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Posted: 10/20/2021 10:07:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:09:23 PM EDT
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I shoot down to -40f but have shot down to -65f. That said in those temps most people will likely be trying to stay warm, not raid you. MOST.

That’s a really good idea since most people don’t realize how tiring true cold is, caloric intake needed for it, how their guns function or malfunction, etc. should be enlightening.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:09:25 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:11:51 PM EDT
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Pretty fucking good, considering I see temps of -40 (before wind-chill) pretty regularly.

Flat spotted tires, anyone?
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:12:51 PM EDT
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Send me to JOTC any day, butt fuck the cold with a rusty entrenching tool wrapped in razor wire.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:14:22 PM EDT
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Put on a jacket and some bibs, you're fine.

Y'all don't realize, when it's that cold, there's no humidity and your clothes actually work.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:15:12 PM EDT
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A car makes a crazy cacophony of sounds when you start it at -25F. At -40, it's not just a whole new cacophony, it's pissed off.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:17:01 PM EDT
[#7]
Great post, OP, thank you for putting it up.

I turn into the biggest bitch when winter hits. Years ago, I lost about 150lbs.  I used to be able to be outside when it was 30 outside in a t shirt and shorts. Obviously, I was a fat fuck back then, and thus, well-insulated.

Ever since I lost the weight (going on 14 years ago now), my body's ability to acclimate has been abysmal.  The worst part is the fact that I have Reynaud's, and normally, I shoot centerfire and rimfire precision rifle comps almost every month.  I just can't do it with the Reynaud's.  It's just too fucking painful.

I have looked into electronic warming gloves, but I'm a cheap fucker. LOL!

I do know that running your gear, at least your primary/secondary firearms, in the freezing cold, is absolutely necessary.  Those temps will expose any flaws.  IME, the flaws arise from folks not using a quality lubricant.  Also, any electronics, sights in particular, are most fallible in freezing temps.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:17:24 PM EDT
[#8]
When I was younger and out in the cold a lot I was not bothered by it too much.
Sometimes my asthma flared because of the cold.

Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:19:34 PM EDT
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How does cold affect you? How does it affect efficiency when planning operations for a group? How do you thrive and turn extreme cold austere conditions to your advantage?

The American Pioneer Corps will be conducting an Introduction to Winter/Cold Weather Operations course in western Montana 17-19 December. The course will include accommodations and ammunition for the live fire portion. There are going to be a relatively limited number of seats, but minimal cost involved for participants.

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The old timers around here used to say Spring and Summer is when the trees provide cover.

So, like the armies of old, my winter operations will consist of staying in winter quarters. Once the trees bloom, then I can go back to misbehaving.

Theoretically of course.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:21:50 PM EDT
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Went shooting with my SCARs at -17F and that was NO fun. 17 below the fun mark in fact. The rifle performed but it was hell on us.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:22:35 PM EDT
[#11]
I thrive.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:24:24 PM EDT
[#12]
That sounds extremely unpleasant.  I'm in.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:25:29 PM EDT
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Pretty fucking good, considering I see temps of -40 (before wind-chill) pretty regularly.

Flat spotted tires, anyone?


A car makes a crazy cacophony of sounds when you start it at -25F. At -40, it's not just a whole new cacophony, it's pissed off.


You're not wrong.  If your battery will take it, the noises are pretty impressive. Lots of things hiss/screech/howl.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:27:42 PM EDT
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The old timers around here used to say Spring and Summer is when the trees provide cover.

So, like the armies of old, my winter operations will consist of staying in winter quarters. Once the trees bloom, then I can go back to misbehaving.

Theoretically of course.
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How does cold affect you? How does it affect efficiency when planning operations for a group? How do you thrive and turn extreme cold austere conditions to your advantage?

The American Pioneer Corps will be conducting an Introduction to Winter/Cold Weather Operations course in western Montana 17-19 December. The course will include accommodations and ammunition for the live fire portion. There are going to be a relatively limited number of seats, but minimal cost involved for participants.

Would you like to know more?


The old timers around here used to say Spring and Summer is when the trees provide cover.

So, like the armies of old, my winter operations will consist of staying in winter quarters. Once the trees bloom, then I can go back to misbehaving.

Theoretically of course.


Nobody would be out in this weather...

If you can retain mobility, but your adversary can't, that gives you a decided advantage.

Cold, and specifically snow, can hinder operations to the point they grind to a standstill.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:31:38 PM EDT
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How does cold affect you? How does it affect efficiency when planning operations for a group? How do you thrive and turn extreme cold austere conditions to your advantage?

The American Pioneer Corps will be conducting an Introduction to Winter/Cold Weather Operations course in western Montana 17-19 December. The course will include accommodations and ammunition for the live fire portion. There are going to be a relatively limited number of seats, but minimal cost involved for participants.

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Anything less that about 60f and I'm worthless.  
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:32:28 PM EDT
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dead bird crew, so i'm always warm as fuck

that's how i operate
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:33:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:43:46 PM EDT
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Humans can dress for extreme cold weather (especially with cold weather clothing and footwear made of modern materials), but ammo and weapons are difficult to insulate from the cold while carried at “the ready” in the practical sense.  

Extreme cold weather compromises ammunition propellants and primers, so weapons may or may not operate optimally as they would in warmer ambient temperatures.  

Read about how weapons from small arms up to mortars and FA performed during the war in Korea.  We were completely unprepared during the winter of ‘50-‘51.

Also, plan on a method to carry water so it doesn’t freeze due to exposure.  

Research the hard lessons learned, don’t “reinvent the wheel” relearning them the hard way.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 10:43:52 PM EDT
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It's been a long time since I've spent much time out below zero.

I spend a lot of time outside all fall and winter hunting, hiking, snowshoeing. By the time it gets really cold I'm pretty well acclimated.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:14:33 PM EDT
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My mossberg 930 runs fine in the single digits when duck hunting. That's about all I know.

I hunted all last year in unlined fishing waders with unlined boots. I fared OK but it did suck. Excited to see how my 30$ on clearance from gander mountain neoprene waders do.


That's my experience with cold weather "operating"
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:17:41 PM EDT
[#21]
I try to always operate optimally operationally.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:20:52 PM EDT
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You should have gone with "I opt to operate optimally operationally."

I award you no points and you have shamed your family for generations to come.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:27:06 PM EDT
[#23]
I’ve never really operated operationally at any temperature.  

Only backpacked/camped at 6 °F on the AT and it was not fun.

But that’s not even close to the elevation nor painful temps you’re describing in MT.

Sounds brutal.

Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:30:35 PM EDT
[#24]
Nah….I’ll stay in the basement, under my blankie, eating tendies….
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:32:17 PM EDT
[#25]
Where at in MT?
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:37:43 PM EDT
[#26]
I have a wool Thong so I'm good to go
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:38:45 PM EDT
[#27]
"Cold weather training? Who needs that crap."-
Napoleon/Hitler, probably.


Sounds like fun. I would contend that oper8ing in mid 30s rain is probably as technically challenging. Not only do you need to be warm, you need to be dry and covered in shells constantly and keep water off your optics and mud out of everything. And your hands will be frozen and most gloves won't help because they get soggy.  

Of course, I've only dealt with anything close to real cold in the mountains. My brief time in Montana cold was quite something.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:40:11 PM EDT
[#28]
Crocs with socks and a long sleeved tank top.
Winter warriors unite!
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:42:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:42:23 PM EDT
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I’d operate by turning up the heat and observing what ever I needed to from the comfort of my own home, bug out location, vehicle, or what ever was needed.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:42:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Great. Except my fingers.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:48:48 PM EDT
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Really want to be in, but I have to check my work schedule.
Link Posted: 10/20/2021 11:56:26 PM EDT
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A car makes a crazy cacophony of sounds when you start it at -25F. At -40, it's not just a whole new cacophony, it's pissed off.
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True story. Usually takes a few attempts to even let my truck idle in neutral with the clutch engaged below -20F. It's not happy about that. Tranny fluid turns to paste. Shifting is almost a 2 handed ordeal and in slow motion until the motor heat creeps into the tranny. If it's cold enough it never even warms up enough to may shifting feel normal and the heat it blows is like warm.


For some reason I'm always stuck doing fencing between -10 and -20. It sucks. Can't feel my toes or fingers, probably in a sweatshirt sweating my ass off and dreading feeling my ears thawing out.
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:10:51 AM EDT
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I put more clothes on and don’t act like a bitch. Yes it’s cold. Everyone gets that. Moving on
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:13:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Are we operating operationally again?
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:13:40 AM EDT
[#36]
Going thru the Bosnia winter without a working heater in the Bradley while in the turret, affected me.  Fuck.

I believe it caused my Reynauds syndrome.  I do much better in the heat, like Desert Storm.  Much better.  I would still do it all over again for my America!
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:14:38 AM EDT
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As my dad says, "I'm not going any further north than wichita falls"
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:16:29 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:39:07 AM EDT
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I would love to find an APC group in Western WA...... (not knowledgeable enough to start one, I hike and shoot recreationally but my skills are limited)
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We had a solid group in Western Wa a couple years ago doing lots of hikes,  radio, land nav, shooting, stop the Bleed style course.

Get in touch with @tnc
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:50:08 AM EDT
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The coldest I’ve ever been is -35f air temp. It sucked. I worked, at bit slower pace, but got through it. I’ve been out when the wind chill was down to -60, but no idea what the real temp was.

Eat more, drink warm water if you can, be careful sleeping. Stay out of the wind and don’t waste energy.

APC really needs to up their game in the Midwest.
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:59:24 AM EDT
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The coldest I’ve ever been is -35f air temp. It sucked. I worked, at bit slower pace, but got through it. I’ve been out when the wind chill was down to -60, but no idea what the real temp was.

Eat more, drink warm water if you can, be careful sleeping. Stay out of the wind and don’t waste energy.

APC really needs to up their game in the Midwest.
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On leave from Army...Goose hunting with dad in Oshkosh, Nebraska. -47!  December 22, 1989.  Fuuuck is was cold.  Booger freezed instantly.  Dad kept our Bronco II running all night.  Temp gauge still pegged at C . Fuck it was cold.  Shot my goose.
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 12:59:46 AM EDT
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How does cold affect you? How does it affect efficiency when planning operations for a group? How do you thrive and turn extreme cold austere conditions to your advantage?

The American Pioneer Corps will be conducting an Introduction to Winter/Cold Weather Operations course in western Montana 17-19 December. The course will include accommodations and ammunition for the live fire portion. There are going to be a relatively limited number of seats, but minimal cost involved for participants.

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I usually just refuse to act like a pussy...  it has worked pretty well for me
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 1:06:43 AM EDT
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How does cold affect you? How does it affect efficiency when planning operations for a group? How do you thrive and turn extreme cold austere conditions to your advantage?

The American Pioneer Corps will be conducting an Introduction to Winter/Cold Weather Operations course in western Montana 17-19 December. The course will include accommodations and ammunition for the live fire portion. There are going to be a relatively limited number of seats, but minimal cost involved for participants.

Would you like to know more?
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I’ve camped and shot down to -20f.  If you have never done it I would highly recommend it!  It is a whole different mind set!
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 1:09:40 AM EDT
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Don’t forget your winter balm!

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Link Posted: 10/21/2021 1:10:50 AM EDT
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Usually a Viagra will warm thing up.
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 1:12:04 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/21/2021 1:15:13 AM EDT
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It's pretty much limited to getting the chills while pissing off the porch but I always see my mission through to the end.
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 1:16:23 AM EDT
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I have experienced -30 wind chill.

That’s why I live in Texas.

Cold is an enemy.
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 1:44:14 AM EDT
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You're not wrong.  If your battery will take it, the noises are pretty impressive. Lots of things hiss/screech/howl.
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Pretty fucking good, considering I see temps of -40 (before wind-chill) pretty regularly.

Flat spotted tires, anyone?


A car makes a crazy cacophony of sounds when you start it at -25F. At -40, it's not just a whole new cacophony, it's pissed off.


You're not wrong.  If your battery will take it, the noises are pretty impressive. Lots of things hiss/screech/howl.


This is why you are plug your vehicle in, it helps.  
Link Posted: 10/21/2021 1:45:55 AM EDT
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I live in Florida. I’ve been in Dubai since June. Question does not compute.
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