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Posted: 10/29/2004 4:20:26 AM EST
If Kerry wins, it will say a lot of bad things about the people of this nation.

That said, there would be some bright sides:

- Since the Congress will still be controlled by the Republicans, the chance of him enacting his socialist policies would be very low,

- Unless Kerry is a complete and utter failure to the point of not running for re-election, Hillary would be out of the running in '08

These would be a couple of mitigating factors in an otherwise dismal event in U.S. history. Any others?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:23:36 AM EST
If sKerry wins, the people of this country get what they deserve. Things are getting so fucked up around here that maybe a good TEOTWAWKI would be a good thing so we could rebuild from scratch.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:27:40 AM EST
- The Iraq situation will be his to clean up as CIC.
- The continued manufacturing decline will be placed on his shoulders
- The tax increases he will purpose will verify his tax & spend reputation
- The voters who put him in will be incredibly dissapointed as he gradually informs them of the impossiblity of their expectations.
- All the skeletons suppressed by the campain and the pro Kerry media will come out

THE BIGGEST DANGER OF A KERRY ADMIN IS SCOTUS JUDGES. Otherwise, it's merely a return to the Clinton era.

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:31:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By kill-9:
If Kerry wins, it will say a lot of bad things about the people of this nation.

That said, there would be some bright sides:

- Since the Congress will still be controlled by the Republicans, the chance of him enacting his socialist policies would be very low,

- Unless Kerry is a complete and utter failure to the point of not running for re-election, Hillary would be out of the running in '08

These would be a couple of mitigating factors in an otherwise dismal event in U.S. history. Any others?


But Kerry would be the one who decides the ideological shape of the Supreme Court.

With such Gridlock, the new LAWS will come from decisions made from the bench, NOT Congress.

Is this what we want?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:32:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
THE BIGGEST DANGER OF A KERRY ADMIN IS SCOTUS JUDGES.



Two words: Senate confirmation.

I think the biggest risk is emboldening the terrorists by allowing them to think that they had a hand in the election.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:35:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By kill-9:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
THE BIGGEST DANGER OF A KERRY ADMIN IS SCOTUS JUDGES.



Two words: Senate confirmation.

quote]

The dems screw us on confermations all the time. It will be our turn.

This is all conjecture though..cause Bush will win
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:35:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Is this what we want?



Of course not. I said repeatedly that electing Kerry WOULD BE BAD. But there is a real chance that he will win, and if he does I'm going to remember the silver linings.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:35:52 AM EST
There is no silver lining folks. If he wins, we just lost the war. And he will get his liberal judges thru the Senate, Clinton did. And his director of BATFE will screw us, Clinton's did. And his attorney general will screw us, Clinton's did.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:37:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
- The Iraq situation will be his to clean up as CIC.
- The continued manufacturing decline will be placed on his shoulders
- The tax increases he will purpose will verify his tax & spend reputation
- The voters who put him in will be incredibly dissapointed as he gradually informs them of the impossiblity of their expectations.
- All the skeletons suppressed by the campain and the pro Kerry media will come out

THE BIGGEST DANGER OF A KERRY ADMIN IS SCOTUS JUDGES. Otherwise, it's merely a return to the Clinton era.




what happened to the intern he was banging that dissapeared to south africa?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:39:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By 2whiskeyP:
If sKerry wins, the people of this country get what they deserve. Things are getting so fucked up around here that maybe a good TEOTWAWKI would be a good thing so we could rebuild from scratch.



Rebuild on the original constitution, which is shredded daily by our government and courts.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:41:06 AM EST
i can't see any anti legislation making it through congress, but the supreme court is getting mighty old.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:42:34 AM EST
A USA Today story yesterday mentioned that Kerry would have to consider raising the highest marginal income tax rate to 50% (!) to fulfill his deficit reduction promise.

You know all those liberals who say "I'm moving out of the country if Bush wins?" Well, this is the type of thing that would make ME go. No way I'm giving half my income to the feddle gubmint.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:44:34 AM EST
another silver lining is gun and ammo sellers will make $ hand over fist
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:44:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
- The Iraq situation will be his to clean up as CIC.
- The continued manufacturing decline will be placed on his shoulders
- The tax increases he will purpose will verify his tax & spend reputation
- The voters who put him in will be incredibly dissapointed as he gradually informs them of the impossiblity of their expectations.
- All the skeletons suppressed by the campain and the pro Kerry media will come out

THE BIGGEST DANGER OF A KERRY ADMIN IS SCOTUS JUDGES. Otherwise, it's merely a return to the Clinton era.




Wrong
The Iraq sit. will be blamed on bush if it fails, and will be his (kerry) glory if we succede
The mfg decline is bushes fault and will alwsy be now, and 90 years into the future
The tax increases will be be blamed on bush and how he needs more money to fix what bush broke
The promises he makes now cannot be made true because bush/repbublicans are blocking him- not because he overpromised
The skeletons wont matter then
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:51:41 AM EST
Does "silver linings" improve accuracy???

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:52:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By dmaas:
A USA Today story yesterday mentioned that Kerry would have to consider raising the highest marginal income tax rate to 50% (!) to fulfill his deficit reduction promise.

You know all those liberals who say "I'm moving out of the country if Bush wins?" Well, this is the type of thing that would make ME go. No way I'm giving half my income to the feddle gubmint.



Where exactly are you going to go that is more free than the U.S.?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:57:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
- The Iraq situation will be his to clean up as CIC.
- The continued manufacturing decline will be placed on his shoulders
- The tax increases he will purpose will verify his tax & spend reputation
- The voters who put him in will be incredibly dissapointed as he gradually informs them of the impossiblity of their expectations.
- All the skeletons suppressed by the campain and the pro Kerry media will come out





And the Libs will blame W for ALL of these things. Bet on it.

CMOS
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:02:02 AM EST
The biggest silver lining will be that we can bitch even more about how the Dems are screwing gun owners.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:07:37 AM EST
He'll sign the treaty with the U.N. banning firearm ownership by citizens of the U.S.

Massive non-compliance will cause the U.N. "Blue-helmets" to go door-to-door in
an attempt to confisacate registered firearms.

Thousands will die- all of them wearing Blue helmets....

That law will fail, but will lead us into 25 year revolution against the U.N.
controlled Federal Gov't.....

Then the Anti-Christ will reveal himself:

John Kerry will declare the HE is God!



Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:08:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
There is no silver lining folks. If he wins, we just lost the war. And he will get his liberal judges thru the Senate, Clinton did. And his director of BATFE will screw us, Clinton's did. And his attorney general will screw us, Clinton's did.

GunLvr



yup
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:13:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Otherwise, it's merely a return to the Clinton era.




You say that like it's no big deal.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:19:30 AM EST
If Kerry wins and Hillary fails to have him "suicided" she will be pretty much out of luck as a candidate for president. I believe she is in her late 50's right now. It doesn't rule her out, but it puts her way down the road.

Whether we can maintain a majority in the house and senate is anyone's guess. The senate has turned on us anyway. The congress is the only government body that still loosely conforms to the bill of rights. I thought klinton was unbearable, but I think Kerry has him beat. Our primary concern as I see it is George Soros. Kerry is just a liberal puppet. Soros is the power behind him.

On the good side, this site will increase in size, the far right will become larger and more influential and we will be that much closer to secession.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:21:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 5:25:37 AM EST by KBL]
At the risk of sounding like an alarmist, I think that the conditions around the world right now are such that without a strong leader in the White House, there could be a true SHTF scenario that could develop in a very short time.

The Europeans (with the exception of England) have gone from allies back to their more traditional roles as weak appeasers who are more interested in their individual profits and well being than they are in the true security of the world. The whole lot of them have adopted the French nationalist attitude of we only care what's good for us.

We now have a real threat to US and world security in the form of radical, fanatic Islam. A threat that is increasingly well armed and trained and has demonstrated a willingness to use whatever means they have at their disposal to murder innocent civilians around the world. Appeasment won't work with these people. Pseudo alliances with countries that have expressed a clear disdain for effective action won't work with these people. Turning the problem over to a corrupt UN won't do anything but encourage these people.

And speaking of the UN, what has always been an ineffectual orginization, is now an openly hostile anti-US organization. There are only two goals evident in the UN's actions. The use of the organization to pad the pockets of it's corrupt third world leaders and to band together against the United States in an attempt to reduce us to their level from where we will no longer have the moral and ethical authority to oppose them.

And off most peoples radar right now are the Chinese. The Chinese have gone from being backward Communist idealogs, to free market opportunists with an increasingly large military. The Chinese are constantly looking for weakness in the US and will capitalize on any opportunities that are offered to them. One need only look to the corrupt Clinton White House and the campaign money for nuclear secrets/missle technology scandal. Imagine what Kerry - a known Communist collaborator - would do if elected. After Kerry finishes in gutting the US military, the Chinese will begin testing US resolve...beginning with Taiwan. The Taiwanese might as well bend over and kiss their asses goodbye November 3'd if Kerry is elected. And that's likely to be just the beginning with China.

So where's the silver lining? All I see is a decline in US power, strength and influence and a significantly more dangerous world situation. Winning some points by Kerry inevitably proving us correct about him is hardly worth what the US would stand to lose.

This is a critical juncture in history. The US, and the world, couldn't stand a Kerry presidency.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:21:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
THE BIGGEST DANGER OF A KERRY ADMIN IS SCOTUS JUDGES.



Two words: Senate confirmation.

I think the biggest risk is emboldening the terrorists by allowing them to think that they had a hand in the election.



My greatest fear would be the Repubs bend when the socialist democRats are screaming and yelling at everyone.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:22:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By dmaas:
A USA Today story yesterday mentioned that Kerry would have to consider raising the highest marginal income tax rate to 50% (!) to fulfill his deficit reduction promise.

You know all those liberals who say "I'm moving out of the country if Bush wins?" Well, this is the type of thing that would make ME go. No way I'm giving half my income to the feddle gubmint.



Where exactly are you going to go that is more free than the U.S.?



I'm not going anywhere, I'll stand and fight right here. BUT,

There are many places that are quite a bit more "free" than the US, depending on your definition of course, what do you want to be free to do?

Tax rates are quite a bit lower in Eurasia, from Russia 10% flat tax on what little is above ground, to the former satellites into Asia itself. The average Asian outside of Japan and red China is astonished at the rules and regulations in the US, there's very little in the way of business regulation, permits, or even traffic laws in say Thailand or the Philipines, you don't get ticketed for not wearing your seatbelt in Vietnam.
There are places in Africa and South America where there really is no government, of course there's no civilization either but that's beside the point.

Full auto and aparently RPGs as well are available cash and carry throughout the middle east.

In some of the central american states, Belize comes to mind, the rules are negotiable depending on how much money you're bringing into the country, there are places where they'll wave all taxation for a decade or give you very low rates forever if you're willing to hire a few citizens.

Argentina has it's advantages too, particularly for a man of moderate means who wants to try some gentleman farming.

How free can you afford to be?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:22:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By 2whiskeyP:
If sKerry wins, the people of this country get what they deserve. Things are getting so fucked up around here that maybe a good TEOTWAWKI would be a good thing so we could rebuild from scratch.




I must agree. I don't like it, but if sKerry wins, then we deserve what we get.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:32:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By 2whiskeyP:
If sKerry wins, the people of this country get what they deserve. Things are getting so fucked up around here that maybe a good TEOTWAWKI would be a good thing so we could rebuild from scratch.




I must agree. I don't like it, but if sKerry wins, then we deserve what we get.



+1
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:40:20 AM EST
Only silver lining I can think of is: if you're a terrorist, you'll have better job security and a better benefits package. Probably hard to get life insurance and disability now while Bush is running the nation. If Kerry gets elected, terrorists will only have a hard time getting coverage if they are smokers.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:13:03 AM EST

My greatest fear would be the Repubs bend when the socialist democRats are screaming and yelling at everyone.


Too late. They already do. Todays Republicans are just yesterdays Democrats. As the Democratic Party moves further to the radical left, the Republican Party insists on chasing them &, itself, becoming that much more liberal, witness Guilani, Schwartzenegger, McCain, et al, all RINOs. Are there any true conservatives left in the Republican Party?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:39:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By HKocher:
Only silver lining I can think of is: if you're a terrorist, you'll have better job security and a better benefits package. Probably hard to get life insurance and disability now while Bush is running the nation. If Kerry gets elected, terrorists will only have a hard time getting coverage if they are smokers.





If Kerry wins, the terrorists will all be getting FREE national helthcare.
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