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Posted: 9/14/2005 11:26:31 AM EDT
I don't have an FFL or a C&R license. The guy I'm shipping to does have a C&R license. I'm in Texas and he's in CA. The rifle is a original M1 Carbine (on the C&R list) . This below info from Gunbroker says I can ship a rifle to a FFL dealer, but doesn't mention if that also covers a me shipping to a guy with a C&R license.



Overview
This page provides information about Federal Laws, step that must be followed, and notes on using specific shippers when shipping firearms. This page is oriented toward the seller of an item. If you need information about how to buy a firearm through GunBroker.com, please refer to our Buyer's Tutorial.
This page contains information oriented toward persons shipping firearms within the United States. For sellers located outside the United States, please see our Import / Export Page.


Shipping Legalities
Federal Law requires that all modern firearms be shipped only to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License (FFL). The recipient must be have an FFL; however the sender is not required to have one. Any person who is legally allowed to own a firearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legal purpose (including sale or resale).
Here is exactly what the ATF 'Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide' (ATF P 5300.4) says:
(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service? [Back]
A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.

'Antique' firearms need not be shipped to a licensed dealer. These can be shipped directly to the buyer. An antique firearm is a firearm built in or before 1898, or a replica thereof. The exact ATF definition of an antique firearm is:
Antique firearm. (a) Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and (b) any replica of any firearm described in paragraph (a) of this definition if such replica (1) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (2) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

Knives, air guns, accessories, and most gun parts need not be shipped to an FFL holder. We say most gun parts because each firearm contains at least one part that the ATF considers a firearm. This part is typically the part that contains the serial number. This part must be treated as a complete firearm when shipping the item.

Ammunition must be clearly identified as 'Small Arms Ammunition' on the outside of the box. Some shippers treat ammunition as dangerous or hazardous materials.

The section of the US Code that governs modern firearms is called Commerce in Firearms and Ammunition (CFA). This code is available online at: www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/27cfr178.html

When in doubt, we suggest arranging for transfer through a licensed dealer. Violation of the CFA is a felony and penalties for violation of it are severe.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:34:14 AM EDT
If the gun is a C&R and he has a C&R license, *you* can ship it to him.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:34:42 AM EDT
Yes, you can. Have him send you a copy of his license, signed in ink. Box up the rifle really well, but do not tape it. Include no ammunition.
Take it to the post office and ask to speak to the postmaster, maintaining a low profile. Tell him quietly what you have. Show him the license, show him it is unloaded, and have him tape it up and send it out.

Often they think they cannot send it; have him look it up or call headquarters.

Larry
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:37:07 AM EDT
Warning

You cannot ship him a magazine over 10 Rounds… NO USGI magazines not to CA.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:39:21 AM EDT
Yes you can ship the rifle to a Cruffler, but as has been pointed out already stock M1 Carbine mags cannot be shipped legally to Cali because they hold more than 10 rounds.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:42:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ohio:
Yes, you can. Have him send you a copy of his license, signed in ink. Box up the rifle really well, but do not tape it. Include no ammunition.
Take it to the post office and ask to speak to the postmaster, maintaining a low profile. Tell him quietly what you have. Show him the license, show him it is unloaded, and have him tape it up and send it out.

Often they think they cannot send it; have him look it up or call headquarters.

Larry




there's absolutely no need to declare the contents of the package, why ask for trouble?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:43:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Yes you can ship the rifle to a Cruffler, but as has been pointed out already stock M1 Carbine mags cannot be shipped legally to Cali because they hold more than 10 rounds.



And it can't be a folding stock model.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:44:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:45:51 AM EDT by TacticalStrat]

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By Ohio:
Yes, you can. Have him send you a copy of his license, signed in ink. Box up the rifle really well, but do not tape it. Include no ammunition.
Take it to the post office and ask to speak to the postmaster, maintaining a low profile. Tell him quietly what you have. Show him the license, show him it is unloaded, and have him tape it up and send it out.

Often they think they cannot send it; have him look it up or call headquarters.

Larry




there's absolutely no need to declare the contents of the package, why ask for trouble?




The law says you must notify the carrier that it's a firearm


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:47:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:48:04 AM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By Ohio:
Yes, you can. Have him send you a copy of his license, signed in ink. Box up the rifle really well, but do not tape it. Include no ammunition.
Take it to the post office and ask to speak to the postmaster, maintaining a low profile. Tell him quietly what you have. Show him the license, show him it is unloaded, and have him tape it up and send it out.

Often they think they cannot send it; have him look it up or call headquarters.

Larry




there's absolutely no need to declare the contents of the package, why ask for trouble?




The law says you must notify the carrier that it's a rifle.





Interpretations differ.


Because postal regularions CLEARLY STATE the the postmaster/post office has to be allowed to INSPECT the rifle (to make sure it is unloaded, among other things), I believe it is clearly implied that you must inform them.

However - the regulation doesn't specifically state that you have to inform them, and since we all know post masters have mind-reading abilities and x-ray vision, people will claim that it means you do not have to inform them.

I personally DO inform the, since I believe that is what the postal regulations clearly imply - but it doesn't keep me awake at night if people don't.


IBTRW (In Before The RikWriter )
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:50:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By Ohio:
Yes, you can. Have him send you a copy of his license, signed in ink. Box up the rifle really well, but do not tape it. Include no ammunition.
Take it to the post office and ask to speak to the postmaster, maintaining a low profile. Tell him quietly what you have. Show him the license, show him it is unloaded, and have him tape it up and send it out.

Often they think they cannot send it; have him look it up or call headquarters.

Larry




there's absolutely no need to declare the contents of the package, why ask for trouble?




The law says you must notify the carrier that it's a firearm


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]



and that's from the incorrect ATF faq... this has been hashed out here before, ask jrzy.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:50:33 AM EDT
Magazine "parts" only.



Friggen amauters.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:59:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 12:25:24 PM EDT by rkbar15]
Unless you are a C&R licensee you cannot legally ship a rifle interstate to a C&R licensee.

See DK-Profs' post.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:02:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By Ohio:
Yes, you can. Have him send you a copy of his license, signed in ink. Box up the rifle really well, but do not tape it. Include no ammunition.
Take it to the post office and ask to speak to the postmaster, maintaining a low profile. Tell him quietly what you have. Show him the license, show him it is unloaded, and have him tape it up and send it out.

Often they think they cannot send it; have him look it up or call headquarters.

Larry




there's absolutely no need to declare the contents of the package, why ask for trouble?




The law says you must notify the carrier that it's a firearm


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]



and that's from the incorrect ATF faq... this has been hashed out here before, ask jrzy.




Plain as day on the ATF webpage:

Link


B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? [Back]


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be
used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract
carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:03:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By Ohio:
Yes, you can. Have him send you a copy of his license, signed in ink. Box up the rifle really well, but do not tape it. Include no ammunition.
Take it to the post office and ask to speak to the postmaster, maintaining a low profile. Tell him quietly what you have. Show him the license, show him it is unloaded, and have him tape it up and send it out.

Often they think they cannot send it; have him look it up or call headquarters.

Larry




there's absolutely no need to declare the contents of the package, why ask for trouble?




The law says you must notify the carrier that it's a firearm


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]



and that's from the incorrect ATF faq... this has been hashed out here before, ask jrzy.




Plain as day on the ATF webpage:

Link


B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? [Back]


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be
used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract
carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]




lol, and ATF has admitted that the FAQ on their website is incorrect... go read the code and get back to me.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:03:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By cduarte:

Originally Posted By Ohio:
Yes, you can. Have him send you a copy of his license, signed in ink. Box up the rifle really well, but do not tape it. Include no ammunition.
Take it to the post office and ask to speak to the postmaster, maintaining a low profile. Tell him quietly what you have. Show him the license, show him it is unloaded, and have him tape it up and send it out.

Often they think they cannot send it; have him look it up or call headquarters.

Larry




there's absolutely no need to declare the contents of the package, why ask for trouble?




The law says you must notify the carrier that it's a firearm


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]



and that's from the incorrect ATF faq... this has been hashed out here before, ask jrzy.




Plain as day on the ATF webpage:

Link


B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? [Back]


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be
used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract
carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]





That refers to a COMMON CARRIER, not the USPS.

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:05:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Unless you are a C&R licensee you cannot legally ship a rifle interstate to a C&R licensee.



I'm getting too many varying answers. Can someone provide a link to the specific info on the ATF webpage that covers this. I can't find it. Here's what I need to know. If the guy sends me a signed copy of his C&R license, can I ship him the rifle to the address on the C&R license? Again, he's in CA and I'm in Texas. I do not have a C&R or a FFL.

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:09:37 PM EDT
OK, I think I found it. See B16 below directly from the ATF web page under "unlicensed persons". I believe that says I can ship a curio/relic to a "license collector". Thoughts????

Link to ATF FAQ

B. UNLICENSED PERSONS


(B1) To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA? [Back]


A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his or her state, if the buyer is not prohibited by law from receiving or possessing a firearm, or to a licensee in any state. A firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector. [18 U. S. C 922( a)( 3) and (5), 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.29]



(B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? [Back]


A person may only buy a firearm within the person's own state, except that he or she may buy a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any state, provided the sale complies with state laws applicable in the state of sale and the state where the purchaser resides. [18 U. S. C 922( a)( 3) and (5), 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.29]



(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-state source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the
purchaser's own state? [Back]


A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-state source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's state of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer. [18 U. S. C 922( a)( 3) and (5), 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.29]


(B4) May an unlicensed person obtain ammunition from an out-of-state source? [Back]


Yes, provided he or she is not a person prohibited from receiving firearms and ammunition. [18 U. S. C. 922( g) and (n)]



(B5) Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition? [Back]


Yes, a person who –

(1) Has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year;
(2) Is a fugitive from justice;
(3) Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
(4) Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution;
(5) Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United states or an alien admitted to the United states under a nonimmigrant visa;
(6) Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
(7) Having been a citizen of the United states, has renounced his or her 8 citizenship;
(8) Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner; or
(9) Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm. A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year cannot lawfully receive a firearm. Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information. [18 U. S. C. 922( g) and (n), 27 CFR 178.32( a) and (b)]


(B6) Do law enforcement officers who are subject to restraining orders and who receive and possess firearms for purposes of carrying out their official duties violate the law? [Back]


Not if the firearms are received and possessed for official use only. The law prohibits persons subject to certain restraining orders from receiving, shipping, transporting or possessing firearms or ammunition. To be disabling, the restraining order must:


1. specifically restrain the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an "intimate partner" of the person (e. g., spouse);
2. be issued after a hearing of which notice was given to the person and at which the person had an opportunity to participate; and
3. include a finding that the person subject to the order represents a credible threat to the "intimate partner" or child of the "intimate partner" OR explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of force against the partner.

However, the GCA has an exception for the receipt and possession of firearms and ammunition on behalf of a Federal or state agency. Therefore, the GCA does not prohibit a law enforcement officer under a restraining order from receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition for use in performing official duties. Possession of the firearm off duty would be lawful if such possession is authorized by the officer's department. An officer subject to a disabling restraining order would violate the law if the officer received or possessed a firearm or ammunition for other than official use. (See Question Q15 on officers' receipt and possession of firearms and ammunition after a conviction of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.) [18 U. S. C. 922( g)( 8), 925( a)( 1)]



(B7) May a nonlicensee transport firearms for sporting or other lawful purposes? [Back]


Yes. Federal law provides a person, who is not prohibited by the GCA from receiving or transporting firearms, the right to transport a firearm under certain conditions, notwithstanding state or local law to the contrary. The firearms must be unloaded and in a locked trunk or, in a vehicle lacking a trunk, in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Also, the carrying and possession must be lawful at the place of origin and destination. [18 U. S. C. 926A, 27 CFR 178.38] 9



(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service? [Back]


A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.


(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? [Back]


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be
used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract
carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]



(B10) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? [Back]


Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.


(B11) May a person who is relocating out-of-state move firearms with other household goods? [Back]


Yes. A person who lawfully possesses a firearm may transport or ship the firearm interstate when changing his or her state of residence. Certain NFA firearms must have prior approval from the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch, Washington, DC 20226, before they may be moved interstate. The person must notify the mover that firearms are being transported. He or she should also check state and local laws where relocating to ensure that movement of firearms into the new state does not violate any state law or local ordinance. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 4), 27 CFR 178.28 and 178.31]


(B12) What constitutes residency in a state? [Back]

The state of residence is the state in which an individual is present with the intention of making a home in that state. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of the state in which his or her permanent duty station is located. If a member of the Armed Forces maintains a home in one state and the member's permanent duty station is in a nearby state to which he or she commutes each day, then the member may purchase a firearm in either the state where the duty station is located or the state where the home is maintained. An alien who is legally in the United states is considered to be a resident of a state only if the alien is residing in that state and has resided in that state continuously for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale of the firearm. [18 U. S. C. 921( b) and 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.11]


(B13) May a person who resides in one state and owns property in another state purchase a handgun in either state? [Back]

If a person maintains a home in 2 states and resides in both states for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the period of time the person actually resides in a particular state, purchase a handgun in that state. But simply owning property in another state does not qualify the person to purchase a handgun in that state.


(B14) May foreign visitors and other aliens legally in the United states buy firearms? [Back]


An alien legally in the United states who has been admitted into the country under a nonimmigrant visa is generally prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms and a licensee may not lawfully transfer firearms to such alien. In addition, a foreign visitor is not a resident of a state and, therefore, may not purchase and take delivery of a firearm in the United states. A foreign visitor may purchase a firearm and have it exported by a licensee. The licensee must obtain an export license from the State Department for this type of transaction.


In addition, an alien legally in the United states would have a state of residence and may acquire firearms in that state only if he or she is residing
in that state and has resided in that state continuously for at least 90 days prior to the purchase. Aliens acquiring firearms from licensees are required
to prove their identity and residency by presenting government-issued photo identification and substantiating documentation showing that he or she has
resided in the state continuously for the 90-day period, for example, utility bills, lease agreements, credit card statements, pay stubs or other documents
from the purchaser's place of employment. [18 U. S. C. 921, 922( b)( 3), (d), (g), 27 CFR 178.11, 178.99( a)]


(B15) May a parent or guardian purchase firearms or ammunition as a gift for a juvenile (less than 18 years of age)? [Back]


Yes. However, possession of handguns by juveniles (less than 18 years of age) is generally unlawful. Juveniles may only receive and possess handguns with the written permission of a parent or guardian for limited purposes, e. g., employment, ranching, farming, target practice or hunting. [18 U. S. C. 922( x)]


(B16) Are curio or relic firearms exempt from the provisions of the GCA? [Back]

No. Curios or relics are still firearms subject to the provisions of the GCA; however, curio or relic firearms may be transferred in interstate commerce to licensed collectors or other licensees.


(B17) What recordkeeping procedures should be followed when two private individuals want to engage in a firearms transaction? [Back]

When a transaction takes place between private (unlicensed) persons who reside in the same State, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping. As noted in FAQs B1 and B2, which are posted on this Web site in the "Firearms" section, a private person may sell a firearm to another private individual in his or her State of residence and, similarly, a private individual may buy a firearm from another private person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are "same-State" residents. Of course, the transferor/seller may not knowingly transfer a firearm to someone who falls within any of the categories of prohibited persons contained in the GCA. See 18 U.S. C. §§ 922(g) and (n). However, as stated above, there are no GCA-required records to be completed by either party to the transfer.

For information about any State or local regulations that may govern this type of transaction, it is advisable to contact State Police units or the office of your State Attorney General.

Please note that if a private person wants to obtain a gun from a private person who resides in another State, the gun will have to be shipped to an FFL in the buyer's State. The FFL will be responsible for record keeping. See FAQ B3 (Firearms).


Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:14:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 12:19:05 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Unless you are a C&R licensee you cannot legally ship a rifle interstate to a C&R licensee.



I'm getting too many varying answers. Can someone provide a link to the specific info on the ATF webpage that covers this. I can't find it. Here's what I need to know. If the guy sends me a signed copy of his C&R license, can I ship him the rifle to the address on the C&R license? Again, he's in CA and I'm in Texas. I do not have a C&R or a FFL.




The answer is a clear and unambiguous YES.

You, as a private citizen can send a C&R firearm to a holder of a C&R FFL. You can ship the rifle yoursdelf (through USPS or UPS/FedEx) and it must be shipped to the address on his FFL (which is almost certainly going to be his house/residency).

That's the entire purpose of having a C&R FFL license - so that people can ship C&R firearms to your house.



Sorry I didn't provide a link, but I've had a C&R FFL for many years, and I am very famliar with the rules (The ATF is kind enough to send you all the thick books with all the laws )

ETA: The disagreement of whether you have to tell the post office is jsut a technical argument about HOW to ship it, but separate from the legal question of whether or not you can. You are good to go from the legal perspective of shiping directly to a C&R FFL's address.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:18:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Unless you are a C&R licensee you cannot legally ship a rifle interstate to a C&R licensee.



I'm getting too many varying answers. Can someone provide a link to the specific info on the ATF webpage that covers this. I can't find it. Here's what I need to know. If the guy sends me a signed copy of his C&R license, can I ship him the rifle to the address on the C&R license? Again, he's in CA and I'm in Texas. I do not have a C&R or a FFL.




The answer is a clear and unambiguous YES.

You, as a private citizen can send a C&R firearm to a holder of a C&R FFL. You can ship the rifle yoursdelf (through USPS or UPS/FedEx) and it must be shipped to the address on his FFL (which is almost certainly going to be his house/residency).

That's the entire purpose of having a C&R FFL license - so that people can ship C&R firearms to your house.



Sorry I didn't provide a link, but I've had a C&R FFL for many years, and I am very famliar with the rules (The ATF is kind enough to send you all the thick books with all the laws )




Many thanks!!!
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:19:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Unless you are a C&R licensee you cannot legally ship a rifle interstate to a C&R licensee.



Not true.

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 12:21:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 12:26:18 PM EDT by rkbar15]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Unless you are a C&R licensee you cannot legally ship a rifle interstate to a C&R licensee.



I'm getting too many varying answers. Can someone provide a link to the specific info on the ATF webpage that covers this. I can't find it. Here's what I need to know. If the guy sends me a signed copy of his C&R license, can I ship him the rifle to the address on the C&R license? Again, he's in CA and I'm in Texas. I do not have a C&R or a FFL.




The answer is a clear and unambiguous YES.

You, as a private citizen can send a C&R firearm to a holder of a C&R FFL. You can ship the rifle yoursdelf (through USPS or UPS/FedEx) and it must be shipped to the address on his FFL (which is almost certainly going to be his house/residency).

That's the entire purpose of having a C&R FFL license - so that people can ship C&R firearms to your house.



Sorry I didn't provide a link, but I've had a C&R FFL for many years, and I am very famliar with the rules (The ATF is kind enough to send you all the thick books with all the laws )

ETA: The disagreement of whether you have to tell the post office is jsut a technical argument about HOW to ship it, but separate from the legal question of whether or not you can. You are good to go from the legal perspective of shiping directly to a C&R FFL's address.



Thanks for the correction. I misspoke. I was looking at the wrong regulation.
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