[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Inappropriate text message. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/22/2012 4:52:40 PM EDT
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Today, my driver sent me a text message. "<My former co-worker, and occasional driver> killed himself today". This is wholly unaccepatable. If you are too stupid to understand that some information should be delivered in person, or failing that at least by a phone call, you are a fucking idiot and should have your thumbs removed.  |
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Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I was thinking this. I understand the significance of it. Maybe its my generation or something but I fail to see why telling someone face to face or texting would have any effect on the news or outcome or why this was a big deal. It is what it is. Sorry for your loss. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Times change, old man. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I was thinking this. I understand the significance of it. Maybe its my generation or something but I fail to see why telling someone face to face or texting would have any effect on the news or outcome or why this was a big deal. It is what it is. The guy was a dear, dear friend. If you fail to understand the significance of informing someone of a death... fuck it... I give up. If you read of your mother's death in the paper while on vacation, perhaps you might get a clue. |
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Quoted: Doubtful. Quoted: Quoted: Times change, old man. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I was thinking this. I understand the significance of it. Maybe its my generation or something but I fail to see why telling someone face to face or texting would have any effect on the news or outcome or why this was a big deal. It is what it is. The guy was a dear, dear friend. If you fail to understand the significance of informing someone of a death... fuck it... I give up. If you read of your mother's death in the paper while on vacation, perhaps you might get a clue. |
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Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I was thinking this. I understand the significance of it. Maybe its my generation or something but I fail to see why telling someone face to face or texting would have any effect on the news or outcome or why this was a big deal. It is what it is. The guy was a dear, dear friend. If you fail to understand the significance of informing someone of a death... fuck it... I give up. If you read of your mother's death in the paper while on vacation, perhaps you might get a clue. Now that would bother me....Like I wasn't even good enough to be told. I found out my grandmother had died over the phone and I didn't find that unacceptable. The fact that it happened hurt and I wished I could've been there, but finding out the news in that way wasn't a point of anger. I'm not heartless and I am sorry for your loss. I think maybe I just accustomed to different things. |
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Quoted: Now that would bother me....Like I wasn't even good enough to be told. I found out my grandmother had died over the phone and I didn't find that unacceptable. The fact that it happened hurt and I wished I could've been there, but finding out the news in that way wasn't a point of anger. I'm not heartless and I am sorry for your loss. I think maybe I just accustomed to different things. Being over 40, I see it as you should tell the person bad news by the most personal (for lack of a better word) way. In person, if that is not possible then a phone call. I would place text messaging as unacceptable except in the most extreme conditions. |
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I'm sorry to hear your friend died. Your driver is an ass.  This will be addressed in the morning. Apparently a department wide spam is in order, as this is somehow seen as appropriate communique. I am both broken hearted and furious. By all means, teach them how to behave by sending a strongly worded email. Better yet, hold a formation and use a loud voice and strong words. Next time, you'll be the last to know. Then you'll bitch about that. Get a grip on yourself, Ranger. Grieve and move on. The sun rises tomorrow morning. I suppose that had you recieved a telegram about this in 1873, you'd be upset by that? No? Communications. They change. I've been texted about more than one death, including a suicide. I used those to get in front of the situation. |
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i'm sorry for your loss, and especially sorry for the way you found out. when she arrived, i told her to come with me to the office. as we were walking back, another waitress ran up and broke it to her this way: "so bill fuckin died." that's the one and only time in my life that i felt the urge to hit a woman.
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Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I was thinking this. I understand the significance of it. Maybe its my generation or something but I fail to see why telling someone face to face or texting would have any effect on the news or outcome or why this was a big deal. It is what it is. Sorry for your loss. It has to do with consideration, connection with others, and ultimately providing a positive sense of belonging to accompany whatever shit filled Twinkie it is that you're delivering to someone. It used to be that when someone was receiving devastating news, that someone had to look into their eyes to do it. This is important and valuable, and accomplished more than simply conveying the news, but also a shared sense of understanding and sorrow with another person at the time one needs it the most. While many don't understand the difference (especially those born into the digital era), it's basically the difference between "here's some bad news" and "here's some bad news, and I respect you enough to share in your pain". While the former may not be intended as a personal slight, it's certainly not as empathetic as the latter. |
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I'm sorry to hear your friend died. Your driver is an ass. This will be addressed in the morning. Apparently a department wide spam is in order, as this is somehow seen as appropriate communique. I am both broken hearted and furious. By all means, teach them how to behave by sending a strongly worded email. Better yet, hold a formation and use a loud voice and strong words. Next time, you'll be the last to know. Then you'll bitch about that. Get a grip on yourself, Ranger. Grieve and move on. The sun rises tomorrow morning. I suppose that had you recieved a telegram about this in 1873, you'd be upset by that? No? Communications. They change. I've been texted about more than one death, including a suicide. I used those to get in front of the situation. Texting is an informal communique used for brevity and convenience. It's not the same as a formal communication, even a telegram, which was an acceptable type of communication even up to 20 or 25 years ago. Pick up milk on your way home? Text. The dog shit on the new rug? Text. A friend of yours has committed suicide? Not a text. If you fail to understand the differences then you fail hard. |
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Now that would bother me....Like I wasn't even good enough to be told. I found out my grandmother had died over the phone and I didn't find that unacceptable. The fact that it happened hurt and I wished I could've been there, but finding out the news in that way wasn't a point of anger. I'm not heartless and I am sorry for your loss. I think maybe I just accustomed to different things. Being over 40, I see it as you should tell the person bad news by the most personal (for lack of a better word) way. In person, if that is not possible then a phone call. I would place text messaging as unacceptable except in the most extreme conditions. Sorry for your loss Rangermonroe. Being under 40 I see it the same as you. As a Marine and as a Police Officer I have had to tell people their loved ones are dead. You dont do this via text message. Have respect for both the people you are notifying, and for the people who have died. Finally, have respect for yourself. |
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Quoted: I know, lol, that it seems funny to bitch folks out via e-mail. Quoted: Quoted: I'm sorry to hear your friend died. Your driver is an ass. This will be addressed in the morning. Apparently a department wide spam is in order, as this is somehow seen as appropriate communique. I am both broken hearted and furious. By all means, teach them how to behave by sending a strongly worded email. Better yet, hold a formation and use a loud voice and strong words. Next time, you'll be the last to know. Then you'll bitch about that. Get a grip on yourself, Ranger. Grieve and move on. The sun rises tomorrow morning. I suppose that had you recieved a telegram about this in 1873, you'd be upset by that? No? Communications. They change. I've been texted about more than one death, including a suicide. I used those to get in front of the situation. I will be addressing my crew and the outgoing one in the AM about this issue. We don't tell the media about the death of loved ones until they have been informed in person. And yes, it is in my scope of authority to both demand compliance and punish those who fail to follow common practices of decency. It is a shame to need to codify such. |
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I'm sorry to hear your friend died. Your driver is an ass. This will be addressed in the morning. Apparently a department wide spam is in order, as this is somehow seen as appropriate communique. I am both broken hearted and furious. By all means, teach them how to behave by sending a strongly worded email. Better yet, hold a formation and use a loud voice and strong words. Next time, you'll be the last to know. Then you'll bitch about that. Get a grip on yourself, Ranger. Grieve and move on. The sun rises tomorrow morning. I suppose that had you recieved a telegram about this in 1873, you'd be upset by that? No? Communications. They change. I've been texted about more than one death, including a suicide. I used those to get in front of the situation. Seriously. I'm glad I'm not the only one not seeing the big deal about it. Bad news, no doubt, but don't kill the messenger. |
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Sorry for your loss.
I got a VM from my brother’s GF [3 miles away]  . I’m glad I didn’t listen to it before the detectives came knocking. That is not news that you should just drop on someone cold.
Guys suggesting that texting is the same must have comfy lives. |
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I know, lol, that it seems funny to bitch folks out via e-mail.
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I'm sorry to hear your friend died. Your driver is an ass. This will be addressed in the morning. Apparently a department wide spam is in order, as this is somehow seen as appropriate communique. I am both broken hearted and furious. By all means, teach them how to behave by sending a strongly worded email. Better yet, hold a formation and use a loud voice and strong words. Next time, you'll be the last to know. Then you'll bitch about that. Get a grip on yourself, Ranger. Grieve and move on. The sun rises tomorrow morning. I suppose that had you recieved a telegram about this in 1873, you'd be upset by that? No? Communications. They change. I've been texted about more than one death, including a suicide. I used those to get in front of the situation. I will be addressing my crew and the outgoing one in the AM about this issue. We don't tell the media about the death of loved ones until they have been informed in person. And yes, it is in my scope of authority to both demand compliance and punish those who fail to follow common practices of decency. It is a shame to need to codify such. Common practices of decency. Nice. I'm going to leave this thread now. You go punish away. Leadership and reflections thereof. I'm sorry for your loss. |
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Nothing can be said on the terrible loss of your troop. If the concern was to deliver the information as quickly as possible, while simultaneously not interrupting one of your Powerpoint viewings, the kid has a point. I'd far rather receive terrible news via text than spend 5 minutes hacking into my voice mail system, only to hear the news there, or a call me right back it's urgent message I get 3 hours later. V/R, backbencher |
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Quoted: we are both off duty. CPT, Nothing can be said on the terrible loss of your troop. If the concern was to deliver the information as quickly as possible, while simultaneously not interrupting one of your Powerpoint viewings, the kid has a point. I'd far rather receive terrible news via text than spend 5 minutes hacking into my voice mail system, only to hear the news there, or a call me right back it's urgent message I get 3 hours later. V/R, backbencher If he suspected that I were in a sensitive position, would common courtesy not dictate later delivery of emotional message? |
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Quoted: +1Quoted: Quoted: I know, lol, that it seems funny to bitch folks out via e-mail. Quoted: Quoted: I'm sorry to hear your friend died. Your driver is an ass. This will be addressed in the morning. Apparently a department wide spam is in order, as this is somehow seen as appropriate communique. I am both broken hearted and furious. By all means, teach them how to behave by sending a strongly worded email. Better yet, hold a formation and use a loud voice and strong words. Next time, you'll be the last to know. Then you'll bitch about that. Get a grip on yourself, Ranger. Grieve and move on. The sun rises tomorrow morning. I suppose that had you recieved a telegram about this in 1873, you'd be upset by that? No? Communications. They change. I've been texted about more than one death, including a suicide. I used those to get in front of the situation. I will be addressing my crew and the outgoing one in the AM about this issue. We don't tell the media about the death of loved ones until they have been informed in person. And yes, it is in my scope of authority to both demand compliance and punish those who fail to follow common practices of decency. It is a shame to need to codify such. Common practices of decency. Nice. I'm going to leave this thread now. You go punish away. Leadership and reflections thereof. I'm sorry for your loss. I am SO damn glad that I am no longer subject to the self important musings and mean lectures from Company Grade Officers.
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Your username is oddly ironic considering your opinion.
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I know, lol, that it seems funny to bitch folks out via e-mail.
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I'm sorry to hear your friend died. Your driver is an ass. This will be addressed in the morning. Apparently a department wide spam is in order, as this is somehow seen as appropriate communique. I am both broken hearted and furious. By all means, teach them how to behave by sending a strongly worded email. Better yet, hold a formation and use a loud voice and strong words. Next time, you'll be the last to know. Then you'll bitch about that. Get a grip on yourself, Ranger. Grieve and move on. The sun rises tomorrow morning. I suppose that had you recieved a telegram about this in 1873, you'd be upset by that? No? Communications. They change. I've been texted about more than one death, including a suicide. I used those to get in front of the situation. I will be addressing my crew and the outgoing one in the AM about this issue. We don't tell the media about the death of loved ones until they have been informed in person. And yes, it is in my scope of authority to both demand compliance and punish those who fail to follow common practices of decency. It is a shame to need to codify such. Common practices of decency. Nice. I'm going to leave this thread now. You go punish away. Leadership and reflections thereof. I'm sorry for your loss. |
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Sorry for your loss man. I fucking hate texts. Today,while mine was going off, I was thinking I should just turn the feature off so no one can ever text me. I love Text, I dont want to have a conversation on the phone while I am work to find out my wife is stopping at Walmart on her way home. Text message means I can look at it whenever I get time, a phone call is an emergency. |
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I understand fully. I was on an FTX when a friend of mine in another platoon was killed. He was the first member of the company I met, getting me settled in my room and showing me the post during Christmas Exodus so we were close. Anyhow, a dickhead soldier comes up to me and says "Remember Mc? He died today". Dickhead Billy knew Mc and I were close. |
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Quoted: I understand fully. I was on an FTX when a friend of mine in another platoon was killed. He was the first member of the company I met, getting me settled in my room and showing me the post during Christmas Exodus so we were close. Anyhow, a dickhead soldier comes up to me and says "Remember Mc? He died today". Dickhead Billy knew Mc and I were close. Thank you, Keith. I only hope that someday I can be as respected as this man is. He is the measure that I hope to attain, yet know that I never will. |
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we are both off duty. If he suspected that I were in a sensitive position, would common courtesy not dictate later delivery of emotional message? For me, it's a generational thing. Many of my troops are 20 years younger and I wouldn't be surprised by anything they texted. Given the nature of the American family today I expect a goodly # of our troops don't understand the concept of common courtesy. Your troop found information that met one of your CCIRs & he transmitted it to you promptly via a reliable and rapid delivery method with an easy way to contact him should you require more information. How is your driver? Is he shook up? Does he need to see the chaplain? Do you need to see the chaplain? V/R, backbencher |
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Quoted: I see your point but text is the new phone. Most deaths i have found out about have been over the phone and others because i read the obits every morning. Sorry about your friend. Only for a certain group. I send about 30 texts per month. Do you enjoy the electronic voices and cues when trying to call a business? I prefer to speak to a live person in both professional and personal matters. |