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Posted: 10/18/2008 8:32:28 AM EDT
As almost an investment?  If Obama gets elected I can see the price of these things going way up and maybe even becoming hard to come by as the next few years goes by.  If you had the cash would you buy a bunch?


ETA 11-20-08

I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT!!!!  I could have easily sold them all for a profit!!
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:33:44 AM EDT
[#1]
why you will have to give them up when the ban hits..

remember 4473.. its all tracked..
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:36:34 AM EDT
[#2]
Why not? Build a bunch of different setups practice with a different one every day. You can always get your money back out of them. I highly doubt they are going to come and take them away from us, If they do put a friend behind all 10 or 15 of them with plenty of ammo.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:40:21 AM EDT
[#3]
I think ammo should be the priority.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:41:51 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
I think ammo should be the priority.


or componets! and reload..
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:42:25 AM EDT
[#5]
Maybe 4 or 5 and buy ammo with the rest.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:42:38 AM EDT
[#6]
i'd say

shoot lots and reload more.  don't stop till your supply hits 5 digits
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:43:02 AM EDT
[#7]
10-15 ???

That would make a shitty investment IMO.
Theres way too many ARs and theres no reason to believe, at this time, production is going to stop.

Buy rare shit. ARs are anything but.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:43:29 AM EDT
[#8]
My dad always told me there's two things you can't lose money on: tools and guns.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:43:36 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Maybe 4 or 5 and buy ammo with the rest.


That's my advice.

Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:44:15 AM EDT
[#10]
I'd rather buy 5 more. Three M4-type, one 20" and one 18".

Spend the rest of your funds on ammo and mags.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:46:00 AM EDT
[#11]
Actually, I'd buy some nice precision bolt rifles and high quality scopes with that money.

Bolt rifles are less likely to be taken away. I'd still get some AR15s though.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:52:58 AM EDT
[#12]
i`de buy some sort of .50BMG
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:53:59 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Actually, I'd buy some nice precision bolt rifles and high quality scopes with that money.

Bolt rifles are less likely to be taken away. I'd still get some AR15s though.

If you're the kind of person who is going to let them take away your AR15 then you're the same kind of guy who will not use his bolt rifle in anger, either.

If any of you are planning to turn your shit it when/if Uncle Obama requires it then at least have the decency to shut the fuck up about it. No need for your cowardice to lower everyone else's moral.

Taken away...Jesus.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:55:32 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I'd buy some nice precision bolt rifles and high quality scopes with that money.

Bolt rifles are less likely to be taken away. I'd still get some AR15s though.

If you're the kind of person who is going to let them take away your AR15 then you're the same kind of guy who will not use his bolt rifle in anger, either.

If any of you are planning to turn your shit it when/if Uncle Obama requires it then at least have the decency to shut the fuck up about it. No need for your cowardice to lower everyone else's moral.

Taken away...Jesus.



He lives in NJ
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:56:29 AM EDT
[#15]
I'd buy ammo, mags and boatloads of bolts, trigger groups, extractors, barrels and the like. Whatever wears out or breaks.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:58:16 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I'd buy ammo, mags and boatloads of bolts, trigger groups, extractors, barrels and the like. Whatever wears out or breaks.

This...I forgot to add spare parts to my list. LPKs, emergency parts kits from BM and spare bolts/carriers should be good.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:59:09 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I'd buy some nice precision bolt rifles and high quality scopes with that money.

Bolt rifles are less likely to be taken away. I'd still get some AR15s though.

If you're the kind of person who is going to let them take away your AR15 then you're the same kind of guy who will not use his bolt rifle in anger, either.

If any of you are planning to turn your shit it when/if Uncle Obama requires it then at least have the decency to shut the fuck up about it. No need for your cowardice to lower everyone else's moral.

Taken away...Jesus.



He lives in NJ


I was giving advice to the OP. My personal feelings aren't always CoC compliant.

New Jersey has nothing to do with it.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 8:59:34 AM EDT
[#18]
Yes,
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Then give two to me
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:01:41 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
why you will have to give them up when the ban hits..

remember 4473.. its all tracked..


80% lowers + parts and jigs to complete them
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:02:00 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
I was giving advice to the OP. My personal feelings aren't always CoC compliant.

New Jersey has nothing to do with it.

Glad to hear it.

We don't have to pound our e-chests for the world to see but we don't need to roll over and show our e-bellies, either.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:03:49 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
10-15 ???

That would make a shitty investment IMO.
Theres way too many ARs and theres no reason to believe, at this time, production is going to stop.

Buy rare shit. ARs are anything but.


IMHO, I agree with the above.

I just don't see AR15s, as prevalent as they are, increasing in value.

Buy ammunition. For investment firearms look to: WWII or earlier 1911s, old leverguns, old Colt SAAs, or pricier and rarer modern semi-auto rifles.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:23:49 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
I'd rather buy 5 more. Three M4-type, one 20" and one 18".

Spend the rest of your funds on ammo and mags.


+1 = this
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:32:27 AM EDT
[#23]
Ammo. NOW.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:37:26 AM EDT
[#24]
If you had 15 AR-15s it would take 450 rounds to load 1 30 round mag for each. Let's round that up to 500 rounds because I'm assuming you have AR15s already.

Now AIM has a 500rd can of US 5.56 for $170.

Unless you keep them as collector's guns, it would take $170 to keep them loaded with only 1 mag per rifle. I always keep mine loaded so I cannot afford this.

I can't afford to feed a family of 6 guns let alone 21.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:37:39 AM EDT
[#25]
Make sure you have plenty of spare parts on hand for all those rifles, as well as some extra barrels. If manufacturing of new AR rifles is banned, spare parts and barrels will likely also be banned.

However, I don't see any confiscatory type ban being passed. Fuck, they didn't even try that in California! It sure as hell isn't going to fly on a national basis. About the worst thing I see happening is the 1994 ban simply being reintroduced and passed. Evil features and hi-cap mags will be what they go after yet again. A complete ban on semi-autos also won't fly. Too many semi-auto hunting rifles out there. In California, you can still have M1As, Garands and Mini-14 rifles. I find it highly unlikely that we see any laws passed on the national level that exceed what has been passed in California, the most rabidly anti-gun state in the country.

While one should always be prepared, I think some people are working themselves into a frenzy and making things out to be far worse than they really are. Buy lotsa hi-cap mags, in case a new ban shoots the price of them through the roof like last time. And buy ammo. But I don't think it is yet necessary to start rushing out and buying dozens of rifles thinking you won't be able to get them later. Because even if a new ban is passed, you will likely still be able to get AR rifles. They may not have a bayonet lug, flash hider or telescoping stock. But in all likelihood, you'll still have access to newly manufactured ARs.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:39:05 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
why you will have to give them up when the ban hits..

remember 4473.. its all tracked..


Nobody can take anything away from you unless you freely give it to them.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:44:02 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Maybe 4 or 5 and buy ammo with the rest.


That's my advice.



This ^ and canine body armor.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:45:00 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
why you will have to give them up when the ban hits..

remember 4473.. its all tracked..


Nobody can take anything away from you unless you freely give it to them.


Yup and every one is a tough guy on the interwebs too..

Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:45:49 AM EDT
[#29]
Glock magazines had the biggest ROI last go around, at their peak some were going for $200 or so (10mm and 45acp mags), that's 10x increase.  AR's went up 2-3x.  

High capacity pistols mags would get you more return if another ban gets passed that allows posession of pre-ban mags

Say it's September 10, 1994.  you have $1000, at $20 a mag, that's 50 mags.  Say they go to $100, that's $5000

Say it's September 10, 1994, you buy a $1000 AR15 , it goes up to $2500.  That's a measly $1500 profit
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:46:24 AM EDT
[#30]
What happens when they ban the sale or transfer as they did in California?
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:46:45 AM EDT
[#31]
If I had $10k laying around, I'd spend it on training and ammo before I bought 15 rifles.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:47:36 AM EDT
[#32]
Wise? there are other firearm purchases that would be better investments.

But it looks damn cool with 15 AR's in a locker!
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:47:44 AM EDT
[#33]
Naw dawg. You gotz to diversify yo bonds.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:51:07 AM EDT
[#34]
NO, it will be a terrible investment.

When Obama gets elected the weapons will be banned and CONFISCATED.

You can only shoot one AR at a time, so you will only need 1.

Buy some spare mags and some ammo, and be ready to die for your freedom.

Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:54:49 AM EDT
[#35]
I'd rather have a few ARs and a bunch of ammo.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:56:44 AM EDT
[#36]
Buy a Barrett.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:57:19 AM EDT
[#37]
They will be worth more on the black market



Quoted:
What happens when they ban the sale or transfer as they did in California?
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 9:58:42 AM EDT
[#38]
Buy a couple face to face. They will never prove you have them. Stock up on ammo and mags. That is most likely what will be banned.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 10:04:50 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
why you will have to give them up when the ban hits..

remember 4473.. its all tracked..


Nobody can take anything away from you unless you freely give it to them.


Yup and every one is a tough guy on the interwebs too..


If "they" come to your home, knock on your door and say "Hello, sir. We're from the XYZ County Sheriffs Office. We're here to run a train on your wife" would you be an "Internet tough guy" for simply saying you would not comply?

There's no difference. No one here went into detail on how "I could never be killed, I'm the baddest of the bad and Charlie Bronson himself would piss the bed if I came calling".

We've simply stated that we will refuse to comply regarding gun confiscation.

If your plan is to comply then that is fine. However, as I already stated, do the rest of us a favor and keep your cowardice to yourself, sir.

You don't have to pound your chest and yell "Molon Labe!" every time the topic comes up...but you certainly shouldn't be supporting the concept of confiscation by implying that you intend to cooperate.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 10:10:39 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
Glock magazines had the biggest ROI last go around, at their peak some were going for $200 or so (10mm and 45acp mags), that's 10x increase.  AR's went up 2-3x.  

High capacity pistols mags would get you more return if another ban gets passed that allows posession of pre-ban mags

Say it's September 10, 1994.  you have $1000, at $20 a mag, that's 50 mags.  Say they go to $100, that's $5000

Say it's September 10, 1994, you buy a $1000 AR15 , it goes up to $2500.  That's a measly $1500 profit



They won't go up as much this time, because there is a LOT more stocked up and put away.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 10:31:01 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Glock magazines had the biggest ROI last go around, at their peak some were going for $200 or so (10mm and 45acp mags), that's 10x increase.  AR's went up 2-3x.  

High capacity pistols mags would get you more return if another ban gets passed that allows posession of pre-ban mags

Say it's September 10, 1994.  you have $1000, at $20 a mag, that's 50 mags.  Say they go to $100, that's $5000

Say it's September 10, 1994, you buy a $1000 AR15 , it goes up to $2500.  That's a measly $1500 profit



They won't go up as much this time, because there is a LOT more stocked up and put away.


Yep, you can forget about glock and AR mags having any ROI.
Same goes for ARs and even stripped lowers. No ROI to speak of.
That doesn't mean don't have a stash, but I wouldn't "invest" there beyond my own needs.

Get smart. Buy mags for new shit.
The XD? Hasn't existed that long, less mags existing. Buy those.
The MSAR Aug clone, buy mags for that. Buy the bullpup too, more than likely will offer a better ROI than any AR.

Think different, because you are NOT going to see the same issues this go round.
Theres been a FLOOD of shit since the AWB expired, and hell, production of stuff never ceased during the ban either... so there really is a glut of it out there.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 10:38:20 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Glock magazines had the biggest ROI last go around, at their peak some were going for $200 or so (10mm and 45acp mags), that's 10x increase.  AR's went up 2-3x.  

High capacity pistols mags would get you more return if another ban gets passed that allows posession of pre-ban mags

Say it's September 10, 1994.  you have $1000, at $20 a mag, that's 50 mags.  Say they go to $100, that's $5000

Say it's September 10, 1994, you buy a $1000 AR15 , it goes up to $2500.  That's a measly $1500 profit



They won't go up as much this time, because there is a LOT more stocked up and put away.


I beg to differ somewhat.   I lived thru the 1994-2004 AWB, I bought a bunch of hicaps, hoarded them.

As prices went up and up, I felt smug, thought about selling the extra mags for a profit.
Then I realized, if I sell these, I can't buy them back at the same price I just sold them fore, they'll be more expensive in the future.

I bought cheapie 10 rd mags so I wouldn't wear out my now expensive hi-caps.

I wanted a Glock 23 during the ban, price of the pistol was the same, but it came with 10 rd mags, I wanted some high caps to go with it so I shelled out $50-65 each for 4 total. I just ended up using the 10 rd mags that came with the gun.

5 years from now there'll be a bunch of now 16 year olds turning 21 years old and buying their first pistols (hopefully), they'll want high cap mags for their pistols.

Every year after that high cap mag demand will grow and grow
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 10:40:38 AM EDT
[#43]
I would only buy them if I could afford to buy 5k of ammo for each and at least 50 PMAGs for each. Oh and Eotechs,Aimpoints, and ACOG's.

I wouldn't sell them.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 11:06:09 AM EDT
[#44]
No, as I do not see firearms as an investment but as tools, and as such it would be better to own a variet of assault weapons chambered in a variety of calibers (5.56, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, etc), plus some shotguns, and pistols, and at least one sniper rifle.  You never know what kind of ammo would be available in a SHTF situation, and if you come across a crate of ammo when you run dry and see Russian written on the side, and you only own Ar15's, you are SOL.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 11:23:34 AM EDT
[#45]
not worth it IMO


it wont be easy getting rid of them later when the gun laws are stricter

you dont want to get stuck with 15 AR's you will probably will never use
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 11:26:46 AM EDT
[#46]
How about one and you SBR and suppress it? Then spend the rest on ammo.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 11:45:25 AM EDT
[#47]
Two is one and one is none.  How many marksman in your family?  Just me and the wife, so we have 2 AR-15s (one more would be good I'll admit).  However, if the SHTF, I'll be going with my CETME (have 2) and the wife will man the AR-15.  Thus, the lack of an "extra" AR-15 isn't that much of an issue for me.  

Nice to have extra parts lying around too.  But if you're in a firefight, it's quicker to get an extra rifle into action than trying to install a pin, spring, etc.

ETA:  2 AR-15s per marksman would be good.  And get some extra parts kit and stock up on ammo/mags.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 11:53:33 AM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
why you will have to give them up when the ban hits..

remember 4473.. its all tracked..


Nobody can take anything away from you unless you freely give it to them.


Yup and every one is a tough guy on the interwebs too..



Whatever.
I know what I will do and from your post its obvious what you will do.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 11:57:15 AM EDT
[#49]
I think if you are looking to "invest" your money, there are far better ways to do so than in firearms. Right now you would be better off having cash in the bank than 15 complete firearms stuffed in your closet.

Have your firearms, and have whatever you deem enough ammo, but I wouldn't go overboard on the rifles.
Link Posted: 10/18/2008 12:00:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Good investment IF Obama wins.
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