western civilization, some of our politicians need to commit the equivalent of political suicide and let the missiles fly.

No point in having weapons if you are unwilling to use them.

Ever notice whenever the United States starts to bomb the snot out of one Middle Eastern country, suddenly other Middle Eastern Countries which were troublesome, become rather quiet, in terms of both reatoric and supporting terrorists?

Case in Point:
Bombing of Tripoli -1986
Persian Gulf War I - 1991
Bombing and Invading Iraq - 2003

It was during these instances that Iran and Syria suddenly became "law abiding".

In both Arab and Persian Culture, the act of showing Mercy is seen as a sign of weakness in will, and the natural response to Humanitarianism is to become aggressive.

The only thing such cultures respect is Power and a willingness on the part of a political leader to use such power ruthlessly.

ETA: This is probably completely over the top: But I think we should treat the people of these countries much in the same manner how we treated the Commanches and Apaches.

Give them a choice: Move onto reservations in the middle of barren deserts with no electricity, no running water and live out their fantasy of 8th century Islam with 8th century technology; or renounce Islam and convert to Judiasm or Christianity or some other religion:
otherwise its open season.

25 years ago I used to be rather sympathetic to some of their issues. But my patience has ended. During my lifetime, I have seen too many peace treaties and cease fires violated by Middle Eastern Countries. To the point where any talk of a "peace", "land for peace", cease fire agreements, treaties is just another way of them buying time to rearm and continue killing by proxy (terror) because they are unable to kill openly and get away with it.

The choice for us is simple: Kill or be Killed.



Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:15:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:21:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2006 11:22:13 AM EDT by glockguy40]

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
Like North Korea...we wait for the political justification (i.e. they destroy a city of a friendly country killing a lot of people)

There are a lot of surreptious WMD programs going on in a lot of middle eastern countries.

The difference is that in most other countries they are low key. From a military standpoint, destroying Irans industrial capacity and infrastructure is perfectly feasible. However politically it would touch off a firestorm within the Islamic world.

Frankly I am of the opinion that in order to safeguard western civilization, some of our politicians need to commit the equivalent of political suicide and let the missiles fly.

No point in having weapons if you are unwilling to use them.

Ever notice whenever the United States starts to bomb the snot out of one Middle Eastern country, suddenly other Middle Eastern Countries which were troublesome, become rather quiet, in terms of both reatoric and supporting terrorists?

Case in Point:
Bombing of Tripoli -1986
Persian Gulf War I - 1991
Bombing and Invading Iraq - 2003

It was during these instances that Iran and Syria suddenly became "law abiding".

In both Arab and Persian Culture, the act of showing Mercy is seen as a sign of weakness in will, and the natural response to Humanitarianism is to become aggressive.

The only thing such cultures respect is Power and a willingness on the part of a political leader to use such power ruthlessly.





You are wrong. After our 2003 invasion of Iraq, Iran kicked it nuclear program into overdrive. Why? Because they learned a valuable lesson.

We attacked Iraq because it had no nukes. We didn't attack North Korea because it did.

Scaring nations by bombing and invading other nations doesn't enhance our security.
It makes these rogue regimes scared and desparate, and therefore, more likely to stir up trouble in the region and engage in behavior detrimental to our strategic interests.

Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:27:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DScottHewitt:
So, do we wait or fix it NOW?!?!?

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060826/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear


Yahoo! News
Iran opens nuclear reactor, defying U.N.

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago

Iran's hard-line president on Saturday inaugurated a heavy-water production plant, a facility the West fears will be used to develop a nuclear bomb, as Tehran remained defiant ahead of a U.N. deadline that could lead to sanctions.

The U.N. has called on Tehran to stop the separate process of uranium enrichment — which also can be used to create nuclear weapons — by Thursday or face economic and political sanctions.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that his nation's nuclear program poses no threat to other nations, even Israel, "which is a definite enemy."

Ahmadinejad said in a speech that Iran would never abandon what he once again called its purely peaceful nuclear program.

"There is no discussion of nuclear weapons," he said. "We are not a threat to anybody even the Zionist regime, which is a definite enemy for the people of the region."

Though the West's main worry has been enrichment of uranium that could be used in a bomb, it also has called on Iran to stop the construction of a heavy-water reactor near the production plant that Ahmadinejad inaugurated.

A senior Israeli lawmaker warned in a statement that the plant inauguration marks "another leap in Iran's advance toward a nuclear bomb."

Israeli legislator Ephraim Sneh of the Labor Party, a partner in the ruling coalition, said that the Jewish state must "prepare itself militarily." Ahmadinejad last year called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

The spent fuel from a heavy-water reactor can be reprocessed to extract plutonium for use in a bomb.

Reactors fueled by enriched uranium use regular — or light — water in the chain reaction that produces energy. Heavy water contains a heavier hydrogen particle, which allow the reactor to run on natural uranium mined by Iran, forgoing the enrichment progress.

Vice President Gholamreza Aghazadeh, who also heads the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, said the heavy-water facility will be used to treat and diagnose AIDS and cancer, and for other medicine and agricultural purposes.

Iran is scheduled to complete the reactor in 2009.

Iran responded Tuesday to package of incentives, presented by the five permanent members of the Security Council plus Germany, for it to halt uranium enrichment and return to negotiations on increasing international oversight of its nuclear program. Tehran said it would be open to negotiations but did not agree to the West's key demand to halt enrichment as a precondition to talks.

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, will report on the state of Iran's program by mid-September. If its report finds that enrichment is continuing, the council could move toward sanctions.

Tehran has called the Security Council resolution that set the Thursday deadline "illegal" and has insisted it won't give up its nuclear program.

"They may impose some restrictions on us under pressure. But will they be able to prevent the thoughts of a nation?" Ahmadinejad said Saturday. "Will they be able to prevent the progress and technology to a nation? They have to accept the reality of a powerful, peace-loving and developed Iran. This is in the interest of all governments and all nations whether they like it or not."

Mohammed Saeedi, the deputy head of Iran's atomic organization, called the heavy-water plant "one of the biggest nuclear projects" in the country, state-run television reported.

______

Associated Press writer Nasser Karimi in Tehran contributed to this report.


Scott


There is no urgency to bomb the heavy water plant now. The heavy water runs no proliferation risk. Only the heavy water reactor itself does. It is the reactor that produces plutonium... not the heavy water plant.

The heavy water reactor will not be finished until 2009.

The heavy water reactor requires about 50 tons of heavy water to be operational. Iran's heavy water plant currently has a capacity of 16 tons of heavy water production a year. Ths plant will have to produce and store heavy water for several years before they will have enough to even run the reactor.... that is why they are starting the heavy water production now. They hope to have enough to run the reactor by 2009.

We have plenty of time to bomb it. Might as well let diplomacy play out first.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:29:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:31:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By glockguy40:
You are wrong. After our 2003 invasion of Iraq, Iran kicked it nuclear program into overdrive. Why? Because they learned a valuable lesson.

We attacked Iraq because it had no nukes. We didn't attack North Korea because it did.

Scaring nations by bombing and invading other nations doesn't enhance our security.
It makes these rogue regimes scared and desparate, and therefore, more likely to stir up trouble in the region and engage in behavior detrimental to our strategic interests.



I completely disagree. During the Fighting and Bombing, Iran was quiet and complient. It was only after a period of approximately 1 year after the United States had Occupied Iraq, that the Iranians started to "test the waters" incrementally with acts of defiance. Each act becoming a little larger and a little more belligerant.

Link Posted: 8/26/2006 11:33:15 AM EDT
it's OK, the UN will solve this problem
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 2:19:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glockguy40:
BTW... DUPE.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=494351


But this one is BETTER.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:15:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glockguy40:
We have plenty of time to bomb it. Might as well let diplomacy play out first.


The Iranians are also playing for time. They know that a Democrat - an appeaser - may be in office by 2009.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:20:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2006 8:31:12 PM EDT by greener556]

Originally Posted By Fourays2:
it's OK, the UN will solve this problem



Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:25:52 PM EDT
I bet the US Department of Sanctions is already working on this guys...

have no fear.
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:28:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:28:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TxGunner:
I bet the US Department of Sanctions is already working on this guys...

have no fear.


Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:32:00 PM EDT
Uranium Iranian Uranium Iranian Uranium Iranian Uranium Iranian
Irans so far away
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:34:51 PM EDT

+

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Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:45:21 PM EDT
The Israelis can make that plant stop running any time they want to. And it may not be very long before they do that.


Iran doesn't need nukes. In fact, a nuclear armed Iran is something that I think should absolutely not be tolerated.


CJ
Link Posted: 8/26/2006 8:51:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2006 8:53:51 PM EDT by JoseyWales]
Sat tracking station (STS): "E1, E1; this is big eye, over"

B2: "Big Eye this is E1, in position over"

STS: "E1, Big Eye, word is Drop, over"

B2: "Roger that, going red, doors open, release, release, release"

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